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I say stop burdening him with the keeping and let him slot in at 4 in HeleSKUNT's vacated spot.

Bring back Ramdin to do the glove work.

In reply to Larr Pullo


u now know that.

how would Shane developed as a wk when Ramdin back go out.
by the way the best bajan bat will bat at 3 with Bravo at 4

In reply to Larr Pullo

You all over the place

In reply to Larr Pullo

Merit.

In reply to tc1

Nah I knew, I just didn't know how well developed his game was.

In reply to Larr Pullo

Slot him in for Blackwood and bring back Ramdin. I always thought it was an error to be burden him with keeping.

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

How so brother Fuzzy?

In reply to JOJO

But he is a keeper

In reply to Larr Pullo

You on to the latest flavour

In reply to Larr Pullo

Dowrich as a batsman is indeed truly good. Let him bat yes at # 4, I agree, but do not put Ramdin back in the test team (Hope, Hamilton or someone else to keep and bat at # 7)

What rubbish. Dowrich stays keeper-batsman. Let him be a dhoni, gilchrist, flower, in that mould. It's an asset that our keeper can be depended upon to score runs. His keeping is neat, too.

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

Yes but his batting is more important in this weak lineup. We have another specialist keeper available and you can get 30+ runs out of him on a good day.

In reply to solidrock

Ramdins public angst with the powers means he will mess up the team dynamic or you figure his Test career is done?

I'm genuinely asking.

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

I've said it before on this board.

Kanhai started as a wicketkeeper batsman too. It quickly became obvious that his batting potential far exceeded his keeping potential and he was quickly made into a batsman only.

Dowrich seems to be similar. Another "Kanhai" would be more than welcome in this struggling team.

These are the streams of thought so far.

Drop Samuels-

Bring back Ramdin for Test Wicket Keeping

Leave Dowrich so he can be molded into a wicket Keeeper Batsman

Kick Ramdin out of Test Cricket he is no use and will disrupt the team due to his poor relations with the Board.

Which one is priority?

I say bat him 6, get another bowler in the team, whether Cornwall, Cummmings or Warrican.

I really wish a PCL team will let Holder or Carlos open this season.

We need to think outside the box, either of those guys could be our Shane Watson.

Brathwaite
Brathwaite
Bravo
Blackwood/ Singh
Chase
Dowrich
Holder
Cornwall
Bishoo
Joseph
Gabriel

In reply to Larr Pullo

I saw that the very first time i blessed my eyes on him..Had a little

chat of encouraging words with him at Bina. He is a very nice and respectful

young man and im very confident that he will deliver many future tons.

Buy the way, we have no room for Ramdin.

Still remember watching these two youngsters at 15 batting at Weymouth against grown men and clearly seeing where they were heading. The youth will lead us out of this. I would put Singh in there at 6 and let Hetmeyer put pressure on Chase and Blackwood to perform or move out.

Nicholas Pooran behind the stumps. Ramdin make way for him regionally and Dowrich @ #4

In reply to powen001

Ramdin is the best keeper in the West Indies and should get the job based on merit. It is time we learn to separate politics and production.

Nevertheless, there are other keepers out there. Just don't give it to Shai Hope.

In reply to Larr Pullo

No way no how Ramdin coming back into this team. Leave Dow where he is or find some other keeper.

In reply to Norm

Let Ramdin play with his notes. Cutting with the past. Let the youths go clear without the entitled.

In reply to DIEHARD

To me holder is a better batsman than Carlos so switch them and not a bad team

In reply to Larr Pullo

Damn like yuh bounce yuh head banas finally yuh talking sense

In reply to JOJO

I wouldn't rush to move Dowrich, but there could be merit in putting him in the field (although, I'd rather imagine Nicolas Pooran is the guy who forces that move in a couple of years, rather than Ramdin, though I'm not opposed to Ramdin if he's making a heap of runs).

Let the kid develop and earn an elevation. Make him beat down the door with consistent scores like this and show us all that it's what he wants.

I think he's more than capable - if his first 10 matches show us anything.

In reply to Larr Pullo Wicketkeepers need to be able to bat. There is no room in test cricket these days for keepers who end up averaging 25 per innings. Anyway what is distinctive about Dowrich is no so much his batting ability but his strong mental temperament... something that he has demonstrated since his WI under 19 days. But that is just want you want in a keeper. That is what guys like Deryck Murray and Ridley Jacobs (and even Junior Murray) had. These were keepers who weren't huge run scorers but who had a habit of making runs when it mattered most. Keeping is tough work so you don't expect your keeper to be a prolific run getter, but you need him to focus when it matters most.

In short, please ease off of this talk about Dowrich as specialist bat only...you already got jokers here talking about bringing bat Ramdin.... who by the way was a capable batsman and keeper but who was mentally too weak to handle the pressure.

In reply to Logic

Well said. Leff Dow rite deh

In reply to DIEHARD

I like the look of that - have similar thinking with Carlos, who I'd love to be around this team and these young guys as much as possible. He is a professional and a leader and has only show grit and dash with the bat against world class opposition - would love to see how that translates hire up the order.

Always liked Ramdin from I saw him as U-19 skipper, but his toxic relationship with the Admin seems to have affected him in pretty much the same way it has affected that entire generation of WI players, like Sarwan.

I think he would have to be top Run scorer this PCL to get back in the team, but I think his days are done.

Blackwood definitely under pressure from Singh and Shai Hope, I'd love to see Blackwood at the #4 slot instead.

In reply to Norm

Really curious as to why you make this statement. How much have you seen of Shai Hope. As you can tell from my above post I wouldn't give it to Shai Hope either, but why pick him out?

In reply to solidrock

Hope should not keep, he is the best bat in bim, he is special

In reply to Logic

Poor keeper and worse batsman in Test cricket.

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy


If you guys don't get to the finish line tomorrow , it will be WWW3

In reply to Norm

Shai will make you eat crow just like KB

In reply to DIEHARDFunny that people seem to be entertaining your suggestion of using Carlos as an opener. I proposed that on this board a few series ago when we were scratching around with Chandrika and I got pilloried for it, despite the fact that I disclosed that Carlos started out as an opener for his club team.

That said, I only proposed it as a stopgap measure. We need to find a specialist opener... and Johnson deserves a chance to prove himself in the middle order.

In reply to Logic


Hope should not wk, he is too talented a batman, he will come good at the highest level.

What I like about Dowrich is that when he get in he tries to get runs fast

In reply to Norm What utter crap. You have obviously not watched the guy very much and are letting your insularity run riot after a few sightings of him. Shai is probably a more talented batsman and keeper than Dowrich. The real difference between the two and the reason why I would not rush Shai into the team (or give him the gloves in a 5 day game) is Dowrich's relative mental toughness. tc1 is spot on - you WILL eat crow on this one.

In reply to tc1

I agree and see my post above. Keeping is tough work for tough minds. It's not about talent alone.

In reply to Logic

I've been campaigning for either of Holder or Brathwait to open.

Each time i do it i normally get ridiculed for it as well

I see more people now seeing the possibilities.

I think they can be devloped into specialist openers. The cupboard well bare.

This PCL season should be very interesting, Blackwood, Samuels and to a lesser extent Chase, under pressure for their spots, can't wait to see how they stack up against the guys nipping at their heels.



I like the flexibility it gives the team, cos bowling out teams is where we seem to be falling short.

I beleive u should have as many bowling options as possible, keep giving the batsman different looks, and just a varied attack of mediocre bowlers is better than an attack of mediocre bowlers all offering the same thing.

I believe one test recently we had Holder, Brathwaite and Gabriel..the old Gabriel, that was begging for licks!!

In reply to seaegg99

Dave had a vision and now a mission he is pursuing. It's not too late ... more folks will start to wake up to reality

In reply to Logic

Would this apply if your keeper is batting at 11?

If you have a bowler who is taking bundles of wickets do you still demand that he average 40?

Why is a keeper then forced to justify his spot on the team based on his batting if his keeping is exemplary?

In reply to DIEHARD

Haven't you had enough of the makeshift openers?

In reply to DIEHARD

Chase have played how many test? Have saved one and partnered KB in the first innings with a vital stand. He is 23 years old. Give him a chance to develop. He is not awed by the spotlight. He too will come good for the West Indies.

Chase, Dowrich and KB came thru together and produced at all levels. There is a natural chemistry with this group. As Chrissy say "Enjoy the Ride"

In reply to DIEHARD

If he maintains his scoring then V. Singh has to play at 5.

Samuels should be gone. If Blackwood & Chase don't perform in the PCL compared to others then they should be dropped too.

2, 4, 5, 6 are all up for grabs.

Well- based on responses so far...several posters have moved on from RAMDIN regardless of residue skill with the gloves over his challengers...his batting or lack of consistency has done him in...based on responses...and the Politics has been a thorn as well...So Ramdin...no more tests if this were a poll taken this morning.

Let Dow bat and develop also appears to be slightly ahead of putting him in at four...

Drop Samuels ...seems to be faite accompli as well...

So If CC.Com had a poll with weight....

We would encourage Dow to keep playing as is...gloves and bat in hand..while another youngster is brought in...in essence we say bye to Samuels and Ramdin.

close enough?

In reply to Logic

I tried, but he won't stay at the wicket long enough.

Is this what Bim calls "quality" these days?

Jahmar Hamilton's name not being considered despite many saying he's the best keeper in the Caribbean.

In reply to WICFan

never heard of him

In reply to WICFan

What's his body of work?

In reply to WICFan

Why would you dropped Blackwood and Chase and replace them with PCL players, these 2 need to be in the ODI set up and improve their skill when 'chasing' a 4th innings target.

In reply to Logic

On what basis? Multiple failures to rash shots?

Blackwood too is guilty of multiple dismissals due to rash shots, but at least he scores decent runs sometimes.

Chase is showing signs of adapting to Test batting, and I would keep him around for a while yet, but he is still far from convincing as a Test player. He is a rather ordinary bowler, despite Holder's rush to give him the ball when Gabriel gets tired.

A bunch of mediocre Bim players are being promoted, mostly by Bajans (including selectors), in very lean times for WI. Most Bajans apparently couldn't care less if WI keep losing, as long as nuff Bajans are in the team.

In reply to WICFan

He from the wrong Island.

In reply to Norm

even from you that is pure shoite wrt Bajans couldnt care less if WI keep losing as long as nuff Bajans are in the team.

i call BS on that. now if you say Cawmerians you would be fine. i would like to see Harding, C Braffit and another Cawmerian in the side and my dreams would be complete.

are you satisfied now?

In reply to Norm

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You are totally wrong here. Chase have been one of the best batsmen for the past couple of seasons. You should go do your research before you talk tripe.

One thing about most Bajans, we like to see good cricket. It doesn't matter to us who it is. For many years we did not do a good job of preparing the players to produce and did not deserve to have them in the team. Still though we put things into place to tackle that and now the benefit should be to all of us West Indians not just Barbados.

In reply to Larr Pullo

As Jamaicans say when the cupboard is bare.."Yu haffi tun u hand and mek fashion"

Just doing the best with what we have, cos the only opener covering themselves in glory at regional level..is Devon Smith..is he even still playing?

I would not be so dead set against him at this stage, but the selectors seem to be.

I mean if Brathwaite or Holder makes it as an opener, think what that would mean for the balanceof the team, especially if its Holder..since he HAS to play

In reply to DIEHARD

Pls to leave Devon wherever he is. Tks. Try another newbie.

In reply to WICFan

2nd Time I've seen you say this, so now who is this 'many' that you keeping on talking about?

You and VOR doh count.

In reply to Andy99

In reply to tc1

Improve their skill domestically, what I'm saying is if these two don't perform in the PCL then they should be dropped for other guys who have put their hands up for selection.

In reply to Andy99

So do you & others here not rate his keeping?

The guy seems to have played well in the A Series and has played well domestically yet doesn't get a mention.

In reply to Larr Pullo
Ramdin's best position now is on twitter

In reply to sudden

I said "... mostly by Bajans, ...".

What I cannot understand is, why do we support the selection of players who fail consistently for WI?

In the present context, I would have selected Carlos B to open the batting in the 3rd Test, instead of the regularly failing Johnson. Or, have Bishoo open the batting and keep Miguel.

Build a bowling core around Gabriel, Alzarri, Miguel and Bishoo. Holder looks like he finally decided he needs to take wickets and may become a core bowler if he continues to do so. He has been nothing but mediocre in Test cricket up to this point tho.

Looks like a new batch of better players is emerging, as the A team success is showing. Things will improve if we promote players on merit, and not on insularity.

In reply to voiceofreason

Come on man! That's the best you can do? I like Jamar. He is a genuine keeper and batsman as well. If he is not in the first team he should be developing in the A team.

Our problem is that when we find a player performing in his specialist position we start talking about moving him to solve some other position where we are failing.

Dowrich is beginning to blossom as the keeper and a batsman at this level. I never questioned his ability or resolve. Let him stay right where he is. Solve the other failing areas.

I think it is time for Samuels to be on his way. My replacement is Shai. But I would like Shai at 3 and Bravo at 4 because I want more preparation for Bravo. When he comes to the wicket I want the shine off and the moisture well out of the pitch.

I think it best to try a practicing opener here, Lewis. I'm keeping chase. Blackwood-what a disappointment! Bring Hetmeyer to replace him. My revamped squad:
1. KB
2. Lewis
3. Shai
4. Bravo
5. Hetmeyer
6. Chase
7. Dowrich
8. Holder
9. Bishoo
10.Joseph
11.Gabriel
12.Cummins
13.Warrican
14.Singh

Samuels is irresponsible. Blackwood is happy-go-lucky. Johnson is unfortunately unfit for the opening position - completely out of sorts. Cummins deserves more chances but unless he is carrying a niggle needs to ramp his pace back up and move the ball again. Joseph should be a fixture. It is a learning period right now but he does have pace and a nice leg-cutter. I'd still like Bish to develop that googly too.