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Spot 2 of Bravos sons on this project..
In reply to bravos
Very nice.
Your first name is the same as the cricketer? 
I guess it explains the handle.
In reply to nick2020
Nope that's the owner of that website..
And thanks..had some problems with first load of concrete though,I'm actually doing some manual repairs in vid,my sons and I are in green..
Nice work! Decent finish, and the concrete mixture seems to be just right (minimum water content for required slump), except for a small section where the workability was not right.
I would surmise that such concrete barriers are used quite a bit on T&T highways, which would justify the presence of such specialized road-building equipment.
Those kids are grown already! Early start, right? 
In reply to Norm
Correct~ The first load was a bit too wet and we had some slumping on the first run,had to raise a small section manually.
And correct again,my first son is on machine,had him when I was 19,he's 26 now the other smaller one there is 15 going on 16 he wanted to be there,he had a blast drove on some real fast cars and worked hard and responsibly too,have another turning 17 in a couple days..They are all conscious gentlemen and are being prepared for the real world.
Here they are checking the survey line and sensors alignment..
Cool site and sight..lol.
Had a blast, Literally!
In reply to bravos
Nice!
I often tell these engineers I work with here (in the US) that the engineers in so-called Third World countries have to be real engineers, because they have to adapt equipment, knowledge and methods to their own environment - which might be very different from what professors cover and equipment manufacturers envisioned.
It's great to see your sons are involved too. My proverbial hat off to you and the boys!
In reply to Norm
Thanks and yep we had to get a starter refurbished at 10 pm the night before commencement,made some calls and got a guy to open his shop and do his magic,also had to modify a primer pump from another diesel engine to work,ours failed and we didn't have much options late Saturday morning,got one for a Mitsubishi truck engine by a generic auto parts place....
My son handled everything,have some Yardies working with me now,saved them from exploitation in the security and laborer market,they are some of the best workers I ever had,very productive team by themselves,they turn on a button all while smiling.
Later I will post a hype vid I did of them prepping machine at one of my yards in the country side close to that site..
Was catching up on a whole heap of emails I ignored last couple days,now turning in,later..
In reply to bravos
A concrete barrier at a race track that has a ramp base. What jackassery...y'all realize that cars traveling at high speeds could launched airborne? Alyuh does do high school physics in Tittieland?
In reply to Larr Pullo
That's the AASHTO standard barrier shape. Launching is still possible at high speeds, but this is the shape that has been proven to be the safest overall, for the driver.
Why are you picking on Bravos, who is working hard in T&T, about something you don't know much about?
In reply to Norm
Ummm I know a enough about racing to know that they wouldn't recommend an AASHTO standard barrier shape at a race track where cars certainly don't drive at highway speeds. As a matter of fact you should research some of the accidents where drivers run into those barriers at very high speeds and go airborne and land on other cars.
BTW I'll be more than happy to pick on you if you're Bravo's self appointed defense lawyer!
In reply to Norm
For all you jackasses who think installing a concrete highway barrier at a racetrack is safe....
You two idiots should go race each other at the track and crash into the barriers at 150 mph. Y'all would make great crash test dummies! 
In reply to bravos
Bravos, one question, why continuous?? Isnt sectional better, where you can remove or replace individual sections in emergency situations, like if you want remove a crashed car off the track and allow emergency vehicles on to said track?
In reply to Larr Pullo
Hmmm. Insults - always a sign of panic and no defense capability!
If you look at Bravos's first photo, yo would notice that the T&T car racing safety association is involved. I think those guys would know a whole lot more about car racing than a wannabe cricketer.
In any case, the barrier that organisation chose appears to be identical to the current shape recommended by AASHTO for freeway use. It may be possible that others simple have not found a shape that would safer for higher speeds.
BTW, why do you try to spar with me when you always get bruised as soon as you "mold up"?
In reply to StumpCam
There are plastic water-filled barriers that would be suitable for that. A 20-foot section of concrete barrier weighs over 3 tons, and not easy to move around.
A bigger issue though would be the expansion joints needed for changes in heat and humidity. One way of addressing that is to cut joints into the concrete barrier every 20 feet, after the barrier is constructed.
I will bet that Bravos has that covered!
In reply to Norm
Crash test dummy...This is a Tittie racing association. You think they care about safety? Where is the run off area? look at the third photo, the barrier is right up against the track. secondly, this is continuous barrier technology definitely not suitable for a race track. Read the link I sent you and see the differences in material and construction method.
Bravos will kill people and get sued out of business. I hope they name both you crash test dummies as party to the suit!
In reply to Norm
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH
You're not a project manager are you?
In reply to Larr Pullo
I do this stuff all the time as part of my regular work!
You really like to get yourself into deeper doodoo than you can handle, don't you?
In reply to Norm
I know, I know, you're an expert at everything...and a crash test dummy
In reply to Larr Pullo
They have an association, and are spending money on a barrier. So, yes. They care.
Read it now.
True, in recent years, metal (beam) barriers have been deemed "safer" for impacts, because they absorb more of the energy by plastic (permanent) deformation.
They need to be replaced before the next impact or they are likely to cause serious harm to driver and car. You could change them quickly, but you need a supply of spares and an installation crew at hand to do so.
I am confident that the T&T association considered all factors.
BTW, the barrier being constructed in T&T falls into the Jersey Wall or K-Rail category, in the middle of the article you referred to, where they are described as "Among the most common barriers in use today ...".
In reply to Larr Pullo
Aaaah ... finally. Official recognition ....!
In reply to Larr Pullo
Aren’t some NASCAR track barriers made out of concrete?
In reply to Larr Pullo
The shape of the barrier does the opposite you simple crab ..dont let the 'ramp' shape confuse your little bitter mind..
Soon we have 5km and 12 km to do on a highway and 22 on another,go tell them to use something else asshole...all roundabouts and islands too in curb and gutter.
Additional GPS machine in the works..no string lines..over $400K USD..
Sad self hater.
In reply to StumpCam
Doh bother with that old African barrel crab.
In reply to StumpCam
If you look at a NASCAR track the barriers are designed to push the cars back into the track. They also had to redesign the fencing above the barriers to keep car parts contained in the track after a Tire went into the crowd at a race and killed a few spectators.
For you know nothing so called race fans that think NASCAR constructs a solid concrete barrier and drive cars near to them at 200 miles per hour...
Here you go...
In reply to bravos
Jackass your barriers can possibly work on a highway. on a race track it will straight up murder people!!! You should get the forking death penalty if somebody dies because of your dangerous barriers!!! 
In reply to Larr Pullo
Wow!!! I had no idea this thread morphed into this.
In reply to Larr Pullo
You noticed that too?
The guy even makes stuff up when he is not sure.
In reply to Larr Pullo
Has any racer ever died because of a Jersey Wall type concrete barrier on a race track?
BTW, people have died on highways from accidents involving these concrete barriers, but they are currently the safest concrete barriers out there (on highways and freeways), when all is said and done. People will sue for almost anything in the US, but these concrete barriers have stood up to legal examination to this day.
You have to go there, don't you?
Here is more about safety barriers on race tracks in NASCAR.
F1 is even more stringent, with large run off areas on the purpose built tracks with material like sand traps to slow down the car before it get anywhere near the wall.
BTW I was out at Hockenheim here in Germany a week ago for the F1 event so I have observational experience.
In reply to black
What's that saying? Pot calling pot BLACK?
You are always clinging to straws when looking for a chance to get at me - just like Larr! Birds of a feather indeed!
In reply to Norm
Yes!!! Dale Earnhardt, AND spectators at other circuits. Are you kidding me?
Have you driven on the Jersey turnpike and seen the kind of carnage that wall of that type do to cars? Maybe you should talk to people who lived on the east coast and drive the I95 corridor. Stop defending Bravos and his shite eh. Good on him for winning the contract and giving his sons employment, but the barrier he is installing is unsafe!!
In reply to Larr Pullo
The man is the contractor, or a sub. The choice of design elements is usually not the contractor's, except in design-build contracts. In any case, those are the safest concrete barriers currently in use in the US.
BTW, cars themselves kill hundreds of thousands of people everywhere, every year. Do you go around calling for their withdrawal from use as well?
Come in with some of kind of stupid input in Larr's defense, black! Add some emotional stuff to give it some kind of substance too, please!
In reply to Norm
Cars don't kill people, human error is usually the culprit.
In reply to Norm
C'mon man you are better than this. IT IS NOT THE TYPE OF BARRIER THAT SHOULD BE INSTALLED ON A RACE TRACK!!! There are speed ratings for crash barriers. Race Cars carry way more energy into a crash than a car driven at "civilian" speeds that is obeying the speed limits. It is known that at speed the angle at the base of the barrier that bravos is installing will launch a race car airborne and probably kill the driver and anyone unlucky in it's path when it lands. It's simple physics!!!
Stupid unnecessary deflection that does not merit a response beyond the need to call it a stupid and unnecessary deflection.
In reply to Larr Pullo
(about stupid deflection comment)!
Race tracks are usually private property, not subject to the same engineering requirements or public review as highways. So, you probably have to sign a safety waiver to either race there, or be a race spectator.
So, the concrete barrier should stand up to possible legal challenges even on the race track.
If your point is that there are safer barriers than this concrete barrier for race tracks, then I won't disagree. If you are contending, however, that bravos is being negligent in some way for installing this barrier at a race track or elsewhere, then you should ... Never mind, I would disagree in the latter case!
In reply to Larr Pullo
You are schooling the bwoys on the mb
As an engineer those barriers are meant for highways, racing one needs modification to such barriers, to prevent airborne car missiles,etc.
Carry on the discussion as I remain amused at the comments.
In reply to Norm
So, the concrete barrier should stand up to possible legal challenges even on the race track
Think about what you are saying.
In reply to black
Where's your input, man?
In reply to sgtdjones
I see you have signed up for Larr's school. Congratulations!
Engineering too, eh? Right up Larr's alley!
In reply to Norm
When is the challenge going to take place? After someone dies?
You idiots are unbelievable..
Assholes...the barriers are on the straightaway and are as important to spectator protection as anything else and was the best option to protect trackside spectators as a car ploughed into the crowd last year or so.
The barriers don't send cars flying as if off a ramp, the upward direction is to halt the momentum by deflecting the object upwards and gravity makes it come down the vertical with a smaller secondary impact.
And STDJones obsolete failed west Indian writing in with his transparent agenda..
Most race tracks have concrete barriers on the straightaways.
You haters are unbelievable all I wanted to do was share the great feeling of seeing the boys taking care of operations for the 'old man,
Jersey and F type barriers have been proven to be the most effective solution in deflecting and guiding speeding and heavy vehicles back to their original path.
In fact my system has already been awarded co tracts to replace cable barriers on one of our busiest highways where several motorists and cyclists have been decapitated by steel barriers.
Have pics will find them.and post later.
The hate here is copious and pathetic really.
The systems can produce at a rate that exceeds the annual salaries of most of you 'professionals'within a work day and most likely stop cars from crossing medians thus saving lives which is the main purpose of this program.
Your words are insignificant and moreso unfortunate .
We did this job in good spirits and extended many courtesies to the association in the spirit of motorsports and sports in general.
You guys are lower than I thought..
In reply to black
You have s prob with my system also? I'm not really sure because my screen broke and can't properly scroll thread.
I will show you people that those barriers are the only choice for track straighaways near spectators,my debris fence on top of barriers gonna cause some problems here too it seems..
Disgusting..
In reply to Norm
Facts are difficult to dispute
Is that the best you gats to offer.
Ah still trying to figure out this agenda thingie.
When dealing with a non high school graduate ...oh well
In reply to bravos
No, not at all.
This is between me and norm, he seems to be the expert on everything.
In reply to black
I notice that also...the best thing my grandfather's donkey did was bray and we ignored it.
In reply to black
People have died at race tracks already. How do you challenge their facility design if you sign a release waiver to be there during races?
Improvements, such as those Larr has been referring to, are probably happening because of the efforts of the race car drivers, who may refuse to participate if they are concerned about driver safety.
I doubt if those race car barriers are tested. Their design is probably inferred from test results for highway barriers, or just plain common sense. In any case, they seem to be adequate for light, high speed, low profile cars, but probably have to be repaired frequently.
In reply to sgtdjones
Where are your facts?
I didn't realize you too were another bitter loser in some imagined dispute with me. My fan club is much bigger than I thought!
The influence of this angular characteristics is not send the car airborne.It is 15 Degrees off vertical. The weight of the car is a component of the force diagram
This feature allows the tire to be the first point of contact between the car and the barrier.
Why? The shock absorbing characteristics of the tire.
This prevents a direct hit to the passenger compartment. Saves the car sides
Calling yourself engineer? Did graduate as an Engineer? Does not make you one. Where the rubber meets the road matters(pun pun). Have you engineered anything?
That design is using the tire. Other designs has an overhung lateral shock absorbing component in the in the guide rail.
In reply to Norm
This is racing safety in Tittieland... About to become even more dangerous with the addition of Bravos wall!!
Forking Trump got nothing on Bravos and wall building!!!
In reply to Dan_De_Lyan
Depends on what angle the car hitting the wall at yah dingbat!!
In reply to Norm
That is why you don't build it (unsafe) and wait for someone to challenge it.
Things don't happen in a vacuum, safety standards should be copied from the best examples.
In reply to sgtdjones
A lot of times he will make it up because it sounds good.
In reply to Norm
where is OSHA , no safety requirement
Isn't this the same Frankie Boodram who once brought back a race car from Guyana full up of cocaine?
Bravos mussee snort some of dat product mek he think that wall safe for a race track!!
In reply to Larr Pullo
Man, did you read the last article you linked?
It said that Sirjoo died because he hit a metal pole that his death would have been prevented had there been more concrete barriers near the track.
So, is this a concession speech on your part? Did SgtJones agree to this?
Just kidding. I am convinced that the special race track barriers you referred us to are effective at lessening harm to race car drivers, but nothing has indicated that the Jersey barrier is particularly dangerous for the same purpose.
In reply to Norm
That's the kind of stupidity exhibited by you and Bravos...move the metal pole and put in a solid concrete wall...
In reply to Larr Pullo
The car is suppose to be on the ground dimwit. the angle is touching the ground.
The front of the car has crumple zone, the side does not.
The car is heading parallel to the guard.
Stop reaching and pulling
In reply to Dan_De_Lyan
What "angel"Gabriel de fast bowler? Or the more celestial type?
In reply to black
Dude, you're still whimpering like a whipped puppy about me making up things? Why don't you, SgtJones and whoever else prove it, then? I write a lot, so there should be ample opportunity.
I will tell you that I write almost everything from memory and rarely ever look up anything online. So, prove me wrong if you could, but don't join in with every whimpering puppy that happens by, please.
I actually give you a lot of my time. Larr, at least, recognizes that I will diligently engage anyone who is prepared to be tested, and who will not run off crying as soon as I challenge them!
A bunch of intellectual sissies, that!
In reply to Larr Pullo
I fixed it!!! that's all you got for a technical discussion
In reply to Larr Pullo
Those were the views expressed by persons in the article, and not my stupid ones. Are you linking us up with stupid views now?
In reply to Dan_De_Lyan
Fool..if racing cars only traveled in a straight line you'd have a point, but they dont. they could end up head first into the wall that they were traveling parallel to. You another one never did physics...
In reply to Norm
CTD i was highlighting the unsafe conditions and abject ignorance about safety in Tittieland!
In reply to Larr Pullo
Got it. Have to run. Late for work. 10 am in California.
In reply to Larr Pullo
have you heard of banking?
Tracks are banked at various degrees to create greater momentum and velocity through the turns.
come again skunthole
I am a cradle to grave person in the mechanical Industry. Concept to commissioning.
Accountable for FEA FMEA and the rest. My name is on the drawing. Nothing you can school me about blow hard
In reply to Dan_De_Lyan
Is banking cause Lyon to fly off the track and run over some spectators in 2016????
In reply to Larr Pullo
Great question!!!
I was responding to you straight track fcukery question or statement
In reply to Dan_De_Lyan
Whoever gave you your engineering creds should tek dem back!! You ever heard about adhesion and centripetal force?? A driver picks the wrong line or he goes into the turn with too much speed or aero dynamics are off and the car could slide right off your banked turn. Nascars entire tracks are sloped and you still see drivers hammering into the "SAFETY" wall at all angles!!!
In reply to Larr Pullo
Everyone in the racing know the particulars of the turn and the the speed it was designed for.
It is posted on ramps on the regular highways. Race track supply that info to teams.
They hammer into walls because everyone is pushing the limit and the skill of the driver plays a major factor.
Cockroach incoming fowls..
What I want to understand, does Bravos just put what kind of wall he wants...or what he is contracted to do?
Isnt the contracting party not the one that sets the specs?
In reply to Dan_De_Lyan
So a driver driving on a straight track and suffers a blow out...will the car continue in a straight line? A car gets hit from behind on a straight track, doe he continue on in a straight line?
In reply to steveo
He is building to print. Pulllolo is doing design Review
In reply to Dan_De_Lyan
So he needs to take his issues out on the designer no?
In reply to Larr Pullo
You probably learned to drive in your mom's car going in little loops at 30mph, while she fearfully took up a renewed interest in religion from the passenger seat. That’s all well and good, but it’s not the way you learn to actually control a vehicle. For over a century now, the best drivers in the world have honed their skills on closed roads and race tracks, where they learn advanced techniques.
Theory is compromised by man and machine or a combo of the two
In reply to Dan_De_Lyan
Wallerfield has ALWAYS been known as one of the more dangerous tracks on the Caribbean racing circuits because Trinis DON'T do design review!! I'm surprised more racers and spectators haven't been killed there!!!
In reply to steveo
He tries his usual ambush technique....like he did in that taxi fare situation with the ritired yaad fowl
In reply to Larr Pullo
Fair enough. Prove that you have intimate knowledge of that statement.
Trinidad is where they are because they are not reckless with incompetence . The envy of the caribbean
In reply to Dan_De_Lyan
Highest murder rate in the world?
In reply to Dan_De_Lyan
Ai fella I raced go-karts and dirt bikes. I've been driving and riding since I was 12. I know dangerous track design when I see it!!
In reply to Larr Pullo
did you see my comment about lateral shock absorbing.
I was in the control box at the HAAS win in the Daytona 500 2017
In reply to Larr Pullo
Advance Technology and GDP level. Happiest people...Bravos list of women
In reply to Dan_De_Lyan
Bravo's wall does not do lateral shock absorbing. It will give back all the force it gets and probably break the drivers neck!!
In reply to Larr Pullo
That wall design works with the tire of the car.
The other lateral shock absorbing design slams into your doors etc
In reply to Larr Pullo
Speed kills..... There is an inherent risk for Race Car drivers..... you go in knowing that.... if you don't like the wall, track, surface, whatever.... don't race there..... anyone forcing you to race there?
SIMPLES!!!
In reply to bravos
Thank god dem got dem mothers good looks.
Nuff respect bro - good to see the legacy transition is in progress.
In reply to Dan_De_Lyan
At speed the car can hit the wall at any angle. You have to be Trump dumb to think that the car will "ONLY" hit the wall tire first!!
In reply to Larr Pullo
Where did I say that.
That barrier is designed for the most probable crash.
if the car is heading into the wall after a spin...the crumple zone does the shock absorbing. These cars are designed to crumple and the cage keeps the driver safe. I mentioned this above.
At the end of the day safeties are designed for a given set of criterion and the skill of the driver allows him to push the limit
In reply to Dan_De_Lyan
Banas I tell you they really have to tek back de two engineering cert yuh masqueading. Is the sudden deceleration caused by the immovable object of Bravo's wall that will fcuk u up. Even if that don't get you, there is a real chance you car will go airborne if yuh going fast enough, or you hit Bravo's wall at the right angle!!
In reply to Larr Pullo
you will not hit bravos wall at right angle with full kinetic energy.
You are moving parallel to the wall. A spin out will send you int the wall with a percentage of the impact (1/2mv Square)
You are still going to be heading down the track. If you are stupid to go faster than the the turn will allow you and loose steering power.
A higher percentage of the kinetic energy.
In reply to Larr Pullo
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The nature of NASCAR, you are getting purposely clipped, so the lateral shock absorbing is used. They dont care about the sheet metal of the car.
In reply to Dan_De_Lyan
Hey man...I half spun one time and found myself heading to the wall on the other side of the track...slide the grip and just so you change direction. Another car behind me clipped the front and straightened the car and pointed in the right direction. There is NO telling how you will hit a wall when you lose control. At that point you have to pray that your safety equipment is on point.
See if you see video of Dale Earnhardt final crash hit the wall at a right angle to which he was traveling. dead straight on crash into the upper wall and died. That's when they started redesigning the walls to make them impact absorbing.
In reply to Dan_De_Lyan
There are a lot of factors that determine what direction an out of control car will travel, speed, tire traction, track conditions, etc.
In motorcycle racing, there are two main types of crashes, high side and low side. Low side is more predictable, the front tire simply slide out from under the ride. High side is more unpredictable, it happens when the tire grips, (rear tire) lose traction and grip again. At that point, there is no way of telling where and how the bike is going to end up.
In reply to Larr Pullo
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That is not a head on
Resultant force
Hitting the wall head on, you stop
In reply to Dan_De_Lyan
You blind boss?
In reply to Larr Pullo
He was still sliding down the track....not a head on
He spun into the wall at the same time heading down the intended direction.
not an abrupt end to his inertia.
Have you ever specify a shock absorb er? To decel a certain load
In reply to Dan_De_Lyan
Head on...did you see the interior camera video? He was being pushed down the track by the other car that hit him, but it was the impact with the wall that killed him.
In reply to Larr Pullo
The After Earnhardt's death, NASCAR began use of head-and-neck restraints.
The HANs would have saved him
Guys are surviving worst change of g
In reply to Dan_De_Lyan
They improved in car safety AND improved crash barriers. Another catalyst for improved barriers was when a wheel came off a car and killed a few spectators up in the stands.
In reply to Dan_De_Lyan
BTW a lot of people on the link questioning Bravos wall. I hope his silence here means he working on removing it before it kill somebody!
In reply to Norm
I have never had a debate with you.
Your ego is bigger than anything you have thus shown.
I ignore posters as yourself.
In reply to Larr Pullo
It is....
It obvious this poster has not been to T&T ? Envy????
Plus I am a Trini.
In T&T the cars are not designed for the above , they are regular street cars .
This comment shows the lack of understanding about racing.
Obviously the posters do not understand racing in T&T
I am amused by comments.
In reply to black
These are the people I deal with and I respect their
opinions
CEO , Lafarge
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John M. Beck is founder and President and Chief Executive Officer of Aecon Group Inc.
Aecon
Not Posters on this forum
In reply to sgtdjones
Amuse yourself.....you are referencing exerpts
and saying it is wrong....what is correct?
Forces and actions are different in tt?
Stick to TT hate and crime if you cant f.ing contribute here.
In reply to Dan_De_Lyan
Have you been to the racing Track in T&T?
Have you seen the cars they drive around those tracks?
I am amused by your postings, they lack substance.
In reply to sgtdjones
Dropping names that is unverified.
Drop some scientific concept that we can verify.
You are a poster here...so u are a loser?
Bean counters are no genius!!!!!
I have seen the cars in TT...they have tracks that could climb over walls....
dont spin this into a tt bashing blog post
In reply to Dan_De_Lyan
Sadly , your opinion has little bearing on my life,
nor can it affect moi, so carry on.
I live in T&T a citizen, taxpayer, you sound like pelon, that I cant have an opinion or must post stuff that satisfy him about the goodness of T&T.
In reply to Dan_De_Lyan
Have you seen the cars they drive around those tracks?
The above are the questions I asked did you see it in person?
In reply to sgtdjones
I have....some cars are not quick enough to breach the walls.
In reply to Dan_De_Lyan
Aren't you the same dude that said you haven't been to T&T a few weeks ago on one of my threads.
Find someone else to BS, please.
Have a good life.
In reply to sgtdjones
I have....some cars are not quick enough to breach the walls.
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The straight drag track is safe and unsafe as any on NA
In reply to sgtdjones
Since you joined this tread you have been moping and nothing but negative. Is that how you always are? Or, are you "nice" only when bootlicking?
Fortunately, the tread was loaded was good, informative material, by tough and funny posters. Totally absorbing, with nobody having time for a little crybaby sop like you!
So, go practice marching at the far end of the drill square and yell at a few imaginary privates to your heart's content. Come back when you are ready to observe real men in action!
Shot fired
In reply to sgtdjones
These are the people I deal with and I respect their
opinions
CEO , Lafarge
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John M. Beck is founder and President and Chief Executive Officer of Aecon Group Inc.
Aecon
Not Posters on this forum
I know Bro. Don't let norm raise your blood pressure.
In reply to Norm
Fortunately, the tread was loaded was good, informative material, by tough and funny posters. Totally absorbing, with nobody having time for a little crybaby sop like you!
So, go practice marching at the far end of the drill square and yell at a few imaginary privates to your heart's content. Come back when you are ready to observe real men in action!
What is the gist of the above.....
My grandfather was correct about that darn donkey and its braying....so I will leave you to continue.
In reply to black
He could'nt bro....he does provide me with laughter.
If they did some research and see who those two individuals are they wouldn't debate much....
They have built nuclear plants, highways , Airports ,
bridges, dams world wide. They know concrete.
In reply to sgtdjones
U are always pissing on tt...if i said that...it may be what the dicussion needed.
Cry like a bitch if you want or discuss some verifiable technical stuff.
So i stopped you from bashing tt.
In reply to Dan_De_Lyan
And you have never been to T&T...
You said on that thread you have never been , you would like to go.
You got busted.
Posting fact is not bashing.
In reply to sgtdjones
So you are a fucking mason!
Dont act like you are a Free Mason
In reply to sgtdjones
I have been to TT twice.
Stick to the topic here trump
In reply to Dan_De_Lyan
Dont act like you are a Free Mason
You really cannot be that illiterate by the above posting can you ? Wow
In reply to sgtdjones
Ok...derail.
Or stick to the topic or go post on TT crime.
I think you got violated in TT in a major way.
You claim to live in tt part time and piss on the country like that...shamefull
In reply to Dan_De_Lyan
What ever you say....you and Norm are the experts.
In reply to sgtdjones
Ok
Your best post ever
In reply to sgtdjones
Thank you, thank you!
How much of the world's O2 did you waste today?
Your only redemption was a bit of praise for Dan and me. That was an improvement overall. There might still be hope for you!
In reply to Norm
We are on page 6. You guys have highjacked Bravo's family thread.
What is more, one would expect that serious engineers would have reduced the discussion to two or three equations by now.
In reply to Norm
Not as much as you did?
Self Praise that you both seem to have in common , is no praise.
I learned the hard way that people are quick to judge, will jump at the chance of a cheap ego boost at another's expense.
In reply to Headley
We cannot since we don't have a Concrete consistometer?
I doubt these posters have ever seen one in operation.
In reply to Headley
these guys are confusing Newton 1st, 2nd and 3rd law with angular momentum.
In reply to sgtdjones
what is that consistometer? Headley may not know, he left the field 30 years ago, the last time he visited a site was 1989.
In reply to Headley
The first 4 pages were healthy "lick down, drag out" discussions. Then the crybabies showed up and did their best to slow us down by Page 5!
For once, Larr had a half point(!) about the technology. The stuff he was referring to was actually consistent with "cutting-edge ideas" for highway barriers, for which there is plenty of research. The stuff Bravos is working with, however, is the de facto current practice, even for racing tracks, it would seem. Even Larr's references admitted as much.
Anyway, it was all informative and good fun. I actually learned a thing or two about barrier safety issues as they relate to racing tracks. I have never had occasion to work with racing track infrastructure issues, in practice.
I hope Bravos and family didn't mind the spontaneous Royal Rumble that quickly developed on their website! If they do, I have Larr's personal phone number ...
In reply to Norm
Key words, stay in your field of practice, but Civil guys are involve in all aspect of engineering.
In reply to tc1
An instrument to measure (in relative terms) the viscosity of a liquid, such as wet concrete before it sets. I am not aware of any standard for concrete that is based on a consistometer. That is probably because the coarse aggregates, which are about 3/4 across but could be up to 1.5 inches, would not fit well in the thing (which is a long, flat box about 2"x12"x1" or so.)
The standard practice for measuring the viscosity of wet concrete in the field is the slump test, carried out with a simple cone, ruler and straight edge - simple, cheap and effective.
Bravos was right, the professionals on site do not make a fraction of the money a good contractor makes. I noted that early and put away my waterboots. You sharp guys can discuss AASHO as much as you like.
At the end of the day it's Bravos who's laughing all the way to the bank.
In reply to tc1
True. Sometimes engineering fields overlap. This particular subject involved traffic safety and materials, which have a lot of common ground between civil and mechanical engineering.
One has to be well rounded and capable of unbiased critical thinking, however, to make decisions that are important for public safety, if one does not want to wind up being a mere "intellectual laborer".
You find many good thinkers here on cc.com - but you have to navigate carefully among the personalities!
In reply to Headley
That could be true, but only about 5 percent of the time. Being a contractor is one of the riskiest businesses out there. Very often, success is more dependent on political connections, than on technical skill.
Quantity takeoffs, work scheduling and contracts are extremely valuable skills for the contractor who succeeds on technical skills. Otherwise, learn to sell your soul well.
In reply to Norm
On This Old House all the damn time. The TT "Basher" wants to impress with his upside down funnel
In reply to Norm
I left this at page 1. Saw 6 and wondered what the hell happened.
In reply to nick2020
A good old cc.com romp!
In reply to Norm
Since you don't know, why are you being a so called self expert?
This is what I love about this site ....
In reply to sgtdjones
Enlighten me, man. Have the pleasure of proving me wrong!
In reply to tc1
Why ya picking on the ole bwoy ....hehehehe
He has legend status on Charlotte street in Port Of Spain.
In reply to Norm
You said you don't know ....but you are a self proclaimed know it all expert.
You are dam clueless, it why I am amused.Carry on..
In reply to sgtdjones
Darn. Sometimes I wonder if T&T has more than its fair share of useless people in this world!
In reply to bravos
Nice
In reply to Norm
It absolutely isn't! They've been implementing those changes for nearly 15 years now. You're not going to go to any new or recently retrofitted track and see the type of walls that Bravos is currently installing. They are absolutely the wrong type of walls for racing circuits.
Nuff said...
Wallerfield is for bikes too..
In reply to Headley
I pay those guys...the jibberish is just a front,many are afraid of real life production and respect contractors cheque books mor than their own text books.
In reply to Norm
Joker trying to complicate a simple on site slump test with concrete chemistry...
Cut and paste at work for you..
In reply to Chrissy
In reply to tc1
Slump test is the Norm.
I have been on a few sites and never saw a consistometer. Not once. Slump test is the Norm (get it).
BTW I was on a site a few weeks ago. I took the opportunity to lift a few 96 lb bags of cement and take them (one at a time) about 50 ft to a storehouse just to show the youngsters that everything still works like new.
In reply to Headley
My Yardies lifting 2 bags of render rock like champion with a smile,have a machine prep hype vid with them at one of my yards in the country ,they are great!! I love them..Pay them top dollar..
Back to the efficacy of concrete barriers.
Bravos you need to rethink your installation. This test is at traffic speeds vs Racing speeds.
In reply to bravos
Tell them Bravos. Fellows like TC1 grow up soft. They don't know that Yardies, especially the country boys, excel on construction sites.
In reply to Larr Pullo
It's a 'small' and 'slow' track tuntun..
In reply to Headley
Lol will post vid later and will let them do a total rebuttal on these jokers by name Yardie styleeeeeee!! 'simmi...dem nuh like ow we up top'..
In reply to bravos
How slow is slow bravos? The tests in the video were done at 110KM per hour, which is about 70 mph. I know cars far exceed that at Wallerfield.
In reply to Larr Pullo
Let us be gentlemen and acknowledge that you are making valid points about safety.
A couple posters here seem keen to impress and name drop "who they deal with" which is their prerogative, and they can do so. You, to your credit stayed in the lane of facts.
Having said so, you are in a zone, a steel barrier of pettiness if you will, of being a hater.
You strike me as being rational, and grounded in details, yet here you are pissing, shitting on Bravos - who has been contracted to install a barrier on PRIVATE GROUNDS with PRIVATE FUNDING - factors that don't negate safety concerns, but significantly reduce the RISK exposure. Concrete may not be the ideal, but it is better than actually nothing.
If Bravos did anything wrong, it was exposing his real world Caribbean family success to folks whom can't or refuse to celebrate another persons pride. This is the travesty on display here.
Not once did you celebrate the father to son legacy transition. Yet you elected to bitch and moan about the fact that the PRIVATE OWNERS chose A over B for their guard rails.
A man of your talent and knowledge would better serve educating the region rather that bitch fcuking the contractor for doing what he was paid to do. Bravos posted here with fatherly pride, yet the post turned into self-depreciation.
I state this respectfully, though I am sure you will read it otherwise
In reply to pelon
You tend to hide behind your criticism. An iota of common sense would see the companies I mentioned are world leaders in civil Engineering and Research.
If one were to use such and google they would see what I am getting at. The debate was about the design and concrete used. If it's from TCL I have been to their lab and seen the techniques used.
If an earthquake magnitude 7 were to hit, the majority of the buildings recently built would collapse in POS.
I have not made any comments about the bravos family empire that they are constructing, I wish them well.
I supported Pullo and was attacked, you failed to see such.I am always civil in my debates and don't get into hissyfits or name calling.
In reply to bravos
Congratulations bravos – I see you do good work both in an out of the house 
In reply to sgtdjones
In reply to sgtdjones
Look leh Pelon haul he rass!!! I ent see no smoke in Rome recently so no one ent mek him Pope!! Bravos design is both poor an dangerous for a race track is the only discussion here.
Good on bravos for building a family empire, but what about the people life who he endangering? They don't deserve the chance to build their family empires too?
In reply to bravos
WELL DONE , TO YOU & YOUR SONS !!!
It is good that your Sons are a part of Your Business ; I wish You
continued Success in All Your Businesses .
Whats this, a dick measuring thread?
In reply to Andy99
layout your 50.8MM
In reply to Dan_De_Lyan
How you know the size?
In reply to black
He was bragging about it..... 
In reply to Dan_De_Lyan
Ah jess had to take out meh tape measure and 50.8 not bad at all.
In reply to granite
metric system throws some big units
In reply to Dan_De_Lyan
Who bragging about what?
Not me, thats not me.
I secure enough to not need people on this message board to stroke my ego.
In reply to pelon
The man supports a perennial failure at the international level in Devon Shyte... what that tells you?
MATTAH Close!!!
In reply to sgtdjones
So you're a LIAR as well......... GOT IT!!!
In reply to Andy99
Dont worry, no stroking.
You were not masturbating. You were cleaning it and it went off.
I believe u
In reply to RemainsUnknown
So you're a LIAR as well......... GOT IT!!!
Provide the evidence .....let's show how wrong you are.
Ah waiting !!!!!
In reply to sgtdjones
Link Text
Mr Civil....Master of the slump test
This is not what I thought this thread would be.
In reply to pelon
you elected to bitch and moan
bitch fcuking the contractor for doing what he was paid to do. Bravos posted here with fatherly pride, yet the post turned into self-depreciation.
Ha-ha - Pelon at his finest and NO winky emoticon.
Where's the expert at everything, Norm? He tap out?
Thank you very much for all the support peeps,too numerous to name!! Thank you..
A heartfelt f@ck off to Larr and last but not least a special haul yuh conflicted copy and paste light weight dutty chameleon rass to STDJones.
I had to dig deep to come out of professional mode to address this..
Thank you..
Regarding my new Yardies ,I kinda saved them from exploitation from business people who see them as an end to a means rather than a team with a goal..the machine was actually at a yard/farm that we own close to the site.those guys are so hard working and motivated it's amazing,their salaries have more than doubled working for me and it's really fulfilling knowing what they were going through with their lil rent and expenses etc,they had no money for this month rent,now they have for next month and more.
I treat all my employees like family and most of my labor are guys from the usual hotspots,I try to instill in them a sense of nation building and keep reminding them that they are actually doing that,they go from heavy vibes like yuh shaking a tree limb instead of a hand with no positive energy to young men with aura and focus.
The sweet irony is some of these guys go from gang bangers to guys involved in production of life saving products using advanced equipment as a team, as well as my security line,they are like sponges waiting to absorb whatever's in front of them good or bad,and sometimes the difference between life and death for some of them is simply timing..
I know how it go hence my very short tolerance for paper and plastic alter egos here,you guys are nothing but pathetic..
I will let mi Yadis do a waxin lyrical speech aff fi unno..
Movements!! Best prep and site crisis response slap up clap up team so far!! Dem nah fraid concrete arr nutten aRRD!! Dem ah laff affa dat..currently they're working for higher pay than masons on other sites,one is a young mason and was working security,said he felt his talent was going to waste inna dark compound fi days..other was a hardware yard helper pulling out iron ,cement, bricks and lumber whole day for minimum wage,I saw the potential..and I was right,I have serious respect for these guys and their work ethic..
It's like a ship and all hands have to be on board and in sync with the common goal of keeping the vessel afloat,and to the simpletons the 'vessel' isn't just the machine...
It's good professional production with pride and discipline in all aspects of the task before us..
You don;t need to be over happy employees like a slave master..and it's not just about the pay rate either..it's about acknowledging the human being in front of you and realizing how much you have in common and treating with them accordingly.
In reply to bravos
Great to see you are doing good work and employing Caribbean people. Most of these suckers posting here have only a distant memory of the Caribbean and they certainly don't provide employment for Caribbean people. They are mainly talkers not doers.
In reply to Headley
Yes brother,always have...
Dem men love de vibes,dem seeing tings too,living..
That's a Yadi handling the steel in front machine..Brisk at all times,day or night!
In reply to bravos
That's all the thanks I get for supplying with a lot of good, valuable, current information that would be useful to you in your future endeavours?
I've been more useful to you than all your cement bag lifting yardie hires!!
Additionally, I'd like to think that I have increased the knowledge of the "expert at everything" know it alls like Narm and Dan De Lyan, AND i have made this one of your best threads that didn't have naked skin trini women in it!!!
May I edit this to say, I hope that you looked at the last video that I linked from the German safety group. It shows precisely why concrete barriers are very dangerous.
If you need more info on barrier technology for racetracks and otherwise, please don't hesitate to reach out.
You're welcome!!!
In reply to Headley
Listen here Charlotte st Headley....
I have businesses in T&T , employ many humans, pay large taxes, do not come on the mb showing an analogue machine pouring concrete nor saying how much the contract is worth.You would think the man designed this second hand machine.
I view such as ego building. You are underestimating
some of the Trini's on this forum, that live below the radar and do more that this individual.
Peace
In reply to Larr Pullo
Most of the individuals did not understand what you were saying, rather than digest the gist of your statements, they prefer to attack you and I
A machine that was made to pour and structure concrete barriers on highways, being used to do the same at a racing track is wrong.
When I mentioned consistometer to test such concrete,
they were clueless and commented on outdated measures.
Ever wonder, why we are classified as 3rd World, read this thread.
In reply to sgtdjones
Hit the nail dead square center on the head...
I know we have the capabilities, but no one can tell us anything....
Drive Carefully.
Crying Bitches for the next 10 miles
In reply to Larr Pullo
Good discussion. I wish I had time to participate more - even at risk of being called "know it all"! Plenty to do elsewhere tho.
In reply to Larr Pullo
Go to the comment section of you video link.
Free insights there.
A competitor testing your design?
Puts the concrete barrier at the top of a flat turn and compares the impact absorbtion? Is that an objective DOE?
Ok
In reply to Dan_De_Lyan
It's not a turn. It's a test based on a car traveling in a straight line and leaves the roadway and hits a barrier at an agle. That could happen under many driving circumstances. Your original argument was that the slope of the barrier is supposed to catch the wheel. I argued, correctly, that it will make the car go airborne. You can draw your own conclusions from the video. If after that you guys still think concrete barriers are better, well what can I say...
In reply to Larr Pullo
So...you deleted the video link?
You should have picked a better initially.
In reply to Dan_De_Lyan
This link?
In reply to Larr Pullo
That does not simulate a car drifting.
Drifting off will lead to a UDL...uniformly distributed load by letting the side of the car slams into the barrier. That ramp setup creates a PoINT load which results in Greater pressure
Ramps have banking plus a distance of gravel pits then a tire wall.
Appropriate design must be selected for the situation
In reply to Dan_De_Lyan
What the fork are you talking about? What gravel pits? It's a straight forward test when a car of a certain weight hits a concrete barrier vs a steel barrier.
In case you didn't get it, they are testing barrier design, not drifting and options meant to slow down a car.
In reply to Larr Pullo
Gravel pit as in race track design...slalom
Not drifting....drifts or leaves the roadway....
Not drifting as GTA
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