Message Board Archives

Racism in English cricket: Jofra de target

 
Jumpstart 2019-04-18 16:59:40 

Amid all the noise around Archer, it has gone relatively unnoticed that Joe Denly is in the World Cup squad despite not having played an ODI for a decade".Denly is a fine cricketer but he owes his selection to two key factors: Smith's apparently unwavering belief in his ability - for Smith is clearly something of a champion of his former team-mate - and the premise that he is a spin-bowling allrounder. And that second point is highly debatable.



Link Text

 
Raggs 2019-04-18 17:57:59 

In reply to Jumpstart

He will be included but who sits for him that's the problem. Benn Stokes already says he must be in cos he's ( stokes] place is secure others questioning his admission are less sure about their selection.
anyway when he walks in that dressing room he needs to deliver but due to disharmony in the camp they won't win the tournament.
he is a fool to be a pawn in their 'game'

 
imusic 2019-04-18 18:01:21 

For the racism folk......Kevin Pietersen anyone?

 
Raggs 2019-04-18 18:02:57 

I'm struggling to see why he wants to play for England. I really do.

 
Larr Pullo 2019-04-18 18:19:05 

In reply to Raggs

Has Archer been following how they treat heir own black England footballers?

 
Raggs 2019-04-18 18:29:07 

In reply to Larr Pullo

There's a player who plays for Spurs called Rose who proclaim he can't wait for his playing days to be over. Racist dem warm up his backside home and abroad. Archer must know bout that it was front-page news and widely discussed in the media sport wise and nationally.

 
JOJO 2019-04-18 18:31:38 

In reply to Jumpstart

I think it has more to do with persons considered “outsiders”—but that does not exclude the fact that there may be some racism involved.

Archer should play for England and there is no doubt that he will. However, he would be sorely mistaken to think that these Englishmen would accept with open arms, a hairbraided, big-gold chain wearing, black man with a heavy Caribbean accent.

Mind you, I do not think his decision should be based on whether or not they accept him.

 
Jumpstart 2019-04-18 18:37:35 

In reply to JOJO

Er no.......in the days when SA was banned, nobody had a problem with saffers ccoming to england to play for their teams re: robin smith, allan lamb, tony greig. Even in recent times:kp, keiswetter, keaton jennings, matt prior, andrew strauss...list goes on and on. In my humble opine, i only see one difference. But archer will have to live with that decision

 
camos 2019-04-18 18:38:36 

English fans always looking for white heroes, for the life of me could never see Lampard and Terry playing all that time.

 
imusic 2019-04-18 19:20:04 

Zola Budd

 
JOJO 2019-04-18 19:27:14 

In reply to Jumpstart

Er no.......in the days when SA was banned, nobody had a problem with saffers ccoming to england to play for their teams re: robin smith, allan lamb, tony greig. Even in recent times:kp, keiswetter, keaton jennings, matt prior, andrew strauss


If Archer was raised in the UK and had come through the system, the reaction to him would have been different.

Yes, all these players you identified came from overseas—but they “behaved English” and many actually identified as British. I am not saying that race is not a factor, all I am saying is that it is not the only factor.

BTW, the English players didn’t accept KP with open arms.

 
Norm 2019-04-18 19:47:43 

Jofra quit on West Indies to play cricket with racists? And he will persist with the racists and never even consider playing for West Indies?

This makes you wonder WHO is really being racist here.

 
Andy99 2019-04-18 19:51:46 

In reply to Norm

Shhhhhh........

 
Jumpstart 2019-04-19 02:05:41 

In reply to JOJO

But JOJO Allan lamb didn't pass through England's ssystem. He played for Western Province-a AS first class side first appearing for them in 1972, two years after SA' s ban. Robin Smith's first club was Natal. They didn't pass through the system brother

 
Khaga 2019-04-19 02:08:27 

In reply to Jumpstart

Why should they select an on the fence Bajan,who is a nomad?

 
sgtdjones 2019-04-19 02:13:02 

In reply to Khaga

Just like how your India adopted the Trini that coaches Mumbai

Did he not play for India also?

a friend would like to know?



rolleyes

 
sunfish 2019-04-19 02:41:47 

I think Archer is being naive about English acceptance and, his reasons for turning his back on the West Indies is well documented but very thin.

I conclude this is not a critical thinking person. Who are his advisers anyway?

 
londoner 2019-04-19 02:55:39 

In reply to Raggs I feel no sympathy for him. He complained how west indies let down and so he went to England as if they would accept him, before other fast bowlers. Which are English. What does he think is going to happen to young English fast bowlers who was born in England? I would complain if I was an English fast bowler to see all that work I put in and then suddenly, some one came from no where and is picked before me.

 
Khaga 2019-04-19 05:50:59 

In reply to sgtdjones

He swam back to India and begged for forgiveness.

 
Larr Pullo 2019-04-19 07:09:31 

In reply to sunfish

I conclude this is not a critical thinking person. Who are his advisers anyway?


He was advised by Chris Jordan. He saw the $igns and lost his reason.

It's not too late for him to reverse course.

 
CITYBOY 2019-04-19 10:45:10 

Hola...and the West Indies never profess racism and biasness???
I keep saying all of you who shouting will you guys pay him what he is about to earn going forward???
He will come back to Barbados as a very very very very rich black person...so you guys just shush..
What you guys want him to supplement his earnings by waiting on tourists???
By the way how racist is that???And class centred???how come you guys not picking on that for all those in the tourist industry who are ridiculed by the white tourists every minute......why are you not asking those workers to find other employment...look Archer gwaan and earn your dollars and come back and be like a white tourist..
Adios
Cb

 
BeatDball 2019-04-19 11:01:52 

In reply to CITYBOY

cool

 
StumpCam 2019-04-19 11:36:23 

It probably bears repeating here that Archer has, and has had for many years, a UK passport courtesy of his British father. He's British, he's qualified and he's a fine cricketer.


I don’t know if you guys read the entire article, but maybe his dad had something to do with his decision rather than all the other speculation!

 
methodic 2019-04-19 12:05:48 

if he is paid well the racism becomes easier to ignore in a controlled environment. In this world it is impossible to avoid dealing with racism and its effects.

 
Jumpstart 2019-04-19 12:48:42 

In reply to sgtdjones

Well India didn't really adopt Robin Singh. He went to delhi to read for an Economics degree. He like jofra passed through the Indian system and earned a call for India. Fantastic fielder by the way. Big six hitter too. And I rate him for keeping the Trini accent

 
anthonyp 2019-04-19 17:46:05 

Archer big problem was that de WI selectors didn't pick him for the U19 world cup..

Oshane Thomas didn't make the WI U19 world cup squad either but now he's in the senior WI team now.. man like he blind and all like he can't see how they treating his best friend Jordan?

 
doublecentury 2019-04-20 15:05:03 

In reply to sunfish

I can conclude from your comments that you are merely speculating not thinking at all.

 
doublecentury 2019-04-20 15:05:31 

In reply to anthonyp

Total nonsense.

 
Jumpstart 2019-04-20 15:16:59 

In reply to doublecentury

Well even the writer alludes to it. He mentioned that nobody is complaining about Joe Denly who last played an ODI ten years ago and has gained selection to the world cup squad.......while archer who is the talk of the town in each league he plays in is the subject of moral considerations