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EDWARD SEAGA-RIP

 
Dukes 2019-05-11 07:22:42 

Former Jamaican Prime Minister Edward Seaga has died.

May he Rest in Peace


FAKE NEWS

IGNORE

 
mikesiva 2019-05-11 08:55:12 

In reply to Dukes

Link?

I'm cautious about news like this until I get verification, because of previous "news" that Elaine Thompson had drowned in Canada...a country she'd never visited!

 
Dukes 2019-05-11 09:37:22 

In reply to mikesiva

U R correct.I saw it on FB,posted by my friend in JA who is a highly respected person (National Honors Recipient) but it now appears to be fake.

 
Chrissy 2019-05-11 09:44:16 

In reply to Dukes

Peace is not a word associated with dis monster.

 
Ewart 2019-05-11 10:10:49 

In reply to Chrissy

Just stop and think for a while of how peaceful it could have been --- if Hugh Shearer had been allowed to remain Prime Minister for the duration of the seventies!



And remember who organised him out!

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Chrissy 2019-05-11 10:18:02 

In reply to Ewart

Bro from he didn't want to invite Norman to the Opening of Norman's stadium, the writing was on the wall.
That said Shearer was the one who banned books on black power. Heard he even banned Black Beauty lol

 
Ewart 2019-05-11 11:11:57 

In reply to Chrissy

HaHaHa... Yes, don't know about Black Beauty but I know only too well of Shearer's banning spree including his banning of popular records (Lord Deliver Us, Dem Haffi Get a Beating, Better Must Come, etc).

But Shearer did not hand out guns to his followers. He is not responsible for the almost 70 years of mayhem, bloodshed and terror that has bedevilled the country for three generations.

Bustamante wore two pearl-handled revolvers. And he faced trial for shooting a man dead in front of the asylum when he led a mob of foreshoremen to quash an NWU presence. But Bustamante did not hand out guns.

Norman Manley who fought in the World War I never handed out guns to his followers, and vigorously and repeatedly denounced violence even among his own people.

No one has ever said Michael Manley handed out guns.

PJ Patterson swore off thuggery and violence.

At least Bruce Golding admitted he had been associated with gunmen.



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jacksprat 2019-05-11 11:36:18 

I always say death has a way of cloaking people with virtues they never had in life

 
Drapsey 2019-05-11 12:09:59 


Ok, my good memory of Blinds...

During 79 - 80 lead up to the 80 election, I saw Blinds at a gas station on Constant Spring road with his Buick (or some other like American car) taking gas. I was surprised to see someone of his stature not only driving himself but doing something as lowly as getting his tank filled.

Did I mention that there was no bodyguard?

 
JahJah 2019-05-11 14:21:32 

In reply to Chrissy

Monster much like the one who had a child named Stompie murdered? Same Stompie murderer allyuh was fawning over? Do tell.

 
JayMor 2019-05-11 15:10:56 

In reply to JahJah

I know nothing about Stompie, but likely Stompie would not have been murdered if Blinds (and the BITU wharf controllers) didn't initiate the illegal importation of guns.

--Æ.

 
Chrissy 2019-05-11 15:42:11 

In reply to Ewart

True true

 
Chrissy 2019-05-11 15:44:56 

In reply to JayMor

Bro my favourite cousin was murdered - there will be no quarter given fi is one. We are still paying for his deeds and all the revisionism in di Sunday Gleaner won't change di facts.

 
jacksprat 2019-05-11 15:47:22 

In reply to JayMor

I know nothing about Stompie, but likely Stompie would not have been murdered if Blinds (and the BITU wharf controllers) didn't initiate the illegal importation of guns.
--Æ.

The Stompie issue pertains to a South Africa situation where Winnie Mandela was supposedly implicated.

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Posts in the comments section are very instructive and are an indication of the divisive figure SEAGA, was perceived to be throughout his life.

Seaga was on life support up to late yesterday and remained mentally alert ..the island’s longest-serving member of parliament, is the last surviving member of the framers of the Jamaican Constitution. He served as leader of the Jamaica Labour Party for 31 years and as member of parliament for West Kingston for 43 years – from 1962 until 2005 when he retired.

 
JahJah 2019-05-11 16:00:19 

In reply to JayMor

Stompie has nothing to do with Jamaica.

As for Blinds, finding a clean Jamaican politician is... well...

As someone who is closely related to former PNP gunmen/enforcers, I'll just sit here and chuckle at the painting of one side as angels. I don't care who 'started' it, plenty participants about.

 
XDFIX 2019-05-11 16:10:26 

In reply to JahJah

Amen!

Plenty blame to go around - many politicians both past and present help set Jamaica at least 20 years back! Jamaica should be ahead of Singapore at this stage of its development!

 
Drapsey 2019-05-11 16:41:08 

In reply to JahJah

As for Blinds, finding a clean Jamaican politician is... well...

The issue (or the claim) is that Blinds started it leading up to the 67 election, and then repeated the process leading up to the 80 election when he then partnered with foreign forces.

I worked on the waterfront up to April, 1980 and bore witness to lots of 'activities'. Also got my ears filled with hearsay.

 
Hanover 2019-05-11 16:48:17 

There is no divisibility of humanity. The rational human animal enjoys absolute personhood. Personhood is not a form of reductionism. In its least eloquent, but most apposite form, personhood simply is; and even in circumstances where societal stratifications permit the acceptance of the denial of personhood, personhood continues through the ought of its existence: human dignity! As such, it is an attack on human dignity to dump certain human beings near a mud lake, with the intention that they would walk towards the light and get themselves killed (Montego Bay street people dumped near St Elizabeth mud lake), as it is to kill people at Green Bay (Green Bay massacre).

The simple reality: the atrocities of Jamaican leaders live after them; any other form of oratory is a mere convenience of thought!

 
Chrissy 2019-05-11 17:23:21 

In reply to jacksprat

If I were 88 and in poor health, I'd dare my family to put me on life support.

Most interesting is why he sought life support outside of Jamaica (ironically in the and of his birth).

 
cricketmad 2019-05-11 17:31:48 

In reply to Chrissy

You should know that the moneyed class in Jamaica think that the medical institutions in America can perform miracles.

 
Drapsey 2019-05-11 17:47:11 

In reply to Hanover

...As such, it is an attack on human dignity to dump certain human beings near a mud lake, with the intention that they would walk towards the light and get themselves killed (Montego Bay street people dumped near St Elizabeth mud lake), as it is to kill people at Green Bay (Green Bay massacre).

Although I recall the two incidents, I don't recall the leaders who were responsible.

I'll stick my neck out though and say that unlike the activities attributed to Blinds, we're not seeing residual effects of those two atrocities.

 
Chrissy 2019-05-11 17:47:50 

In reply to cricketmad

Yuh think he's visualizing di former governor of BOJ - di $30M loan man - his medical option was suicide. wink

 
nitro 2019-05-11 19:09:12 

An evil man to Comrades a savior to Laborites. With the help of Uncle Sam saved Jamaica from total economic destruction. To Jamaicans who were around in the 70s what is happening today in Cuba is a huge reminder of what that country faced.

 
cricketmad 2019-05-11 20:29:34 

In reply to nitro

You mean with the help of Uncle Sam he sabotaged Michael Manley's government.

 
nitro 2019-05-11 20:33:19 

In reply to cricketmad

I have heard that, but seen no proof.

 
Drapsey 2019-05-11 22:11:09 

In reply to nitro

I have heard that, but seen no proof.

Michael had a program called "Operation Grow" where he encouraged the masses to return to farming in an effort to reduce Jamaica's reliance on imported food products. Effectively, he promoted self reliance.

To support the initiative, farm implements were imported from Venezuela where Carlos Andrés Pérez, the then President, effectively underwrote the cost with some 20 year (or so) deferred payment program.

The equipment arrived, cleared from the wharfs and were never seen again (well, not until years later when they were dug up from where they were buried). The end result is that the Operation Grow initiative failed because the would-be farmers had no equipment to support their efforts.

Who do you think orchestrated the disappearance of the farm implements?

 
BeatDball 2019-05-11 22:12:10 

Rip Eddie...you were a good leader. I still remember, when, during hurricane Gilbert, you physically was at the back of the truck, giving out supplies to the residents...always hands on, unlike socishitists! cool

 
Chrissy 2019-05-11 22:24:44 

In reply to Drapsey

Look I was Guild VP on Campus and the President and I traveled to meetings in T&T and Bim. We'd head to the supermarkets to buy stuff since ours were as empty as Venezuela is today (as they face similar sabotage).
We were able to purchase Jamaican goods in both places because the boys were in on it too. Indeed they merged and became the PSOJ.

This all started because MM insisted on a bauxite levy.

What hurts is to watch dem now destroying said US with their links to the same Russians that were the bogey used to create this mess.

I felt the exact same way about Eugenia Charles and if anyone makes the mistake to call me they will hear the truth. In fact I may pop the cork on air.

That monster will not be forgiven by me.

 
BeatDball 2019-05-11 22:48:56 

In reply to Chrissy Google & see that photo with Dame Eugenia & former president Ronald Reagan...U might like it!

big grin razz cool

 
Ewart 2019-05-11 23:05:26 

In reply to nitro

...saved Jamaica from total economic destruction
(designed by him and Uncle Sam).


... and that is why we are in a worse economic and social position today.


razz

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Chrissy 2019-05-12 00:00:39 

In reply to Ewart

I hope he makes it past midnight - the day Bob died belongs to Bob - Rasta no work for no CIA - Rat Race.
Bob died 39 years ago today.

We had a first world medical system with great community clinics. He expelled the Cuban Ambassador and all the Cuban doctors headed home.
One Labourite doctor told me that they had never given a thought to the possibility that the doctors would leave with their Ambassador - ignorant licky licky fools.

 
nitro 2019-05-12 01:45:45 

In reply to Drapsey

Wow. That was bad.

 
rudebway 2019-05-12 01:48:16 

In reply to nitro

I have heard that, but seen no proof.



i take it u are under 40. werent around for milk or syrup being "married" to other products?

 
nitro 2019-05-12 01:49:25 

In reply to rudebway

I left 1978 at age 6.

 
Hanover 2019-05-12 05:48:57 

In reply to Drapsey

I'll stick my neck out though and say that unlike the activities attributed to Blinds, we're not seeing residual effects of those two atrocities.


I see! Your response to an attack on human dignity is grounded in the belief of residual effects of atrocities.

My friend, if one explores the idea of absolute truth – a moral law – one is not assuming existence of truth, but rather exploring the factors for a moral absolute. In this regard, we look to a command that universally holds true, such as thou shall not kill! If such truths are grounded in emotion, then it becomes problematic – one needs to pursue the subject no further, if a moral law is reduced to residual effects. It becomes problematic, because you are engaging in moral relativity, which is a form of nihilism. This being so, you, my friend, are saying there is no properly composed judgement that yields a moral law within the context of the given manner of reasoning.

 
Dan_De_Lyan 2019-05-12 11:32:01 

being racist or wishing people death,

Which is a better trait?

 
Lenks 2019-05-12 12:21:26 

No matter what y'all say here, cannot change history as to what happened in/to Jamaica 1972 - 1980.

Can embrace/accept the facts or live in denial. Doesn't really matter...

 
jacksprat 2019-05-12 12:22:02 

In reply to Dan_De_Lyan

being racist or wishing people death

Who is being racist, the one who called a group of African-Jamaicans "Black scandal bags" ?

 
rudebway 2019-05-12 23:20:16 

In reply to Chrissy

along with the food shortages, lets not forget the bloody election campaign. Remember Roy McGann?

 
Chrissy 2019-05-12 23:55:15 

In reply to rudebway

I'll never forget that Sunday and there were many more like that.

 
Walco 2019-05-15 12:45:02 

Heard that Seaga has colon cancer and his organs are failing.

 
camos 2019-05-15 12:55:51 

In reply to rudebway

the Evening tide home fire!

 
Chrissy 2019-05-15 14:50:10 

In reply to Walco

Hope he's conscious

 
Walco 2019-05-15 15:13:44 

In reply to Chrissy

A good friend sat next to and spoke with a JLP Minister on a flight from Fort Lauderdale to Kingston on Monday. Apparently some JLP folks have been traveling to Florida for a final visit

 
Chrissy 2019-05-15 18:53:42 

In reply to Walco

His not holiness gawn - Chang was going but crashed on di way to di airport dis morning.

 
Ewart 2019-05-15 20:10:56 

He has written several articles and a few books that do not tell us what we need to hear. My prayer is that he lives long enough to tell us and the world exactly what he did and with whom between 1974 and 1980. And also what was his real motive.

That would not only lead to a reconciliation among the people of Jamaica, it would also reduce or eliminate the noise from certain voices.

//

 
Chrissy 2019-05-15 20:20:44 

In reply to Ewart
Not going to happen

 
Hanover 2019-05-16 03:59:07 

Roscoe Pound says that there are three classical professions: Divinity; law; and medicine. Pound doesn’t consider any other calling, work…as a profession – these professions have weighted value. Despite Pound’s claim, however, a study of classical antiquity will reveal that none of these professions influences people’s lives like politics. Politics is the greatest form of human endeavor, because it seeks to build the just city. But a study of modern-day politics will reveal politicians in the hands of big businesses and political racketeers who lend themselves to every sort of villainy.


The battle for West Kingston— Seaga and the 'Burning Spear'
Confronted in the 1962 and 1967 campaigns by a formidable political rival, the resolute and combative Dudley Thompson, supported by 'Group 69' from Matthews Lane, a collective of hard political activists, Seaga quickly adopted an aggressive posture. In addition, Group 69 would have predated Seaga's entry into the crucible of political strife in the Corporate Area and beyond. Thompson, who is unfortunately remembered for his statement that “…... no angels died at Green Bay,” in reference to the murder by agents of the State, of five young men lured to pick up guns in the foothills of St Catherine, was certainly an equal participant in that regrettable period of tribal hostility.Many Comrades would, however, argue that it was in fact Seaga's proactive stance, which pushed Thompson to marshal his forces for inevitable political conflict. But the Miconian Dudley Thompson, a Rhodes Scholar, erudite Queen's Counsel and RAF World War Two fighter pilot who adopted Jomo Kenyatta's nom de guerre 'The Burning Spear', was fully cognisant of the dangers of political battle. As one of the Kenyan leader's defence counsels in the aftermath of the 1952 to 1960 Mau Mau Uprising … he would also have been equally attuned to prepare his people for a long and dangerous struggle of attrition.

To underestimate Thompson would be fatal. Apart from his Kenya sojourn on the African homeland, he had sharpened his spurs through his association with many of the anti-colonial struggles of the 1940s and 50s - from the turmoils of KwameNkrumah's Ghana to Mandela's revolutionary surge in South Africa and relished the battle for power. Cognisant of Thompson's background and his will to prevail, Seaga perceived that victory could only be guaranteed by greater vigilance, organisation and ruthlessness.As a consequence, Seaga did not seek to have consensus around a set of non-violent, non-tribal measures but rather considered discretion and dialogue, as unaffordable luxuries in the bitter and intense political cauldron of the time.

Instructively, Eric Frater recounts that one night in the closing stages of the 1962 campaign, after Dudley Thompson gave one of his usual upbeat briefing to the party executive on the effectiveness of his strategy to control the streets of West Kingston, Norman Manley, the senior Queen's Counsel, gave his own logical assessment with uncontested finality: “Dudley, you are being out manoeuvred and outgunned.”

Inexorably but inevitably, Seaga eventually prevailed over the Panama-born Thompson by 780 votes in the 1962 general election and expanded his margin of victory to 2,772 in 1967. However, old Comrades from West Kingston are adamant that it was the intervention of Superintendent Howard and Inspector Joe Williams, the PNP's nemesis, who with his men tear-gassed hundreds of Dudley's supporters on their way to the voting booths at the Queen's Theatre, Spanish Town Road, that led to Seaga's victory in 1962. They further insist that were it not for the unashamed partisanship of Inspector Joe Williams, who was appointed commissioner of police by Seaga during his tenure as prime minister in the 1980s, the history of Jamaica would have positively changed.

Days of struggle, Days of the Guns
From the ashes of 1972, Seaga emerged as leader of his party in 1974 and set about to rebuild its organs and champion his 'anti-communist' crusade against the PNP. But back in his domain, he was confronted by even more redoubtable opponents than Thompson could ever be. To his northern border was 'Tony' Spaulding, 'the Trench Town Rock' and his Arnett Gardens posse led by the feared 'Tony' Welsh and Anthony 'Starky' Tingle. Hovering to the east was the near-invincible Michael Manley and his 'garrisons' led by intimidating activists such as Burry Boy, Feather Mop, Vinnie, Ozzie, and Lenniments, and with the contentious exit of Wilton Hill in the west, emerged a young, vibrant and formidable Portia Simpson. There was also the forceful Carl 'Russian' Thompson and his Marl Road enforcers in West Central St Andrew. Any gaps, real or imagined, were closed by the then militant Dr DK Duncan, the PNP's general secretary in East Central St Andrew, completing a solid group of stronghold constituencies that the PNP dauntingly referred to as 'the Western Belt'.


http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/edward-seaga-the_106813?profile=1096&template=MobileArticle

 
JohnBull 2019-05-16 04:28:05 

In reply to Ewart

My fren ...if you waiting for Eddie to have a Saul on the road to Damascus moment and seek forgiveness, you better get a chair and some supplies. There has to be some sense of mea culpa, a self-awareness that you have sinned, a nagging of the conscience that redemption is necessary ...

As Christine so succinctly put it above ... not gonna happen.

 
nitro 2019-05-16 11:09:17 

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.jamaicaobserver.com/columns/The-CIA-and-Jamaica-_11923340

 
nitro 2019-05-16 11:17:45 

https://www.academia.edu/24301255/Guns_gangs_and_garrison_communities_in_the_politics_of_Jamaica

 
Chrissy 2019-05-16 11:26:28 

In reply to nitro

Good - read and learn

 
nitro 2019-05-16 12:13:57 

In reply to Chrissy

I like this academia site but sceptical of biases.

 
Ayenmol 2019-05-16 13:25:17 

In reply to nitro

That's why you love all things fox?

Because you are so intolerant of bias?

Btw. What happened to your devotionals?

You backslide already?

 
Ewart 2019-05-16 15:41:53 

In reply to nitro

Good that you posted this and that it appears you read it.

BUT....

...skeptical of biases.
.


For several years I have been asking people what they mean when they use the word "bias" or accuse someone of being biased.

Still waiting for a solid response. perhaps you can help, since you use it in consideration of this Abstract to a PhD dissertation.


//

 
Ayenmol 2019-05-16 15:50:38 

In reply to Ewart

I give the man an easy question and he run for cover.

You come give the man a tough question and expect him to show?

 
Chrissy 2019-05-16 15:53:46 

In reply to Ewart

Like someone could get away with bias in a PhD dissertation.
I swear that way too many folks are clueless.
Bias to most people means they disagree with my uninformed opinion -facts be damned.

 
Ewart 2019-05-16 16:48:25 

In reply to Ayenmol


razz lol lol lol lol

//

 
Ewart 2019-05-16 16:49:26 

In reply to Chrissy

Bias to most people means they disagree with my uninformed opinion -facts be damned.



My conclusion exactly.


//

 
nitro 2019-05-16 17:33:18 

In reply to Ewart

Not saying this particular writer is biased.

 
nitro 2019-05-16 17:35:42 

In reply to Chrissy

Like someone could get away with bias in a PhD dissertation. 

Really? Never been at that level, not even the Bsc or even Diploma, but i am learning.

Love this MB. Very informative.

 
Lenks 2019-05-16 18:02:40 

In reply to nitro

Love this MB. Very informative.


Trying hard to digest that coming from you when bias is the topic.

Btw, where in Jamaica did you live before taking one of those five flights per day?

If Kingston, going take a guess and say Havendale or Barbican.

 
rudebway 2019-05-16 18:29:13 

Lenks
lol.. u soon bring out the rod of correction and clap nitro wid it

 
np 2019-05-16 19:04:11 

Let. Me be straight up here .... despite his being distance distance related to my heron side of the family ... I have no SYMPATHY for this hooligan called Eddie “blinds” Seaga.
His passing whenever it comes will not give me any concerns. His dastardly political fuckeries in JA in collusion with Uncle Sam rerouted any possible progress —-
Amen.

 
Lenks 2019-05-16 19:04:14 

In reply to rudebway

lol.. u soon bring out the rod of correction and clap nitro wid it


lol...him very much aware of it.

 
Lenks 2019-05-16 19:05:18 

In reply to np

Amen again mi bredda.

 
SnoopDog 2019-05-16 19:07:19 

In reply to np

Let. Me be straight up here .... despite his being distance distance related to my heron side of the family ... I have no SYMPATHY for this hooligan called Eddie “blinds” Seaga.
His passing whenever it comes will not give me any concerns. His dastardly political fuckeries in JA in collusion with Uncle Sam rerouted any possible progress —-Amen.


So tell us how you really feel Bro. Don't hold anything back. lol

 
np 2019-05-16 19:11:50 

In reply to SnoopDog

Bro — no holding back. I would not say sorry to hear, no sympathies!

I’ll hurry and pop a Guinness!!! To rass, and seh - good riddance. cool

 
SnoopDog 2019-05-16 19:21:13 

In reply to np

Cool Bro. cool

 
Lenks 2019-05-16 19:35:03 

In reply to SnoopDog

His dastardly political fuckeries in JA in collusion with Uncle Sam rerouted any possible progress


Born in the USA, must die in the USA. Since late 70s, never had a doubt about his patriotism.

 
Chrissy 2019-05-16 20:07:57 

In reply to Lenks

Dat simple

 
np 2019-05-16 20:21:31 

In reply to Chrissy

Ding ... ding!!! You got that right Sis!! cool

 
russean76 2019-05-16 20:23:20 

In reply to Chrissy
Preach to them Chrissy,anyone that dont know about the deeds of Seaga either wasnt alive in the seventies or is in denial.

 
Hanover 2019-05-16 20:49:27 

In reply to np

np, my friend, it is going to be a long time, before you can pop that Guinness…Seaga is a “hard man fi deadbig grinbig grin

“I am 88. I must be a hard man fi dead. But no matter whether it is 88 or 98, I am still going to be doing my best for the country,” he declared. “I won’t tell you that I will be active all that time. I owe a long vacation to my family and I have to take that. But my mind will always be on Jamaica and Jamaican things.”


https://jamaicabeacon.com/news/seaga-sings-hard-man-fe-dead-amid-protest-over-highway-gift

 
nitro 2019-05-16 21:20:30 

In reply to np

Heron from Galaxy Tours?

 
nitro 2019-05-16 21:21:31 

In reply to Lenks

Georges Plain.

 
np 2019-05-16 22:00:07 

In reply to nitro

Herons out of Manchester bush and red dirt —Cross Keys area. Your turn at 4-Paths, as if heading to Milk River/Alligator Pond, and then take the Hill.

I have no idea if they are connected with Galaxy Tours but Arawak might know!!

 
np 2019-05-16 22:05:28 

In reply to Hanover

What’s up the man from Hanover — like dem draw yuh out .... and me too ....

The “blinds” does do that when he is mentioned but he draws out my badside ... do t like a bone in him.

 
Chrissy 2019-05-16 22:12:50 

In reply to np

I have a bottle of Blue Nun on ice - they should bury him at Carinosa - or TG.

 
np 2019-05-16 22:31:23 

In reply to Chrissy

Him deserve a “Back-O-Wall” grave fi true. big grin

 
Dan_De_Lyan 2019-05-16 22:33:27 

Is bob Marley a sellout? or we preacher is an alcoholic with psoriasis?

 
Hanover 2019-05-16 22:48:25 

In reply to np

Taking it easy, man; taking it easy.

By the way, “man from Hanover”…I like it. smile smile

On a trivial note: If it is one good thing about this Blind’s thread, it is the fact that it has brought out a few of the not-too-regular posters.

np, when you look at Seaga, and you see this frail man, you pause to reflect: Is this the man who, in the past, caused grown-ass men in the JLP to wet their trousers, and even whipped Desmond McKenzie’s backside in the town square of Tivoli Gardens?

Oh, cruel time! which takes in trust
Our youth, our joys, and all we have,
And pays us but with age and dust;
Who in the dark and silent grave
When we have wandered all our ways
Shuts up the story of our days.
– Sir Walter Ralegh

 
Chrissy 2019-05-16 23:21:25 

In reply to Hanover

I remember seeing the former Headmistress of St Roses High in G'town, Mother Terisita. She was known as Mother terror - many students were terrified of her.
She was now this frail old woman bent over with age. I wondered what they were afraid of - we were one of the large families at the school and mum taught French so not one of us was afraid of her, but I know students who would scatter if they saw her coming.

I always tell folks who think they are all powerful that if they live long enough they will discover that they are neither indispensable nor all powerful.

Most folks in their 30s know Blinds as an old man and only hear stories about him.

 
Hanover 2019-05-16 23:36:26 

In reply to Chrissy

I always tell folks who think they are all powerful that if they live long enough they will discover that they are neither indispensable nor all powerful


Right there is the truth. Absolutely! And to add to what you stated, above: The longer they live, the more they become men on earth living Dante Alighieri’s Divine Comedy!

 
Chrissy 2019-05-16 23:49:53 

In reply to Hanover

And Comedy it is - I watched him unable to stand and sing the party song at their last conference. I actually called a friend and said that famous JA line - look what he come to.

 
Walco 2019-05-19 13:49:38 

In reply to Chrissy

watched him unable to stand and sing the party song at their last conference. I actually called a friend and said that famous JA line - look what he come to.

Physical frailty come with old age Chrissy. It is symbolic of nothing more than age. It would have been a lot more significant and perhaps symbolic and worthy of a "look what he come to" if it had occurred in his 50s or 60s ...

 
Dan_De_Lyan 2019-05-19 14:05:33 

In reply to Walco

This wretched woman will piss her way to the grave. On CC, DU etc

Ps unfortunately larrpuller is not nostradamus

This man will have a state funeral.
Hope it is big one too

 
Chrissy 2019-05-19 20:03:40 

In reply to Walco

Ask Roy McGann, ask my cousin Robert, ask Patrick, JoJo et al if they were able to reach old age?
I have no sympathy for that murderous scumbag - none, zippo.

 
Walco 2019-05-19 22:05:54 

In reply to Chrissy
I think you misunderstood my post. I am not saying that Seaga is deserving or undeserving of sympathy. Just pointing out that the inability to stand and/or walk is common among people that age, even people that you might characterize as good and righteous.

 
buds 2019-05-19 22:12:19 

In reply to Chrissy

I was in Tavern/Papine when McGann was gunned down.. I lived on Tavern Crescent till I migrated. Seaga was deeply involved with a lot of shenanigans.

Get well anyway to him.

 
JayMor 2019-05-19 22:34:50 

In reply to buds

What's up, Buds? Coming down midweek this week for VRCA events. Maybe catch a cricket match Sunday with Spreadie, etc. Any netball slated for St Georges Park or Vincent Torres' Park over the weekend?

--Æ.

 
Chrissy 2019-05-19 22:40:35 

In reply to buds & JayMor

Hi bro - nice to see you.

Tell Spreadie hi for me

 
np 2019-05-19 22:47:32 

In reply to JayMor

Hail up Spreadie!!!

 
np 2019-05-19 22:48:12 

In reply to buds

What’s going on Sir buds?

 
Casper 2019-05-19 23:23:53 

I can’t speak to the pros or cons of Seaga with the authority this thread deserves, but, this picture tells a story. What is it?

And the accompanying article evokes the memory of man (a politician), warts and all, who for some could not have been all that bad.

 
Chrissy 2019-05-19 23:46:54 

In reply to Casper

He objected to the highway being built - please spare me. That was and is naked vulgar politics.

 
Dan_De_Lyan 2019-05-19 23:47:34 

In reply to Casper

Edward Seaga Highway


bwaaaa bwaaaa.. cool

 
JayMor 2019-05-20 15:53:13 

In reply to Chrissy and Nev

I'll definitely hail up Spreadie for you. In fact I'll tell him today. And if Sir Buds surfaces I'll do likewise too. A so; later.

--Æ.

 
Ewart 2019-05-20 17:57:56 

"I will mark my X in PNP blood..."

Edward Phillip George Seaga would have been a 14-year-old fourth-former at Wolmer's Boys' School when Norman Manley put the finishing touches on the Constitution in 1943-44. He was 32 and a minister of government when the work of people like Garvey, Roberts, Domingo, Ken Hill, Norman Manley, O.T. Fairclough and others resulted in the granting of Independence from Britain.

As minister of development and welfare, and later as prime minister, Seaga had some very bright spots, none brighter than his promotion of women in the civil service and elsewhere. In a society long dominated by men, bright women were now for the first time being pushed to the top, principal among whom were Gloria Knight and Thelma Rose Campbell.

Seaga's promotion of Jamaican culture has never been surpassed. One of the earliest of these supports was the creation of a section in his ministry that was devoted to helping singers/songwriters secure copyright for their products, even while detractors dubbed him 'Minister of Ska'. He upgraded the annual Jamaica Festival into something much bigger, with street dances, costumes, floats, and the kind of overall celebration seen in Trinidad, although many people felt it was not the real Jamaican culture. He restored Devon House and created Things Jamaican. He drew up a street maximisation plan for Kingston.

As a minister of the first independent government, his enthusiasm for our newly won Independence led him to try and expunge Emancipation Day from the national psyche. 'Forget about slavery' was the idea. 'We have Independence now.' It was P.J. Patterson, many years later, who put Emancipation back on the Jamaican map. In 1979, the year before he became prime minister, Seaga was censured by Parliament on a motion by Foreign Affairs Minister P.J. Patterson for his unpatriotic activities against Jamaica with US agents in and outside America.

He promoted or introduced several institutions, including the Jamaica Stock Exchange (196cool, Jamaica Unit Trust (1970), Jamaica Mortgage Bank (1973), National Development Bank (1981), Agricultural Credit Bank (1981), Ex-Im Bank (1986), the Students' Loan Bureau and Jamaica National Investment Promotion Ltd (now JAMPRO).

He also launched the brilliant Spring Plains winter vegetables project to diversify the economy. Jumbo jet loads of these winter vegetables were exported to US markets. But the man he chose as manager, Eli Tisona, one of Israel's biggest mobsters, was arrested by US authorities and found guilty of 146 federal counts for drug-money laundering. It appears he was using the Spring Plains jumbo jet shipments to smuggle cocaine from Colombia to the US.

But Seaga also created for himself a bad press. Featuring trenchant partisan politics ("I will mark my 'X' in PNP blood on election day"), his 40 years in public life detracted from the building of the Jamaican nation. His good idea around creating Tivoli Gardens dimmed when only his own JLP supporters were allowed back into the new development. It was the real beginning of garrison politics that saw its apex when he offered "safe passage" out of Tivoli to security forces pinned down by gunmen with superior weaponry.



GARRISON POLITICS


In an article commending Seaga, the late Ian Boyne had this to say: "Seaga has not done enough to rein in the criminals of Tivoli Gardens. This is one of his greatest failures of his 40 years. Every time I have written about Seaga, I have deplored ... his role in garrison politics ... . There are times when he has put constituency interests first, and that is unforgivable."

Mark Wignall said, "He needs to apologise to this nation." And a letter writer to The Gleaner last week describes him as "one of the country's most destabilising persons."

 
jacksprat 2019-05-20 18:30:45 

COUNTERPOINT: A FAWNING TRIBUTE TO THE FAULTLESS MR. EDWARD PHILLIP GEORGE SEAGA

Out of a desire to praise great men when they are still with us, this and succeeding articles will examine the contribution of former Prime Minister Edward Seaga to the building of our nation. These articles will avoid the hackneyed subject of his economic management and will focus instead on the programmes he used to empower the working class, his defence of freedom in our country and the world, his beautiful 1992 tribute to Nelson Mandela, and end by testing the claim of his adversaries that he is the father of political violence.

 
Ewart 2019-05-20 20:19:11 

In reply to jacksprat

Saw it. Expected nothing less from the fawning Mr. Brown.

NOTE: Manley fought Shearer for power 1972. No war.

Manley fought Seaga for power 1989. No war.

But 2,000 Jamaicans were killed in political civil war between 1976 and 1980 while Seaga was fighting to remove Manley from power.

If Seaga had not organised Shearer out of the party leadership, there would have been no civil war.



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Chrissy 2019-05-21 00:24:06 

In reply to jacksprat
I stopped reading that rubbish quickly

 
Casper 2019-05-21 00:57:13 

In reply to Chrissy

PM Holness said he told Papa Eddie that you send him your love, keeping him in your prayers and that things are going hunky dory in Ja.

 
Chrissy 2019-05-21 01:00:30 

In reply to Casper

lol lol

 
nitro 2019-05-21 12:25:41 

In reply to Chrissy

You people having me despising this man the more i read about him. He created some good but he seems to be one of the creators of Jamaica's terrible gun violence.

 
Chrissy 2019-05-21 14:10:18 

In reply to nitro

He was the architect for gun violence in Jamaica

 
np 2019-05-23 18:52:00 

In reply to jacksprat

Mr. Sprat ... I know you don't believe all of that from Orville Brown ...
Sure Eddie Blinds did a few good t'ings, but the man was a sellout of JA in the longterm (1979/80 - 89ish under Reagan's guidance) during the Caribbean Basin Initiative (CBI).
Actions that are not to be forgiven - even in his now critical situation. Furthermore .. he via that same period was the architect of gunrunning in West Kingston

 
Ewart 2019-05-23 21:00:16 

In reply to np

For journalists, opinion writing is a special art -- even if you want to be partisan.

Orville Brown is proof conclusive, if needed, that Calabar High School did not always produce (and here I quote lines from the School Song) men who are


"True as steel
In our zeal
For the honour of our school"


OR that not everybody has the capacity to understand the limitations of opinion without facts.

OR that donkey should not run in horse race.

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BeatDball 2019-05-24 00:39:24 

In reply to Casper Very moving! Thank you PM Holiness.

cool

 
jacksprat 2019-05-24 12:41:56 

In reply to np

Mr. Sprat ... I know you don't believe all of that from Orville Brown ...

Sharing it should not be confused with an endorsement.

You are preaching to a member of the choir when it comes to Seaga and the number he did on Jamaica.

 
np 2019-05-24 17:36:26 

In reply to jacksprat

Seen, and understood brother ... never had any doubts!! big grin big grin

One Love!!

 
Hanover 2019-06-02 21:11:14 

In modern politics, leaders are rarely measured based on the principle of creating, or contributing to the creation of, the just city; instead, they are generally celebrated, by their supporters, for the mere incidence of political party leadership – as Franklin Roosevelt supposedly said, the leader may be a SOB, but he is our SOB. If leaders are measured on the basis of their challenge to overcome despair of the fundamentals of the just city, then, within the last 50 years, one leader, Mikhail Gorbachev, stands tall above all others. In the case of Eddie Seaga, if not for the just city, by what fact or standard should he be measured?

 
Hanover 2019-06-19 13:51:32 

Four days of mourning for “hard man fi dead”.

 
Chrissy 2019-06-19 14:26:44 

In reply to Hanover

Some mourn - some celebrate.

 
DonD 2019-06-19 15:17:25 

In reply to Hanover

When will Seaga's body be interred? Seems as if the Labour govt. is more interested in ensuring that as many Jamaicans as possible have a chance to view his flag draped casket. I find it interesting that they didn't see fit to send his body to Montego Bay by Mule and Cart or by canoe. Afterall, the man was supposed to epitomize our culture and heritage. In the old days they would wrap up his body in a mat or crocus bag and send it down to Mo Bay.

On a more serious note. I read Trevor Munro's brief critique of his work. I thought Trevor did a very good job. The one thing missing was Seaga's significant contribution at the 1987 Vancouver Commonwealth conference where he supported Brian Mulroney in his effort against Margaret Thatcher. Thatcher opposed the commonwealth's campaign to impose sanction against South Africa. Anyway, Blinds, terrible as he may be, a summady pickney too. May his soul RIP.

 
Chrissy 2019-06-19 15:50:44 

In reply to DonD

Well as di people are saying, di empty casket was in MoBay too.

Word is they were planning a father's Day burial but someone in di party asked dem if dem lick dem head.
Party insiders also seh dat di death certificate shows a different date.

 
DonD 2019-06-19 16:03:02 

In reply to Chrissy
So wait!! them never open the casket in Tivoli so that the people them could peep pon him and worship him?

 
Hanover 2019-06-19 16:51:25 

In reply to DonD

Well, the death of a cow is the dinner to a crow…
Is the JLP using Seaga’s death, as one of the means of activating its base to call the next big one earlier than early?

I have not read Munroe’s article. Can you confirm if he said anything about 1983 to 1989? Recall, the JLP, under Blinds, controlled 100 percent of the Jamaican Parliament.

 
DonD 2019-06-19 17:18:12 

In reply to Hanover

I believe Munro's article was on June 10th in the Gleaner on line. He did commend Blinds on appointing "independent" Senators following the non contested election in 1983 so as to add an element of "opposition" in the upper Chamber.

 
Hanover 2019-06-19 18:48:45 

In reply to DonD

Thanks, man. I might not read it and weep, but, hopefully, I will read it and learnsmile

 
Chrissy 2019-06-19 19:18:20 

In reply to DonD

And dem vex yuh see

 
Chrissy 2019-06-19 19:20:07 

In reply to DonD

TM is mi brethren but seriously - it was a non-contested election because said Seaga committed to a new voters list and then called it. Manley correctly refused to participate.
In reality it was the only one party government in independent Jamaica

 
nitro 2019-06-19 19:38:33 

RIP One Done.

 
Ewart 2019-06-19 21:45:22 

In reply to Chrissy

I believe Michael also had another objective. He had had time to step back and reflect on the bloody horrors the country had been through since 1976. And he felt that some more time was needed for cooling off.

This married well with the voters' list situation.


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mikesiva 2019-06-21 12:53:42 

In reply to Ewart

An interesting read

 
Ewart 2019-06-21 14:20:02 

In reply to mikesiva

Not only interesting but true... with the exception of two or three inexact dates. For instance, the PNP was not an opposition party between its formation in 1938 and 1943 when the JLP was formed, or 1944 when JLP won the first election. That is when PNP became opposition. There was only one party up to then.

The creation of political, partisanship, then, was a creature of Bustamante and the BITU out of which he formed the JLP whose only goal was to obstruct and defeat the PNP.


But Campbell is right when he points to books like Born Fi Dead by Laurie Gunst and A short History of Seven Killings (if you have not read them you should!) This latter by Marlon James begins with the killing/death of Ken Jones at the JLP retreat at Sunset Lodge Hotel in 1963, and is a very thinly disguised account of what went on in Jamaica in the seventies and who was behind it.

Fascinating stuff, if you can stomach it.

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Chrissy 2019-06-21 14:22:49 

In reply to mikesiva

A very good read. I know Horace

 
Chrissy 2019-06-21 14:25:00 

In reply to Ewart
Check out Floyd Morris' response to that crap from Finson

 
Ewart 2019-06-21 14:39:06 

In reply to Chrissy

Today's Gleaner?

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Ewart 2019-06-21 14:48:02 

OK... Nationwide. I found it. Solid response.


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Ewart 2019-06-23 21:17:58 

So, dat is the end of dat.




Can the island now look forward to a recovery?

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Chrissy 2019-06-23 22:12:53 

In reply to Ewart

Phew! I heard more fake tributes than I saw fake hair and the latter was everywhere wink

 
Chrissy 2019-06-23 22:14:48 

In reply to Ewart

By the way the Gleaner had a piece pointing out that there are so many Jamaicans who work in Florida hospitals that people may want to correct a certain date,
Truth will out

 
Ewart 2019-06-24 01:24:53 

In reply to Chrissy

Would not be surprising to me. A revisionist from way back.


One night the Gleaner's Hansard reporters were surprised to see him come upstairs Gordon House to the Hansard Room. He asked to see a certain part of the official record and when he saw it he ran his pen through it.

What was it?

Agriculture Minister John Gyles had had two or three too many drinks at supper and during the session to our astonishment, he had danced out into the aisle between the parties, singing a little rum song, a cherubic smile on his face.

Maas Eddie wanted to make sure that did not become a part of the actual record.

Apart from me, there are three people still alive who were there that night.


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Chrissy 2019-06-24 01:32:17 

In reply to Ewart

lol lol lol

 
Ewart 2019-06-24 01:50:10 

In reply to Chrissy


Check your PM.


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