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...puts pressure on the lower order later on and also the accompanying batsman.

This is why I don't like Shai Hope playing LO.

Nine straight dot balls

In reply to jahmekyah

Now the commies are talking about it.

Shai takes "batting thru the innings" literally.

Shai needs to reduce significantly the percentage of dot balls.

In reply to Courtesy

he got what 20sinting dots already

if he bats thru the innings it could easily get to 10 overs plus for him alone

that's pressure on others

In reply to Courtesy

Let the man bat.

In reply to doosra

Every dot ball is a resource wasted. The problem with this ultra slow start strategy is that Shai must always bat deep. This is not possible. If he gets out after eating so many dot balls we will always be at a disadvantage.

Pressure, pressure. I Hope no pipes are ruptured in the process.

where is Chase going to bat in this scheme ?

In reply to Courtesy

17 overs bowled

HOPE 37 DOT BALLS

37 - 6.1 Overs

He got to try and rotare it, the big shots are not needed ...

In reply to Kay

Except, he's not playing big shots

In reply to doosra

Too many dot balls.

Now if any batsman is picking the spinners it should not be that difficult to rotate the strike because you can get into position early and manoeuvre the ball.

It should not be that difficult turning 50 percent of these do balls to singles.

end of 18th

40 dot balls from Hope

I prefer if we not lose a wicket however Shai is not rotating very well right now.

In reply to doosra

Luckily, Hety has eased off the pressure for the moment with what can be recorded as a great T20 SR.

In reply to WIForever

that is negative cricket

prefer not to lose wicket?

man this game doh play like that

u play to advance your position

40 dot balls for 1 batsman in the first 18 overs is just too many for any situation

In reply to Courtesy

i hope Hety does not feel the need to be ATLAS...let every man carry his own burden lol

end of 19th, 42 dots ball Hope

In reply to doosra

What's strange is Hope came off the drinks break with the same strategy, which tells me that the brains trust is happy with the approach.

They will be playing T20 cricket after 30 overs. It seems this is the team strategy.

Poor Hety. The pressure is on him to keep scoring quickly.

In reply to Courtesy

they play the plan...bat long lash out at the end

a better plan would be to move the game steadily forward

Hety 50 off 50 with 5 4s and 1 6

now push thru youngster

steady

In reply to doosra

I concur. The more reasonable options the better.

The West Indies are putting all their eggs in one basket.

SR less than 50 is unacceptable for ODI plan or no plan!

Shai doing what he has to right now.

Little more than run a ball needed to win with Pooran and Pollard to come. Keep turning it over Shai

He will catch 2nd gear and help win the match for us

Hety has actually saved Shai Hope here.

All u skunts want is slam bam.

In reply to LBW375
It is much easier to get wickets when the batsmen have to attack, so it is not a good idea to force your team into that situation.

In reply to LBW375

binary brain

it's not either slam bam or dot

Keep turning the strike Shai, Hety on a roll

In reply to camos

They following the team plan

Drop Shai from ODI cricket. He bats too slow and soaks up too many dot balls.

In reply to LBW375

What is that? For Hety to go guns a blazing and gets out while Shai blocks at the other end??

Same thing me say.....

In reply to StumpCam

So you think they discuss an approach and Hope just go play his own way and Pollard keep including him the XI just so ?

Hes playing according to what has been planned

In reply to LBW375

Mate, no mordern worth his salt bats so slowly after 80 balls. None.

In the interest of team that SR has to be improved significantly batting that long.

WI will not be hugely successful with this strategy. It is fraught with risks.

In reply to LBW375

the so called hard hitters need time to get their eyes in, not fair to a guy to come in and start blazing when other people had all day.

like right now when Hetty looking at a ton Hope should accelerate .

Courtesey, you are not taking WI batting capabilities into the account. I love Hope and Chase in the team clearly for his stick ability. WI has amazing strikers in the lineup but unreliable. If one end is secure we might win more than when we have both ends scoring good clip.

Our strength is our hitters and we need competent batsmen around them to facilitate their hitting

This is definitely too slow, but thank God Hety is there so the team is in a good position.

But boy..this looks bad..rell bad

In reply to Pacy
banking on hitters is a hit and miss plan

u need a more steady plan than that

In reply to Pacy

I buy that Pacy...but it is solving a consequence of a problem. This is not a long term solution.

We need to find capable batsmen. This strategy has limited benfits.

Fair point and we know he can ramp it up to 80s and 90s. Right now he plays according to the plan

In reply to doosra

When I say hitters, I am not talking about the Pollards and Russel's Doosra. Even some of our frontline batsmen, Evin Lewis, Hety, Pooran all can score at great clip. So if we have one end secure we should get good scores.

In reply to doosra

exactly!

In reply to Courtesy

I agree that we need to find capable batsmen but seeing our U19 teams performance, I think we might have to make the best use of what we have for atleast another 5-6 years

In reply to Pacy

You will be throwing away advantage with this strategy with the consistent ODI teams.

In reply to Pacy

Still the strategy attempts to solve a consequence of a problem and does not deal with the actual problem. As a professional planner, I hope you understand and appreciate my admonition.

In reply to Courtesy

50+ dots to get to 50 is poor batting

In reply to doosra

...under any ODI metric.

In reply to Courtesy

I agree with your long term view, but as a practical person, I would want to just make the best use of the talent we have today until we get the ideal talent.

In reply to Pacy

I can't argue against this very short term approach. Credit Hety to make this approach work.

In reply to Courtesy

hope is close to 3000 odi runs

he must want to take it up a notch

no more dots to the end

come on Hope

Good teams will want to keep Shai Hope batting at this stage. Let him eat up dot balls. Drop catches off him even.

about 15 dot balls in the last 5 overs

is this batting?

you know what, in a chase Hope approach is more acceptable than when setting a target.

The killer here is the RR 6.47.

Then again, the cowslashers will take care of that.

I love Hope, but this is simply not good batting. While we need stability, the share number of dot balls is inexcusable.
We criticized Gayle when he soaked up dots even though he had the ability to go on to 200 strike rate in no time.

Good shot by Shai.

Hope has faced 20 more balls and scored 42 less runs than Hety at this stage.

Tap it now Hety

200 second wicket!

In reply to Courtesy

Courtney, how you so ears-hard?

Didn't I explain the ROLES of the various

Batters?

In reply to Yadi

Oh rass

Prof Yadi reach....

Allyuh taking an oddity and using it as a template.

I wouldn't call you fools.

In reply to Yadi

It seems the coach's plan worked.

In reply to Courtesy

Well said, I've said it every time he plays an innings like this.

Most of them end up in losses for WI, and almost every time if you up the SR to run a ball for those innings he faces 100 balls or more, it makes the difference between winning and losing.

6 out of 10 times this type of innings will cost u a game

In reply to Courtesy

Hope taking this easy victory and making it into an exciting and uncertain finish!

In reply to DIEHARD

You are being overly generous here. Hety's innings would happen in less than 20 percent of the time. This is simply an oddity...thanks to Hety.

Link

Bish on Shai: "Yes the SR is not where it should be." This is not De Coutesy saying this.

Dis done.

Hope turn up. Congrats.

In reply to Courtesy

100 up. Probably did not cost us much because of Hetmyer's knock.

666666

And 4444444

And 100!!!!!

Hope says kys

In reply to voiceofreason

It's really an oddity. All the front line ODI batsmen are striking at a much higher rate. Think also of when we need to put runs on the board. Good post.

In reply to Courtesy

we bad so

sr of 65 win you games

onwards upwards

congrats to Shai

In reply to Courtesy

Save the apology till a next time

Because you are too embarrassed now.

In reply to doosra

No knowledgeable West Indies cricket supporter would harp about an ODI strike rate of 65 in this mrdern era. None.

In reply to Courtesy

see with yadi

he seh u shai

Shiv got the same




Cursing

In reply to doosra

Let me remind them that I called for the fast tracking of Shai Hope into West Indies cricket.

I am being brutally honest here. This strategy is not the best in mordern ODI era of cricket...at the very least a SR of 80 is acceptable for front line batsman. Only fools would turn an oddity into a template.

This is really a no brainer.

Bat ya bat Shai. Here we want batsmen to learn to spend time at the crease. Shai fall at anytime and we probably dot get close to the score. Hit or miss cricket have failed us for 3 decades or more now. Shai wasn't bothered like the fans were.

In reply to Courtesy

These people don’t realize that Hetmyer had to score at twice the rate of Shai for WI to stay in this match! That is the salient point!

In reply to StumpCam

It's an oddity. Let us thank Hety and the benefit of hindsight.

In reply to Courtesy

man i see a set a people praising a 65 sr 100

hety saved the damn day

and 65 sr will only get you 200 a day

this is what it is ...people talking bout role nd what not

In reply to doosra

It's as simple as what you said above.

These Hety innings don't come that often. Hety deserves full praise here and I am an ardent Shai supporter. Sometimes the nuances escape us. This cannot be a template.

In reply to StumpCam

How many on the team willing to bat 20 or 30 overs though. You can so much more when you know support is on the other end. This is not 20/20 we need more players to spend time at the crease. The runs will come.

In order to make runs, you have to be at the wicket. His confidence and strike rate will improve. He did well for the team.

Congrats all!!!

In reply to Courtesy

I actually did the stats the last time I discussed centuries with low SRs, think I looked at centuries scored in 2018 and early 2019 and context really played a big part.

Centuries with SR < 80 didn't guarantee defeat like I thought, and featured in a few more wins than I expected

In reply to StumpCam

Shai & Hetty are planning for the same

team.

Hope's role is to provide STABILITY.

Hetty's role is to play his shots.

In reply to DIEHARD

Thank you.

[b]In reply to Courtesy[/b

Wuh wrong wid you? You ever played representative cricket for anyone?...tell de truth now.....man you always know what somebody should or should not do.......please enjoy the victory.....

Too many dot balls, but the batting-glue is invaluable.

I want Hope to score faster and he can by adjusting slightly. He doesn't have to go for the big shots (and he has all of them...see the straight over the head six) he needs to adopt the Lara method...placement is key. That being said Hope in my team everyday and twice pon Sunday. Don't discard a world class product, work to perfect it.

Today Hope might have been slower than usual because Hetty was on fire and in that situation you don't give India hope by losing wickets.

In reply to Trinidave

Absolutely. Dais all the strategic thinkers are saying.

In reply to Courtesy

A commentator is a paid opinion. It is not necessarily factual but each of us are entitled to our opinion.
At the end of the day we are all Monday morning quarter backs but the game was handsomely won by WI. The stars were aligned today and now we live for another day.

In reply to Courtesy

Simple. I see everything you said as constructive criticism. Don't understand why ppl are saying Hope has haters. The only thing I disagree with is the 80 SR. I think Hope can serve us much better if he bats in 70s and ends his innings in the 80s. Not consistently batting in the 50s and closing in the 60s.
Worked here today but isn't going to work everywhere and especially if chasing 300+ totals.
Let's see his approach throughout the series.

In reply to Cardiac

It would be downright crass for me to argue against the above.

In reply to Oilah

When one partner is on a roll, you play your role by being solid and holding the other end. Partner can play more freely knowing that other end is secured, rather having to deal with frequent outs and nervous new batsmen coming and going because the public told them to also get on with it.

So much bullshit theory being posted by some others here. It is NOT constructive, irregardless how they chop and change the yardstick. Goal is to navigate till near the end. Under 7 per over with 5 overs or so left is a breeze for any professional outfit.

In reply to goofballs

Let's see how successful we will become in ODIs in the modern game with this 78 dot balls for a front line player with this template.

The comments here (most of them) are made with the benefit of hindsight. There is nothing strategic to them. It's based on pure emotion.

The more discernible ones look for empirical evidence like what is West Indies/or any other team win/loss ratio with one of its main batsmen string at a 65 rate after batting thru the innings with 78 or so dot balls.

In reply to goofballs

If your partner is going ballistic he'd be better served with getting the strike. Hard to see how that would be achieved if self preservation by dot ball accumulation is the plan.

Champion teams, not just in sport, review, critique and see where they can improve on even after successful ventures/victories.

In reply to Cardiac

I regret there are no "thumbs up" emoticons.

In reply to Cardiac, Courteous One

Many years ago, before most of you were even born, I used to think like y'all.
Then I said surely the #4 batter, usually one of the most aggressive one, will make us lose the World Cup.

Link Text

Played with a plan.
I don't know how to calculate strike rate. Did Hope beat him?

In reply to Courtesy

I agree with you. Not because we won today mean it's ok. This is why guys like Kohli & Rohit Sharma is on another level in ODI cricket. The longer them guys bat, is the more blows you start to take. Shai scoring rate stays the same whether he on 50 or 100. Gotta do better than that.

A man occupying 150 balls in modern cricket should be able to win you the match almost on his own.

In reply to jen

It is as simple as you put it. This cannot be an ODI template moving forward. To be competitive or successful you have to match or better your competitors.

I saw clearly where they were attempting to give him most of the strike to increase the RRR.

In reply to Courtesy

I think Hope was slow today because Hetty was going well and he didn't need to up the scoring rate much.

I think it's obvious that if India had scored more runs we would have seen a bit more urgency from him.

I see that innings as one that shows he understands the game, he's maturing, and understanding he doesn't need to rush when chasing totals. Especially when the rate is easily achievable.

In reply to Yadi

No need to thank me.

It still will occasionally cost you game.

It worked today, context, so I'm not going to knock it today.

But also not going to say he's the best thing since sliced bread cos of that average, cos his SR is godawful

In reply to Gun_Play

Shai's SR was in the 20's up the the 11th over.

Just thank Hety. This has nothing to do with any strategic approach by Shai. If it were this will fail more often than succeed.
He must learn to rotate the strike. Four singles an over in the early going is not asking too much for a professional batsman.

In reply to Courtesy

it was in the 50s or below for 95% of the innings

but as they say, it was situation

In reply to Courtesy

Dem used to give instructions to run out Boycott!

I don't think we have the luxury to lose wickets by giving it away. Our batting is not truly proven yet. The later order batsmen can come in and finish by accelerating the rate, once wickets in hand.

In reply to doosra

Shai takes anchoring the innings literally...no matter what the situation, just don't get out.

In reply to Courtesy

you are expecting too much of shai

from world cup to now

15 inningshe's gone 80+ sr once...yep 1 in 15 and 3/15 (20%) over 70 sr

In reply to Courtesy

Imagine trying this tactics in Australia where the boundaries are much harder to clear and we have 300 to chase

Interestingly, in that WC, I see one of our most dominant openers, Greenidge, scored 13 off 61.
He surely cost us that match.

In reply to jen

You are clearly seeing the wood from the trees...rotation of strike...finding the gaps...running well and hard between the wicket. There will be times when it will be difficult for the big hitters to clear the boundary.

In reply to jen

Great discussions here. Sharing of points of views.

Well, until just the other day we couldn't last i.e. bat out.
So we building stamina first rather than the premature jacks, work with all of the batting to improve, and with time we can be more aggressive.
We can't afford to right now.
Any winning strategy involves gluing/steadying the innings, someone batting deep.
Not everyone is a Rohit and Kohli or Warner and Finch or whosoever it is now, or the English guys who can score fast and not pop out.

In reply to goofballs

How many ODIs has Shai played? He is no novice at international level.

64.

This is more than sufficient times at international level to have learnt these skills and mature.

In reply to Trinidave

Trinidave say soh !

In reply to Courtesy

Not talking about Shai in the post immediately above.
Weak, inexperienced, immature batsmen need to develop. Experienced, skilled bat like Hope needs to be the captain on the ship and not jump out/get out early.

In reply to goofballs

I apologize profusely if I took you out of context. Once again, my humble apology.

In reply to Courtesy

Nah Man. Mea culpa!
Maybe, as usual, I wasn't clear.
I meant to say that most of the rest of the batting is inexperienced or immature or had been lacking staying power. Hence need for a glue.



Maybe this could be a reference to Shai, but he is not in attack mode/class like the below mentioned guys:

In reply to DIEHARD

West Indies Knew the amount of runs we

we're chasing ... we stayed ahead of

the DL par. And we won quite easily.

In reply to goofballs

It's difficult to argue that Shai's ODI SR is acceptable in this modern era.

I also understand the need for a "proverbial glue" because of our unpredictable and sometimes fragile batting but that "glue" can also be achieved by minimizing his dot ball percentage. There are just too many. In the context of this match it did not hurt us but this cannot be the norm moving forward.

In reply to Courtesy

Ok. We could always ketchup on the run rate as we have many who could drop a few quick blows before popping but not necessarily having staying power. Harder or longer staying?

Of course, being aware of, and creating singles is very important in any format but without committing suicide or running out Gayle.

In reply to goofballs

The difficulty with this approach is after batting in such a pedestrian manner he gets out facing 15-20 overs with 30 runs on the board with 60 or more dot balls and we don't have a Hety like performance and we are putting runs on the board. This is not an unlikely scenario...is it?

In reply to Courtesy

First, let me say this:

I did not come up with the West

Indies one day strategy,

It was only after reading what

Royston Chase revealed that Pillars

said to him that I was able to piece

together the plan.

In reply to Courtesy

When a poster suggested that Chase should

be able to throw caution to the wind &

just swing - I suggested that it would

be wiser to promote Holder or Paul or

both in the batting order if big hitting

is what is required.

In reply to Courtesy

You need to accept the fact that India

is a MUCH STRONGER TEAM than the West

Indies in all formats of the game.

A d in both the BATTING &BOWLING

departments.

In reply to Courtesy

West Indies got LUCKY today BECAUSE

we got RID of the top three batsmen in

the match rather cheaply.

In reply to goofballs

Those three early wickets were what

prevented India from scoring at a much

higher run-rate.


Note: 241 off 20 - in the final T-20.

In reply to goofballs

The MODEST Indian total was the main

contributing factor that facilitated

a controlled rather than a frenetic

Run Chase.

In reply to goofballs

Additionally the Indians were playing

with HOME "Umpire" Advantage.

In reply to Courtesy

Note: India batted all 50 overs

NOT A SINGLE BATSMAN out LBW.

In reply to Courtesy

West Indies begin our reply & Ambris

Flick two fours ... He flicked again ...

but missed: All of a sudden LBW start

play again.

In reply to Courtesy

The West Indies players understand

what they are up against ...

Any excuse any umpire got to seShai ...they would take it.

In reply to goofballs

Hence the numerous FAKE APPEALS for

Run-outs that did not exist.

In reply to Courtesy

Jades was run-out fare & square ...

Initially the umpire refused to send him.

But when faced with the TRUTH of the

Big Screen replay ... he eventually referred it.

In reply to Courtesy

Miss Courtesey,

Up to now Kholi still ah cuss.

Great TEAM EFFORT!

In reply to Courtesy

Hope and Hety scored 218 runs partnership off of 203 balls that is the scoring rate you should be looking at. Cricket is a team game.

In reply to dclar301
Learning is on-going, the more Shai plays, his SR will improve.
We've been losing for so long with he Power hitters in this format, it is good to see Shai, not trying to be like Hetty and the other Beat-ballers.
Good partnership, congrats Windies.

Oddity says Diehard with stats.

Allyuh get a lil' perspective of what discernible posters aver about slow SRs and how they provide stats to demonstrate the strong correlation between low SR and a team's chances of winning.

Now I have enough of the one track mind fools here. Even in the face of stats they will continue to bury their heads in the sand.

The modern version of the game is rapidly changing before or very eyes...stay connected.

I swear this MB has the most jackasses.

Shai Hope batting slow to protect a team that is prone to crumbling is not solving the problem. The real problem which needs solving is to produce more consistent batsmen.

We cannot continue attempting to solve a consequence of a problem. This will take us no where fast. This is what allyuh are doing..."Shai must bat slow because other batsmen are unreliable."

Fools.

In reply to Courtesy

Today, because we let India bat first

we KNEW how fast we needed to go to be

competitive. Mathematically, we would

have been in trouble in two ways:

#1.) If we noticed that the required run

rate kept steadily climbing.

#2.) Since we played the EXTRA BOWLER -

if we lost our FRONTLINE BATSMEN too

quickly.

In reply to Courtesy

Each cricket match needs to be analyzed

by the specific situations that arise.

In reply to Courtesy

For example ... If Captain Pillars had

decided to BAT after he won the toss.

In that SITUATION your arguments would

be 100% valid.

In reply to Courtesy

Because the side batting first has no

idea to what extent they need to take

RISKS in order to build a winning score.

In reply to Courtesy

Imagine a Time Trial in a Bicycle race.

In reply to Courtesy

The rider that goes first needs to

constantly push himself to the LIMIT.

In reply to Courtesy

Conversely, the rider that goes last - his

team will have all the information of the

previous riders that have already completed

the course.

In reply to Courtesy

Armed with the his information & knowing

his own ability on that type of course

relative to his opponents he can gauge the

amount of energy he needs to exert in order

to remain competitive in the General

Classification.

In reply to Courtesy

This is EXTREMELY HIGH MATH ...

Because there are too many variables

weather changes ... wind direction ...etc

Therefore although the course is the

same distance for all riders, the physical

conditions are subject to change.

In reply to Courtesy

So ... To cut a long story short ...

A win is a win

is a win.

Accept it & let's move on to the next match.

In reply to Courtesy

Thanks, I know I already looked up the stats

In reply to DIEHARD

Interesting stats. I am always guided by any empirical evidence.

Yes there are other variables to be considered but it's not like Shai's batting is situation dependent. He bats slowly all the time with an exceedingly high percentage of dot balls..

In reply to Yadi

Glad to see you around and paying keen attention, Bro.

Don't worry about dem. Talk yuh talk, Man!

Btw, is there any batsman as established or with better skills than Shai? I don't know.
I will forget that he dissed Gayle trying to run sharp singles.
He did try then.

In reply to Courtesy

Here is your batting team to solve the Shai 'SR' problem,if there is one.

1.Lewis
2.Pooran
3.Hetmyer
4.Pollard
5.Hope
6.Ambris
7.Holder
8.Chase

Is that line up what you want to see from this day forward? If so why?

In reply to Courtesy

Same, i went searching to justify my position that a century scored at such a a rate in the modern era is sure to consign a team to defeat.

So imagine my surprise...when i realised this is not so.

Hope gave us another one yesterday to put a hole in the argument, but i'm glad i could see this one live, because this adds another variable or gives us the caveat that such a century can only conrtibute to a win if you have another batsmen making x amount of runs at a SR > 130 like Hetmyer yesterday..i wish i still had those innings readily available to see what the caveat may be, when i find the time, i just might, but that won't be now or today

In reply to DIEHARD

Shai Hope's slowness was counter-balanced by Hety"s brilliance. This T20 SR achieved by Hety will not be a usual occurrence in ODI cricket hence the need for Shai to step up his game by improving his strike rate and reducing his dot ball percentage if West Indies are to be consistent and competitive at this level. Yesterday's win was against the grain - it's an oddity. Hety scored his scored his runs yesterday at a fancied T20 pace.

My position on this thread is not premised on hating Shai Hope or not appreciating a West Indies win...it's the planner's blood in me. I have always looked to improve any given situation. "Good, better, best never let them..." and most importantly, I think along the lines of Jonathan Livingston Seagull.

On another note, I have learnt quickly to filter/avoid all the noise and nonsense from fools on this MB.

In reply to Courtesy

One extremely important STATISTIC that

you and Mr DIEHARD might have missed is

the fact that; Indian Spinner bowled 192

of the 290 balls bowled to West Indies

without taking a single wicket.

In reply to DIEHARD

It has been reported in the media that

this is the first time this has been

done on Indian soil, in a One Day match.

In reply to Yadi

No, we didn't miss that, I just pulled stats on ODI centuries.

And also acknowledged that there are tons of variables at play in those stats.

I never ran away from the fact that context plays a big part.

My only issue is with those looking at Hope's average while ignoring his sub par SR.

As I said, it only reflects poorly on him as a batsman.

And it will keep us in games, wont always win them for us.

Kudos to him though

In reply to Yadi

Tell dem cricket is a team game and the collective sum is more important than any spotlighted individual.
A plan was in place and it worked out perfectly.

Should situations have changed I am sure there would have been modifications according to the weather (situation), when to take cover, when to race, etc. We were just cruising and people find fault wid dat.
Never a moment did I have to question our pacing of the innings re run rate. We had this, unless Hope or Hety got out and everybody panicked or play like Hety of old or their typical WIndian way of Slam, Bam,Padam, Klatax, OUT!(most still do)

In reply to Courtesy

Courtesy.. maaan.

we won.

yes there is room for debate so i am not dismissing your prop but we all know that Hety and other high strike rate hitters have failed more often than not.

Hety has unlocked some good stuff and thats what should be celebrated...hence his MOM award.


WI always needs a solid Batting Anchor....

In reply to powen001

Powen, anyhow you slice and dice this, eating up 78 dot balls in an ODI out of 151 balls faced is unacceptable. I hasten to add that Shai's overall dot ball percentage after 65 innings is 54.1...worse than yesterday's performance.

This is the stark reality and West Indies win/loss ratio is not anything to write home about. Does this necessitate business as usual? You can answer this privately. I can put this argument to rest right there and then. The necessity for Shai and anyone front line batsman with similar stats for stepping up on SR and reducing dot balls has been justified.

However, you and persons of your ilk here are arguing from the perspective of a win in one match. Yes, from this very limited perspective. The overall evidence speaks much differently.

I started this thread before the 25th over when Shai's SR was bordering on less than 50. The inside edge past his stumps brought his SR to slightly over 50 for the first time in the match.

Further, it is not that Shai has adopted a different approach in the past. Is it unreasonable to ask any batsman who eats up a plethora of do balls religiously to work on reducing it? With his skill level this should not be that difficult.

From the context of one match, this is not the ideal perch to wage an argument and justify a slowpoke batting. That perspective I dare say, is as limited and myopic as a dunce in kindergarten. Think beyond today...I have been trained to do just that...look down the road. It's high time Shai starts reducing on the dot balls. And this vewpoint is not restricted to a match we won.

The same slippery posters here would have come down on Shai like a ton of bricks for his slow scoring had we lost this match and I can prove it. Many of them have been critical of his slowpoke in the past and again, I can prove it without a doubt. Two-faced hypocrites. You shall be exposed. Here is your long rope...

"The same slippery posters here would have come down on Shai like a ton of bricks for his slow scoring"

So true!

In reply to natty_forever

West Indies were behind in this game

only at and about the fall of Ambris

wicket.

WTF..."dis game, dis game."

The argument and perspective goes way beyond "this game" and it is backed by data.

In reply to Yadi

And what if Hety had a brain fart as usual. It worked because of Hety and because Hope batted the entire 50 overs. Has he done that before and will require to do so every game if he is going to score at such a rate.

In reply to Courtesy

OK ... there is another game coming up

this Wednesday, except the Indians to

play much harder cricket. Let's see

how the next game plays out.

In reply to Courtesy

TriniD cyah believe allyuh still going on about dis.

TriniD said, earlier dat we have tuh look at minimizing de dot balls, but in ah team of dashers like Pooran, Hetty, Campbell, Polly, de glue is invaluable.

AND, dot balls only matter if you lose de phorquene game. West Indies won. Although dis is not T20, you must keep in mind dat West Indies won TWO WORLD CUPs in T20, even though their dot ball count was higher dan most countries. So what is de lesson? Dot balls don't mean crap if you can manage tuh win.


So 78 dot balls is bad, but IT IS ACCEPTABLE if you win. Dat is de goal right?


ALSO: De wicket was difficult. Ro-facting-hit Sharma, de best ODI batsman in de world scored 30-someting off 50-someting balls, so batting wasn't as easy as Hetty made it seem.

De more Hope bats, de better he will get, the more confidence he will have, and he'll reduce de amount of dot balls, but tuh act like yuh rather not have him, and have someone else come in and score 22 wid no dot balls, makes no sense.

Again "dis game, dis game" WTF think beyond one game.

Think strategically. If I give you one fish for one day I am not feeding you. Winning one game is not what this is thread is all about.

In reply to Trinidave

Yet to see a poster asking him to sit for someone else, maybe i missed it

In reply to DIEHARD



I missed it too. It's the sort of emotional shit devoid of truth and logic that we get here that I have been able to blank.

I am one of Shai Hope's biggest supporters here.

In reply to Courtesy
Why don't you work on getting one world class player, ifrom the Windwards, and stop critiquing players from other Islands?

In reply to openning

A big man like you posting this shit above and getting personal. Man, elicit some respect here instead of posting this codswallop above.

You joined me when I critiqued Bishoo, didn't you? It's OK when I criticized a Guyanese or Blackwood but not a bajan...bloody hypocrite.

You can get vex all you want. I call it as I see it...unlike you. You don't have that ability to critique constructively anyway.

In reply to Courtesy
Bro, I even critique Kraigg Brathwaite and many other Bajans.
I even was cussed at a cricket game, when I said Ashley Nurse is lucky to be selected for a Barbados team.
This Cricket need the support of all Caricom countries, we cannot sit and wait another hundred years, to get world class players, from the Windwards.
I will be coming after any fan from the Windwards, who go after other Caricom, players.
Fix the cricket, then join the conversation.

In reply to Courtesy

De best strategy is tuh play to your strengths, and tuh optimize your strengths. You do not need to be perfect in all aspects, but you need to do what you do best as ah team.

Of course reducing the number of dot balls is advantageous, but if you can win and continue winning like dis, den de dot balls doh matter.

Like TriniD said, WI won de T20 even though dey had a very high dot-ball count.

In reply to openning

WTF...isn't Windwards not part of Caricom?. Why target Windwards? What has Windwards done to you? "Those whom the gods seek to destroy they first make then mad." Boy, behave like a rational being man.

Why are you so flustered and incoherent? Man your are too stupid with all this drivel.

In reply to Courtesy
I've gone after the BCA, for not producing a batsman, since Dessie.
I am tired of Point, and now you, going after the Board and players, yet the Windwards is the only Partner, not contributing a world class player, to move the cricket forward.
Enjoy the cricket, help the Windwards, then come back with your critiques.
This is a goodbye to you postings on cricket, until the Windwards produce a world class cricketer.

In reply to openning

Man talk a long walk to cool out. Are bajans beyond criticism? Why didn't you come to Bishoo or Blackwood's rescue?

I will go easy on you for obvious reasons, differently able, handicap and all...it's not worth it. You have already exposed yourself as the incoherent jackass that you are and this is good enough for me.

Have this as your Christmas gift.

In reply to Trinidave

Sweeter than calypso.