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Did we win because or in spite of Shai Hopes
2019-12-15 16:24:50
2019-12-15 16:28:50
In reply to Larr Pullo
Had Shai gotten out early the middle order would have been exposed earlier. Pooran might have centuried or they could have been a slide. I dunno 
2019-12-15 16:30:49
Need a man to anchor one end so the others can go for it, my opinion 
2019-12-15 16:33:52
Someone had to play sheet anchor, and hope did it beautifully today
2019-12-15 16:39:42
Because of...and Hetmeyer's ton. 
2019-12-15 16:42:20
Shai did his job
2019-12-15 16:43:16
If shai didnt see off the swing of those new ball we wouldn't have won.
Hetty came in an played and amazing innings.
Both were critical.
The fact that we all can't just celebrate a win on here is hilarious. 
2019-12-15 16:44:08
Hope made a real contribution to the win
2019-12-15 16:45:28
He did keep wicket for 50 overs also didn't he? Kid just can't please WI fans.
2019-12-15 16:45:53
Off topic: Maybe we won because The rat went for spit.
2019-12-15 16:46:05
In reply to Larr Pullo
The partnership was excellent.
If Hetty wasn't going quick, it could have been a problem.
It turned out perfect
2019-12-15 16:46:25
Pouty's captaincy was the difference
2019-12-15 20:03:52
In reply to Larr Pullo
In a weird way I think Hope helps Hety
Sometimes he keep him away from the strike so he can be calm but when he is facing he knows his game plan
2019-12-15 20:19:55
I had no problems with Hope anchoring the other end, he did a phenomenal job
2019-12-15 20:20:42
In reply to cricketmygame
Cricket is a team Game;
Hope compliments Hetmyer, Lewis & Pooran
The same way Director Adams used to
compliment Consultant Lara.
2019-12-15 22:11:08
With over 2 overs to spare, I would say he batted perfectly for the situation. WI obviously read this pitch better.
2019-12-15 22:11:52
In reply to Yadi
Team game. And today we saw a team effort.
2019-12-15 22:49:01
In reply to natty_forever
Precisely.
2019-12-15 22:52:12
We won of course but it's not unreasonable to want Hope to up his strike rate if we're going to win consistently.
2019-12-15 22:52:31
I think Hope did what he needed to do given the match situation and his cramping issues. Had Hetty gotten out earlier, then maybe his startegy would have changed. But as it was, there was no need so to do. A strike rate in the 70s wouldnt kill him though...just saying.
2019-12-15 22:56:00
In reply to dale_staple
Strike rate overrated.
2019-12-15 23:31:59
Chase is also in the team. Had Hope been out early, there’s Chase to perform a similar role.
2019-12-16 00:00:44
In reply to JahJah
Off topic: Maybe we won because The rat went for spit.
Rat went for spit but they still made 287
2019-12-16 11:21:00
In reply to Larr Pullo
We won because of Ambris and his quick scoring.
2019-12-16 15:50:09
In reply to Larr Pullo
SILLY QUESTION!!!
We won because of Hetty's extraordinary ton!!!!
India scored 287 off 50 overs which is a very good score.
Hetty scored 139 off 106 balls a scoring rate of 131.13
The other batsmen needed to score 149 runs off 194 balls which is a scoring rate of 76 which is not that difficult.
Hope scored 102 runs at 67.55,Pooran scored 29 off 23 balls at 126 and Ambris 9 runs off 8 balls at 112.50
The 3 other batsmen scored 177 runs off 137 balls
Extras accounted for 12 runs
Bottom line is WE WON.
Hope would be an even more impactful players if he converted 25 of those 78 dot balls to singles.
Hetty allowed 41 dot balls to Hope's 78.
If you watch Virat you would notice he does not allow too many dot balls.Top batsmen score singles off good deliveries.
2019-12-16 15:51:31
We won in ease due to!
2019-12-16 15:52:34
The thing is also, Shai can only get better.
2019-12-16 15:53:08
In reply to Dukes
I hope you don't think the majority of us here can be that analytical or discernible? Big mistake if you do.
2019-12-16 16:11:09
In reply to Courtesy
An open mind can learn a tremendous amount if the information is packaged simply.
2019-12-16 16:18:30
In reply to Dukes
I agree...but you will be surprised that a vast majority here will not understand your post above even if it's stripped to its bare bones. Emotionalism is the order of the day here.
Btw, a lot of them who were calling for Hety's head were unashamedly rejoicing at his achievement.
2019-12-16 16:25:29
In reply to Dukes
There is context to the question you pompous prognosticator.
If you were not hiding and chewing on your nails while Hetty was batting you would have observed that many here were acting like the game was in danger because of Hope's approach. In fact he didn't need to rush because Hety was going well, all he had to do was protect and preserve his wicket. I was clear he set himself to bat through the innings with the expectation that Hety and especially Pooran who is a very fast starter, if they got going could do serious damage to chase down the total.
The bottom line is, the WI KNEW how much they had to get and needed to control the chase and that's what Hope did. We are all very aware that as good as Hety was and can be, he could have played the shot that he played to get out much earlier in the piece then we would have been even more on edge.
2019-12-16 16:29:38
In reply to Dukes
We won because of Hetty's extraordinary ton!!!!
2019-12-16 16:30:21
In reply to Larr Pullo
Has Shai Hope ever "rushed" during his entire ODI career?
2019-12-16 17:58:24
In reply to Larr Pullo
you would have observed that many here were acting like the game was in danger because of Hope's approach.
I was not paying attention to idiots.I tend to ignore them with one notable exception.
At no time was the asking rate 7 or more so the game was always within our grasp and those that who felt it was slipping away from us do not know a damn thing about limited over cricket.It is a question of patience and understanding,JUST LIKE LIFE.
You have been very critical of Hetty and never so of Devon Smith.Right there your judgement reveals a fatal flaw. So go and learn about life and watch the second Berbician born on Boxing Day destined for stardom.All Shai Hope needs to do is play with soft hands so that the ball goes more slowly to the fielders giving him opportunities to get quick singles.Do that a couple times and the fielders would tend to run in and hence misfield.In addition to keeping the scoreboard moving, it disrupts the bowler who has to now bowl to a left-hander instead.78 dot balls suggest a need for improvement.Rather that worry about idiots on the board, use your common sense.
2019-12-16 18:30:33
In reply to Dukes
Could be Devon needs no criticism but Hety does, cause we expect better?
2019-12-16 18:38:52
In reply to Dukes
Do that a couple times and the fielders would tend to run in and hence misfield.In addition to keeping the scoreboard moving,
Did you see the near fatal mixup when they went for a sharp single to Kohli? A good throw and Hety was dead.
There was zero need for undue risk. When they got closer to the total and while Pooran was settling in Hope hit a few boundaries to keep the scoreboard moving. To me it was reassuring to see young WI batsmen using their head in a match winning partnership.
I was not paying attention to idiots.
This was courtesy and Doosra...
2019-12-16 18:43:39
In reply to Larr Pullo
I just saw that as the match is being replayed.No need to take risks to Kohli.He is a superb cricketer but I lost count the number of times that Hope played solid shots off the back foot straight to cover and extra cover when a defensive block would have given him a single.78 dot balls is WAAAAAY too much.
2019-12-16 18:47:33
In reply to Dukes
if Hope had scored off those balls the game would not have happened the way it did. Hety may have been ran out, received a jaffer, or a short ball and hit it into longon's hands.
that dot ball theory is BS
2019-12-16 18:56:02
In reply to sudden
that dot ball theory is BS
Context, bro! I have nothing to complain about given Hop and Het play!
2019-12-16 19:00:08
Three balls later, Hetmyer had holed out, but by then West Indies needed only 59 off 68 balls. Hope then found his next gear and secured the chase in fuss-free fashion.
"We just keep it simple because we've played with each other for quite a while now," Hetmyer said of his partnership with Hope at the post-match press conference. "So, I know his game and he knows mine. So, basically when we're batting together, most of the time, I'm the aggressor and he's the person who sticks around and bats around.
"And if he gets the boundary ball, he puts it away. For [me], it's always nice batting with someone like him because he's going to make sure you get the strike as much as possible and it's easier to execute."
"We just keep it simple because we've played with each other for quite a while now," Hetmyer said of his partnership with Hope at the post-match press conference. "So, I know his game and he knows mine. So, basically when we're batting together, most of the time, I'm the aggressor and he's the person who sticks around and bats around.
"And if he gets the boundary ball, he puts it away. For [me], it's always nice batting with someone like him because he's going to make sure you get the strike as much as possible and it's easier to execute."
There!! Long may they flourish in partnership!!
2019-12-16 19:00:22
In reply to XDFIX
it came about around the time when commentators were saying that if a team scores at at least a run a ball they could reach 300 in ODIs.
now we like to use it to judge how a player construct his innings. if Hope had blocked 4 and hit a 4 and 2 singles off the next 2 balls, would he not have scored at a run a ball?
so his problem is that he did not hit enough boundaries. in any case he batted for the situation cos we won
2019-12-16 19:01:56
In the T20I decider in Mumbai, Hetmyer was dismissed, off a full toss, while going for a third straight six. At that point, Kieron Pollard was also going big for West Indies, but Hetmyer ended up tossing his wicket away. In Chennai, he assessed the situation, the track and his partner better, guiding West Indies to the doorstep of victory.
More context...
2019-12-16 19:27:54
In reply to sudden
that dot ball theory is BS
The top ten fastest scoring rates belong to the people who have the least dot balls bowled to them.
Does that make it a theory or a fact?
Amazing how intelligent people can ignore reality when they do not want to admit facts.RU the Senator from South Carolina?
2019-12-16 19:29:48
In reply to Larr Pullo
"And if he gets the boundary ball, he puts it away. For [me], it's always nice batting with someone like him because he's going to make sure you get the strike as much as possible and it's easier to execute."
During the partnership Hetty faced 106 balls and Hope faced 102 balls.
FACTS ARE STUBBORN THINGS.
2019-12-16 19:40:27
In reply to Dukes
as much as possible
English is a complex animal...
2019-12-16 20:01:08
In reply to Larr Pullo
2 days ago he was nowhere to be found.
2019-12-16 20:04:01
In reply to Larr Pullo
U R willing to accept the premise that Hope was trying as hard as possible to give Hetty the strike while ending ungiving him 2 extra balls out of 208 balls.I vaguely remember that the standard deviation around the mean would include that variation.
Random distribution would suggest 104 balls each.One player got 2 more and the other 2 less seems random rather than deliberate.
Now Hope had a strike rate of 59 batting with Hetty and 96 batting with Pooran. What do you make of that???
Suggests to me that he is more than capable of scoring those extra 25 singles.Needs to change his mindset.
2019-12-16 20:05:11
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
Yuh still robbing banks Bro??
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
2019-12-16 20:05:52
Would we have gotten more points if we had won in 45 overs?
2019-12-16 20:06:35
In reply to Dukes
Hope hety keeps you from robbing banks
2019-12-16 20:06:39
2019-12-16 20:12:16
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
Hetty needs to learn to not give his wicket away before the job is complete.Hopefully he can get some first class cricket experience in January.Difficult when you have so much success at a tender age to keep working to improve different aspects of your game.
2019-12-16 20:19:25
In reply to Dukes
Now Hope had a strike rate of 59 batting with Hetty and 96 batting with Pooran. What do you make of that???
It means he rightly took on the run scoring role while Pooran was getting established.
If Hope is batting with Pooran or Hety he will always take a backseat to them once they've gotten in.
2019-12-16 20:28:31
In reply to dclar301
We won because of Ambris and his quick scoring.
A profound statement.
2019-12-16 22:26:22
I have no reason to criticize Hope or Hety for their performances. Instead kudos to you them both.
Regarding the 78 dot balls by Hope I am hoping dearly that he continues to improve on his strike rate.
That was a masterful inning by Hety, but that kinda stroke play cannot be repeated with high regularity. He to I am hoping will develop the skills to play long measured knocks, as required. He does have o ability - many lack - to up the tempo, but for greater success, done over a shorter span of overs.
Well done to the guys. We just hope they master their craft and apply good planning in building innings
2019-12-16 23:53:20
Dukes sharing licks like Hety, at a very high strike rate!
2019-12-17 00:15:04
In reply to StumpCam
Dukes should come in here real quiet and humble like. Ask for permission to speak and isht like that...
2019-12-17 00:22:02
De best strategy is tuh play to your strengths, and tuh optimize your strengths. You do not need to be perfect in all aspects, but you need to do what you do best as ah team.
Of course reducing the number of dot balls is advantageous, but if you can win and continue winning like dis, den de dot balls doh matter.
Like TriniD said, WI won de T20 even though dey had a very high dot-ball count.
Hetty and Hope bat well together.
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