America "Do the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few?"
I'm a Trekkie, but I believe Mr. Spock in the scene of his own death was referring to sacrificing his own life to save others. That's very different from killing others so you can survive.
Mr. Spock, who never based his actions or decisions on emotions, but based them on pure logic would simply say: “the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few”. This should be the guiding principle going forward. It’s only logical. Mr. Spock is a literary figure who struggled between the world of logic and emotions.America "Do the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few?" Even Mr. Spock was uncertain. After all, when he gave up his life for the good of the many, he also transferred his memory to another individual. The point is even Mr. Spock struggled with this issue.
This is only one possible ethical system. It turns out, it is at odds with human behavior (Mr. Spock was not human). For example, would you push one pedestrian in front of car if it stopped that car from colliding with a bus full of people? Probably not. It is never okay to push people in front of cars. If you subscribe to the view that it is never okay to push a pedestrian in front of a car, you are Kantian and not utilitarian in your ethics.
Now I will post some comments from others.
My personal favorite approach is to protect those who are most vulnerable. I am not an ethicist so I am not sure if this is a formal ethical system. But in the current situation, it means that we should protect the elderly and at risk individuals. This is so true. I am concerned that we don’t have leadership in government to be able to actually weigh the pros and cons of our path.
The existential threat to our America and the world is shutting down our economy.
At some point, no one will be unaffected by the crisis that ensues either. Unfortunately, a major determinant of health is socioeconomic status. I sincerely hope this virus is an impetus to change that, but for now, it is imperative to not overlook this. The healthcare system is also part of the economy, for better or worse, and an extended shutdown (a year? 2 years?) could affect the ability to care for us all in the future. I likely will not be one of the ones who suffer most in an economic crisis. I'm not willing to sacrifice the livelihoods and well-being of some so that people like me can be at slightly less risk.
Germany just did the first statistically significant antibody study of a large region. Infection rates were 15% of the population. Case mortality rate was 0.37%, overwhelmingly concentrated on those over age 65 and with pre-existing conditions.
Sweden, correctly never shut down the economy. They are isolating and protecting those over age 70 and with pre-existing conditions."The existential threat to our nation and the world is shutting down our economy." Now, lets look at the US.
I'd feel a lot better if America had a socialized system of medical care like Germany. They are in a much better position to cope with the virus because the government takes an active role in health care and does not leave it solely to individuals. They have a medical infrastructure not run by insurance companies on the cheap.
Mammograms, pap, prostate and skin cancer screenings have been halted - Alcoholism, substance abuse treatment have been halted - Poverty, food insecurity, economic dislocation, which correlate strongly with life expectancy and mortality are rampant. What numbers do they reflect.
We take the unseen benefits of modern technological civilization itself for granted. It is too complex for us to know the boundaries of its fragility. It is itself the greatest boon to human health known and substantially interrupting its machinery likely far more devastating to human health than this virus.
The notion that shutting down the country is not going to cause thousands to die is bizarre.I know the media likes to count the obvious bodies, but ignoring the death and waste of life from shutting down the economy is ridiculous.I am reminded of Frederick Bastiat’s classic essay “What is seen and what is unseen”. The bad economist or politician only focuses on what is seen. In this case, what is seen are the deaths from Covid 19 and what is not seen are the deaths from the lockdown.
You are absolutely right. Our leaders chose to do what was easiest for them knowing that it will not effect their incomes. This has proven just to be history's biggest experiment at thought control. It’s extremely troubling to me how quickly we have been willing to give up freedom and way of life over this. It took less than a month for people to totally agree to what in rational times would have looked like Soviet-mandated restrictions.I have a feeling Sweden, if they can continue to hold the line, will be on the right side of history here.
Where are the sane people , perhaps if America's president and his peeps would have taken the spread more seriously, earlier, we would not have had to take such drastic measures. We should have been all over it in early December when it was clear that it would reach US shores. Trump likes to brag that he stopped travel from China on Jan. 31. That is nothing to brag about. It was already here and probably had been since late December 2019.
I agree that at some near time, we have to get the economy going again. But I say it not with the attitude that we will all be better off once things get back to normal, because "we" won't. I know what you really mean is things will be better off for you and others like you. We had to shut down because we were woefully unequipped to handle the death and disease that would ineluctably follow on business as usual.
Not restarting the economy means that even more people will die. One can philosophize all one wants but the choice is either getting back to work sooner rather than later, or destroying the economy, which is already badly crippled. Those who laconically endorse stay-at-home regardless of the tremendous price and patronize those who look to the reopening probably have enough money or suitable jobs to afford such haughty attitude, as opposed to the substantial majority of Americans whose backs are against the wall.
Sadly, the country that developed the atomic bomb, landed a man on the moon and created computer technology that drives every business; that country no longer exists.America became an intellectually bankrupt nation of scientific naysayers led by mythologists who fantasize about "the good old days" when we were supposedly all pioneers and frontiersmen.
The US is no longer a leading nation. It is a hollow shadow of society that once was a shining example of modern progressive thinking and future mindedness.Our miserable response, nationally, to this devastating disease has revealed to the world, if not ourselves, that we've become a crippled has-been nation incapable to effectively responding to an existential challenge.
Not only do we lack a scintilla of "enlightened leadership" we are on the cusp of continuing this vacuous, self-aggrandizing mismanagement that has laid us so low. Isn't it a little crazy to be essentially asking how soon we can get back to destroying our world; raping our planet; altering our climate; polluting our oceans; exploiting our people; and driving our world toward the precipice of extinction.
Going back to where we were means tens of millions in American and billions around the world struggle in poverty without healthcare, a decent place to live, and opportunity for their children.
Instead of thinking about how we get back to a way of life that is killing us we should be thinking about how we get to a world that works for all of us, and especially for the survival of our planet.
Just an opinion.
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America "Do the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few?
Ok lets google to see where he got this from, since we cant understand what he writes.
Lets go get him...where is the mob.?
I don't think you are at risk of anyone accusing you of plagiarizing all that nonsense you just wrote. To the skeptics, I will go out on a limb and declare they are going to say that's probably the first one you wrote. And I usually congratulate you on the articles you write. Cant say that I can do likewise on this one though. 
Wait till you see the real patio he built,it's not as big as that heap of mix and match junk above .
In reply to sgtdjones
https://www.ethicssage.com/2015/03/do-the-needs-of-the-many-outweigh-the-needs-of-the-few.html
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
that link int working
In reply to sudden
Ok I'll fix it. It is difficult on a cellphone
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
Are you trying to show up the Sarge as a fraud?
All this shows is that the man is well read.
BTW, the link works for me.
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
great detective work. finally we know who STD really is
In reply to sudden
I ran this thru my plagiariarsm app since last night. The results were parts of it were plagiarized. Needless to say, I was wary of being accused of beating up on a Sarge if I posted the results.
In reply to Courtesy
i did not even need to do that
In reply to sudden
I no.
This poster is sick.
Nah !!!
Nah
Nah...
Nah nah nah nah!!
Nah man nah..
Allyuh lie man!!
Man even tief the trekkie part too yes..
Waaaaay sah. . nah nah nah..
In reply to bravos
Alyuh lef me fren.
In reply to black
You need a new fren..
Would he even show his face after this one?
This is how alteregos die...
In reply to sgtdjones
I'm a Trekkie,
Big original Star Trek fan myself. Loved Spock but wanted to be Kirk
Bump!!
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
The real plagiarism and theft is that this poster takes a collection of user comments from blogs and user forums - and with GREAT TALENT combines them as his own.
Now that you brought this to my attention, it is clear also to see that his "essay" are written from an American perspective. ("The existential threat to our America and the world is shutting down our economy. "). What Trini/Canadian would write "our America". In another glaring flub, the Trini/Canadian says: "Our miserable response, nationally, to this devastating disease has revealed to the world..." again, a victim of copy and paste authorship!
*****
Now to his blatant plagiarism,: "sgtdjones" wrote as his opinion:
The US is no longer a leading nation. It is a hollow shadow of society that once was a shining example of modern progressive thinking and future mindedness.Our miserable response, nationally, to this devastating disease has revealed to the world, if not ourselves, that we've become a crippled has-been nation incapable to effectively responding to an existential challenge.
Not only do we lack a scintilla of "enlightened leadership" we are on the cusp of continuing this vacuous, self-aggrandizing mismanagement that has laid us so low. Isn't it a little crazy to be essentially asking how soon we can get back to destroying our world; raping our planet; altering our climate; polluting our oceans; exploiting our people; and driving our world toward the precipice of extinction."
THIS exact comment appears as a user comment 22 DAYS AGO on a blog by an American poster "Jazz Man" - LINK (search on the comments for "Jazz Man")
This is not just unfortunate, it is unnecessary as every one of us has the ability to make substantial contributions to the "Caribbean collective" if we just be who we are! Identity is our singular strength, and when posters blatantly infringe on intellectual property, we need not stop them, but simply let them know their deception is no longer effective or effectual... eventually they will have no room for their ego to impress.
90% of that essay is taken from blog comments and cobbled together to form an "opinion". Going forward I will appreciate his effort as "copy and paste" king of the hill.
dear "sgtdjones" - I know you will see this as an attack on your credibility, but it is not as that was shot days ago... repeatedly.
No, what it is a plea to STOP. So much you have to offer, just be you.
In reply to pelon
damn...I thought the fella was smart like that
My question is..."Why Sarge?"
In reply to pelon
Mr. Spock, who never based his actions or decisions on emotions, but based them on pure logic would simply say: “the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few”. This should be the guiding principle going forward. It’s only logical. Mr. Spock is a literary figure who struggled between the world of logic and emotions.America "Do the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few?" Even Mr. Spock was uncertain. After all, when he gave up his life for the good of the many, he also transferred his memory to another individual. The point is even Mr. Spock struggled with this issue.
This is only one possible ethical system. It turns out, it is at odds with human behavior (Mr. Spock was not human). For example, would you push one pedestrian in front of car if it stopped that car from colliding with a bus full of people? Probably not. It is never okay to push people in front of cars. If you subscribe to the view that it is never okay to push a pedestrian in front of a car, you are Kantian and not utilitarian in your ethics.
Now I will post some comments from others.
Unfortunately you failed to see the noted line but you commented.Go back and check it out.
See what happens when we rush to conclusions.
In reply to ray
I wanted to trap sudden based on numerous accusations against me, he thinks I am the above.
This one fell into the trap when he failed to read properly and assimilate.
His motive failed.
I wish I had the time these googlers have, so many things to do.
In reply to sgtdjones
You sick man.
Are you aware that google CACHES sites??????
YOU ADDED THAT TEXT JUST NOW TO CLEAN UP YOUR SHIT ON ISLE 1
CACHE from yesterday: LINK
No where in sight is your "Now I will post some comments from others."
Honestly, yuh sick bad bad.
In reply to pelon
He does not have a clue.
Yesterday:
America "Do the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few?"
I'm a Trekkie, but I believe Mr. Spock in the scene of his own death was referring to sacrificing his own life to save others. That's very different from killing others so you can survive.
Mr. Spock, who never based his actions or decisions on emotions, but based them on pure logic would simply say: “the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few”. This should be the guiding principle going forward. It’s only logical. Mr. Spock is a literary figure who struggled between the world of logic and emotions.America "Do the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few?" Even Mr. Spock was uncertain. After all, when he gave up his life for the good of the many, he also transferred his memory to another individual. The point is even Mr. Spock struggled with this issue.
This is only one possible ethical system. It turns out, it is at odds with human behavior (Mr. Spock was not human). For example, would you push one pedestrian in front of car if it stopped that car from colliding with a bus full of people? Probably not. It is never okay to push people in front of cars. If you subscribe to the view that it is never okay to push a pedestrian in front of a car, you are Kantian and not utilitarian in your ethics.
My personal favorite approach is to protect those who are most vulnerable. I am not an ethicist so I am not sure if this is a formal ethical system. But in the current situation, it means that we should protect the elderly and at risk individuals. This is so true. I am concerned that we don’t have leadership in government to be able to actually weigh the pros and cons of our path.
The existential threat to our America and the world is shutting down our economy.
30 Mins ago:
America "Do the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few?"
I'm a Trekkie, but I believe Mr. Spock in the scene of his own death was referring to sacrificing his own life to save others. That's very different from killing others so you can survive.
Mr. Spock, who never based his actions or decisions on emotions, but based them on pure logic would simply say: “the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few”. This should be the guiding principle going forward. It’s only logical. Mr. Spock is a literary figure who struggled between the world of logic and emotions.America "Do the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few?" Even Mr. Spock was uncertain. After all, when he gave up his life for the good of the many, he also transferred his memory to another individual. The point is even Mr. Spock struggled with this issue.
This is only one possible ethical system. It turns out, it is at odds with human behavior (Mr. Spock was not human). For example, would you push one pedestrian in front of car if it stopped that car from colliding with a bus full of people? Probably not. It is never okay to push people in front of cars. If you subscribe to the view that it is never okay to push a pedestrian in front of a car, you are Kantian and not utilitarian in your ethics.
Now I will post some comments from others.
My personal favorite approach is to protect those who are most vulnerable. I am not an ethicist so I am not sure if this is a formal ethical system. But in the current situation, it means that we should protect the elderly and at risk individuals. This is so true. I am concerned that we don’t have leadership in government to be able to actually weigh the pros and cons of our path.
The existential threat to our America and the world is shutting down our economy.
Your clean up on Isle 1 now that you've been discovered is DESPICABLE!
"Oh what a tangled web we weave when we practice to deceive.'
Sarge, there is no need for further self mutilation. You cannot achieve depths any lower than where you are now.
Your silly pussuance of this matter is absurd.
I stand by what I posted . I have been discovered by you?...you are nothing to me.
You can post anything , I can post the same as the above omitting or deleting the line.
Your motive is interesting.
Keep it up.
In reply to sgtdjones
There....fixed that for you. Now them guys going to leave you alone. After all you have lots of comments on the internet to scroll through and compile into your next thread starter.
In reply to Larr Pullo
tenks, can I use that in my next thread.
I must ask or they will say I plagiarized.
Must keep them busy C19.I have been accused of everything possible, well not being gay as yet. It gotta be around the corner...
I luv it , I dont run.
In reply to sgtdjones
You can post anything , I can post the same as the above omitting or deleting the line.
Your motive is interesting.
Keep it up.
For clarity, when you say I can post anything (your words), are you saying I am at liberty to post your emails to me 18 months back titled "Introduction" where you claimed to be the "controlling investor" of a 1.5 Billion dollar Water Treatment Company that was sold in 2006 to GE? I completely and respectfully gave you a pass then, but seemingly, you want to outdo Tolduso and compete against FACTS - this will not end the way you envision if you continue to "cover up cover ups."
Respectfully, I have no motive. I am not the one grandstanding.
From the start I simply asked that you refrain from making it worse.
Today, you RETROACTIVELY edited your post, not realizing it was too late, the cache of your original post is there for all to see.
This is completely unnecessary sir. Utterly and completely unnecessary.
Respectfully, I have no motive. I am not the one grandstanding.
From the start I simply asked that you refrain from making it worse.
Today, you RETROACTIVELY edited your post, not realizing it was too late, the cache of your original post is there for all to see.
This is completely unnecessary sir. Utterly and completely unnecessary.
I say in support of this post that this is "unnecessary" as well. Sarge should stop his nonsense...your credibility is already gone.
How low has Sarge descended.
Cah believe this shyt still ongoing.....
Is it possible that Admins hand is at work?.....all the going ons and shenanigans.
past posters like Marcus Garvey ....were annoying...but.......a different type of annoying.
but like his namesake....he was expunged......
In reply to sgtdjones
Dem all jealous of you, Sarge. Your 6'7" athletic frame and all, not to speak of those 6' plus (Amazon) women that adorn your arm(s) on 'date nights'.
I'm a bit surprised about the equal height 6'7" Pollo though, but maybe his issue is because he comes up short in the 6' plus women department.
In reply to pelon
This is past pathetic. Wow.
What do you think is wrong with this guy?
Buh I telling allyuh genuises and professionals bout he long time..
No surprises here..man's a premeditated amd calculated fraud..
And dis is de fella dat wanna talk for my country? Fire bun he..
In reply to bravos
Link Text
Check out this thread ...
I bet anyone that this guy is one of them that went to Canada in the 80-90's as a refugee from 'persecution',man's whole existence is based on a lie...sold out his honor sold out himself and sold out his country ..
All that we are seeing here is consistent with such a Renegade to the truth..
Anything goes as it did for him to get his Canadian papers..
That lil generator stunt was an investment in validation..surely a billionaire could do better..dipshit..
In reply to pelon
You can post anything , I can post the same as the above omitting or deleting the line.
I didn't post the highlighted statement above.I have made comments on a few occasions of paragraphs missing and words added.
I did such on a locked thread recently that was deleted.
Its obvious you have a problem with assimilation.
Now to this....
You can post a paragraph as such below
I then can copy and paste then add some words
Now noticed what I added.Its highlighted.
I stand by what I wrote.
Now yes I sent you some info....Call GE and find out...it is so simple.You posted what I sent you in confidence, I would never do such I would be sick to my stomach.. Its not a problem.Your agenda is now complete.You should be happy.
Yes, I was involved in selling a company I started to GE and the sum you mentioned is correct.
In reply to Drapsey
Thanks droopsey for your help.
I only have one girlfriend she is not from the amazon, just New Zealand.
.
In reply to bravos
I am sure if pelon tells ..he sent me another address where I sent more stuff.
He even told me the generator I sent was a workhorse at the hospital.
Didnt you post your wife sent over hundreds of thousands(US dollars) in aid .
I didn't bring this up a poster sudden noted I lied about sending anything.
Any how ..back to a shingled roof with my workers.
Why is a billionaire on this forum trying to validate himself ?
Go sail a f@cking yacht or sumn bitch..
In reply to sgtdjones
Bro, at some point you have to sleep in your own reality.
You are really shockingly stubborn. Have fun bro. Your essays have been debunked, your deck has been debunked, your trip to the edge of the artic debunked. Whats left?
Make a change bro, we don't judge, we self correct.
In reply to pelon
Do me a favor dont call me bro?
You really think what you debunked, I care ....lol
Just Stop telling me what to do..!!!
You have already,I ignore such. I hope you are happy.I sleep very comfy, you gave me 87 rooms in my home.
You dont know me.
I stand by what I post.
In reply to bravos
Idiot, I never said I was a billionaire?
I dont have a yacht, plane or helicopter.
You would be surprise what I drive.
Go build your fish pond...
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