The 2020 season was aborted with two matches remaining due to the outbreak of the Covid-19 Pandemic and this was the third time Permaul has captured 50 or more wickets in a single season.

Three Guyanese were selected in a 30-man squad for possible selection but batsman Shimron Hetmyer and fast bowling all-rounder Kemo Paul opted out due to safety reasons. Trinidadian batsman Daren Bravo also made himself unavailable.

“I never told anyone that I was not available for the England tour so I take it that I was just not picked. Of course I am disappointed but my selection is not in my hands and all I can do is to continue to take wickets if I play for Guyana” Permaul said yesterday.

“I always say to myself ‘I will get back when God wants me there; God is my only hope,” said the 30-year-old from Albion, Berbice. Chairman of the CWI Selectors, Guyanese Roger Harper had said during a Radio interview before the 30-man squad was picked:“He (Permaul) has certainly put his hands up again, in a big way. You know, taking 50 wickets in the eight matches, he has really put his hands up, and of course he would be seriously considered.”

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A travesty against Permaul. If he cannot make the team at 30 after a season in which he was top regional wicket taker, he should either settle for regional honors, or quit the game.

It is even worse that Warrican was selected ahead of Permaul.

Guyana, and the region, have practically lost Motie already, and may now lose Permaul, because of selectors.

In reply to Norm

Blame the Bim selectors

In reply to sudden

Something bugging you about the selectors, ent?

In reply to Norm

Yeah something you fail to mention

this may turn out to be a tour where the lucky guys are the ones who did not go!

In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com

God must be Roger Harper ...

In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com

Permaul I know you are disappointed, Miller was there every season too as leading wicket-taker but never get the call up. However, work on your batting for if you could perform consistently with the bat and with your bowling, you will definitely be an asset to any West Indies team. Keep working hard, never give up!

HOla...Brother Veera nah tek worries.is so it does go...
criterias are put in place and when the criteria is met then another roadblock is set up...
Many years ago there was a group that go galavanting..and I wanted to join the group..so I packed my bags and headed to the depot only to be told that to be part of the group you have to have a million dollars..I said ok..I understand...the next week I showed up and said ok I got 900,000 dollars..the group says no you must have a miilion dollars...so the next week i pack my suitcase and went and excitedly shouted ..I got the million bucks...
there was silence....and then i was told i cannot go...
At which I replied if its only cowboys you wanted why did you not say so in the first place...
the morale of the story is?????????
Adios
CB

In reply to CITYBOY

Point well-taken and symbolism clear Cityboy!

Versammy Permaul and Preston Mcsween would

have been included in my 16.

In reply to Yadi

In place of who? Only Reifer seem to be an unjustifiable pick.

west indies cricket will never get back on top. west indies cricket finish long time ago.

In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com
Third time this bowler has captured 50 wickets or more in a season and yet he is overlooked.

There must be a reason why he was overlooked because his omission makes no sense at all. Same goes for Kieron Powell.

You called back Blackwood based on performance and included Chemar Holder based on performance but excluded Permaul and Powell based on over performance. That is the only conclusion anyone who knows anything about cricket can draw because those two guys performed better than any of the other guys selected.

Maybe they failed the fitness test and everyone else passed. If that is not the case then I am calling on the people who selected this team to give up the selector's gig because you all are a bunch of fools.

In reply to Star

The Selectors could be reasoning that Powell and Permaul are just good regional players like Devon Smith, I do not agree with the omission of Permual, but Warrican have better Test numbers than Permaul, so the Selectors could get away with selecting him over Permaul. However the England tour could be a career decider for some players who I think are not convincing Test players yet.

In reply to dayne
I can understand your point of view but if the criteria for selection is no longer performance in the regional competition, then scrap the competition. Done away with it and save CWI that money.

There is no logical explanation for omitting a left arm spinner who just took 50 wickets in your regional competition for another left arm spinner who only took 13 wickets in the same competition.

Something is wrong with that picture.

In reply to Star

The 50 wickets to 13 wickets comparison is misleading, Warrican was away in India for the Test match against Afghanistan. so he missed some matches, also when he did play in the regionals, he rarely bowled because Chamar Holder, Roach and Harding were blowing teams away.

In reply to dayne

What is MISLEADING about the above?

Roger Harper is a Big Skunt !!!!

Nuff said.

In reply to dayne

I said 16 .... that is two more than 14.

In reply to dayne
Warrican is too Robotic, let me know when he is bowling over the wicket or using angles with his delivery.
Sulie Benn should lift him by his toes, and put some bowling sense into his head.

In reply to Yadi
I listened to Jason Holder the other night on Instagram, he is no dummies.
He understand the game, the culture, leadership and history.
He cannot lead a new selection every series, and an inexperience Head coach is not the way to go.
He compared the Indian culture in cricket to the one in the region, where the junior player will sit and listen
Not the same for a youngster now making his way into the senior team.
He credit MS Dhoni as one of the best, he has seen.

In reply to openning

You saying he only comfortable captaining a team with majority bajan players?

In reply to imusic

I watched a few Instagram live chats, with some of the present players, two of them with Jason.
The first live chat, he was asked about players he is very close to, a number of them played with and against him at the U19 level.
Players like Ambris, Hamilton, Blackwood.
He spoke about the partnership with Dowrich, a player he have known from his youth.

If you are running a small business, and management keep replacing your staff, how long you think you would last?

Nothing new. Look what happened to Nikita Miller over the years.

In reply to openning

When the business you running is among the worst performing in your industry and the vast majority of your competitors out performing you, management replacing non performing staff are doing you a favour.

Management keeping the same staff that producing the unsatisfactory results because you comfortable with that staff not only NOT doing their job, they will run your ass out of business in no time.

Did anybody consider that if Permaul was selected as a reserve, a plane would have to be chartered to go to Guyana and bring him to Barbados or Trinidad to join the other players and similarly when the team returns to the Caribbean a special charter to Guyana from either Trinidad or Barbados. Maybe that is why all the marginal selections went to Barbados.Maybe if Hetty and Keemo did not decline selection, Permaul could have gotten on to the reserves. Food for thought!!!

In reply to Dukes

where is Harper based?

In reply to camos

Guyana

In reply to Dukes

Preston McSween is from Grenada

He’s the only Grenadian in the squad. And he could be deemed a “marginal selection”

Assuming your assertion is accurate, CWI would have to charter a plane to bring him to Barbados and then back after the tour is complete.

So if They could do it for McSween, why not Permaul?

In reply to imusic

We are all speculating here but I suspect it is significantly cheaper to charter a flight from Grenada to Barbados than from Guyana to Barbados.

In reply to Dukes

So you’re speculating it’s a matter of economics why Permaul wasn’t selected

I’ll speculate that it’s cheaper to charter a flight from Guyana to Trinidad where Permaul could travel on the same charter as the Trinis, than it is to charter a flight from Barbados to Grenada.

Im not convinced by your theory.

In reply to imusic

The only spinner in the reserve is Warrican, who was part of the squad that played against Afghanistan.
One can ask if the reserve should have seven pacers?

In reply to imusic

I am not convinced about it either.
I was trying to figure out why he was left out and it seemed a possibility.

In reply to Dukes

I hear you. The only thing I have come up with is that Permaul is now deemed “been there and done that” in the eyes of the WI selectors.

He’ll have to do something to the equivalent of Devon Smith’s 1000 run 2017/1
2018 season, where he scored 6 centuries, to force them to select him. And even then, they played Devon in 2 tests against Bangladesh at home, he had 3 innings, with a highest score of 58, continued to be among the top performers in regional 4 day cricket, and then never selected him again.

So maybe that is Permaul’s fate.

Do I think Verasammy Permaul is an international world class spinner? I do not.

But if your stated selection policy is that a player MUST play and perform well in regional 4 day cricket to be eligible and earn selection to the test team, then players such as Devon and Permaul must always be in the mix

In reply to Dukes

Was thinking de same thing.. but this afternoon CWI posted a video with the players and coaches boarding the flight to England. To my surprise Rayon Griffith was in de video.. So most likely he and Harper travelled to Antigua on a chartered flight.. or maybe it was Griffith alone.

Here is de video.. he boarded just after Chemar and the other player look like Mayers..

Link

In reply to anthonyp

There is no logical explanation for Permauls omission on this tour

In reply to imusic
I wrote the comment from the COS, who spoke about spinners bowling in England.
He spoke about turn, and is needed during dry summer, but it is the pacers, that is needed.
The Doc posted a number of spinners that got wickets in England, not saying if it was a dry or wet summer, that these wickets was taken..
These fans are not going after Roger Harper, who selected four spinners and about twelve pacers in his group of 25 players.
One fan when after Estwick for the selection of a Bajan team.

In reply to openning

I really don’t care who is the COS

My issue is that the selection policy is not only flawed, it’s counter productive and frankly, redundant.

In reply to imusic

What about a captain role in 2020?

In reply to openning

Captaincy in T20 cricket is the most demanding and requires the most tactical nous in the game. Moreso than captaincy in any other format.

In reply to imusic

Which other sport use the captain as the on-field manager?

Hola...too much speculation why Mr Permaul was not selected for England tour...
everyone is skirting around what should be the blatant truth...thats the way it goes...
The treatment of Bishoo by Holder is tantamount to Permaul non selection.....its that simple...punch any holes you want but that's a fact...
But as most are offering speculations how about this one..."THe England CRicket admins indicated no cooks available to make curry and roti..but Macaroni and cheese is straight out the box"
How many Bajes on team again?????.Macaroni pie...galore
Harper got the call from England and obliged.
Adios
CB

In reply to CITYBOY

Dude, Bishoo is the worst wrist spinner playing at the International level, he is not someone that should be reference.
I am not surprise that another spinner was not included, because Roger Harper said on the Mason and Guests show, that spinners are needed during the dry season in England, pacers are more successful.
Dukes responded to that post by showing spinners taking wickets in England, he did not say, if though wickets was taken during the dry season.
Roger Harper had no intention of taking additional spinners, other than the three that played against Afghanistan.

People are interpreting my stance on Permaul as me thinking he should be playing for the West Indies.That is NOT THE CASE.He should be in the RESERVES..
Here are the bowlers in the 25 or should I say 26 with the addition of Keemo.
1.Roach
2.Joseph
3. J. Holder
4.C. Holder
5.Cornwall
6.Reifer
7.Gabriel
8.Harding
9.McSween
10.Mindley
11.Phillip
12.Thomas
13.Warrican
This is why Permaul's omission is more egregious than any previous omission.We have never selected 25/26 players in a touring squad and certainly never 13 bowlers.To omit a man who took 50 wickets in 8 matches at an average of 12.98 in that setting is UNPRECEDENTED!!!!!

In reply to Dukes

Lance Gibb was attacked by fans from the Leewards by saying our spinners cannot spin the ball, from bowling from a few steps.
Leewards fans assume it was an attack on Cornwall.
I am not surprise with the omission of spinners, after listening to Harper.

In reply to Dukes

permaul is a nothing spinner. Lara and sarwan would have murdered him.He doesen't turn the ball. He bowls a relatively tight light at his best but nothing else. We all know that the regional competition is full of batsmen incompetent at playing slow bowling. If he goes to england, where most non-native spinners struggle, he would be hammered.
BTW, he will be on Mason and Guest this evening.

In reply to openning

Curling

American football (the quarterback is the de facto captain of any football team)

In reply to Jumpstart

More reason why the official section policy is a farce

In reply to Jumpstart

Bradman would have murdered all of them!!!!!!

In reply to imusic
has been so since holder's ascendance.

In reply to openning

Hola...deal with it...dont choke...emergency department only open for covid patients...
fact is Bishoo was an emerging player..(international recognition) but sadly was told thereafter to phuck off..cut it anyway you want ...he was told to phuck off...

As Dukes says its about your top bowler(whether he is a fluke or what)..cant be considered in a 25 out of 26 selection.
Which only points to a nonsensical
conclusion by the selectors..
A fluky bowler got 50 wickets in your premier competition...but is told he cannot out batsmen of caliber....so what kind of batsmen or should I say 'what talented batsmen"we sending to represent the region.
Dont choke..emergency department closed..all you supposedly in the know should state facts and stop pussy footing...only cowboys is the call now.
Adios
CB

In reply to Dukes

What was Bradman’s strike rate?

How would Bradman have fared against WI 4 prong in their heyday?

How would Bradman have fared against Waqa You is, Wasim Akram, Imran Khan, and Abdul Qadir?

Have you seen Bradman bat?

In reply to Jumpstart

Disagree. Has been so since the advent of the policy that states to be eligible for any format, a player must play in the regional tournament that corresponds to that format.

In reply to CITYBOY

Dude I commented on Bishoo's bowling in real time, I also listened to Harper speaking about spinners bowling in England, on the Mason show and wrote about it.
The selection of the spinners that played against Afghanistan was not a surprise to me, because two Guyanese spoke about West Indies spinners on that show.
The person that fans should want to send to the Emergency department is Harper, not Jason Holder treatment of Bishoo

In reply to imusic

has that not been since holder became cappo? Gayle, neither narine played the regional first class tourney in 2012(both went to the ipl) and both were picked for the test series versus NZ and narine was picked for the last test versus england that summer. Is only dat clown pybus along with Brownenose of similar intelligence came up with it. That is why they could rationalize playing chandrika and co.

In reply to Jumpstart

Don’t think so. It probably coincided with the advent of T20 pro leagues which predated Holder’s appointment as captain.

The stipulation that a player HAD TO PLAY in the regional tournament To be eligible for selection went all the way back to Desmond Haynes. But West Indies were by and large locked out of English County cricket by then (even though dates didn’t really conflict), and there was no T20 in those times so there wasn’t any other option for players.

One could even say it went back to Packer days. WICB replaced the entire team once the Packer players went to Australia.

But this iteration of club vs ”country” conflict really only happened with the popularity of T20 pro leagues, and that was during Sammy’s tenure if I not mistaken

In reply to imusic

You are spot on, it also created a number of inexperience amateurs, playing against professionals.

In reply to imusic

Obviously I have only seen a few clips of him batting.My father told me that Bradman scored 300 in a day's play.I researched it and found that it was true.He was 309* at the end of the first day's play in 1930 at Headingley
I am unaware of any cricketer scoring 300 in a day's play.
Now if you want to extrapolate from that statistic then one can well imagine that he could score quickly.

As a point of reference the most runs Brian Lara ever scored in a single day in a test match is 227.

In reply to Dukes
Were you able to listen to Roger, on not selecting Permaul?

In reply to openning

NO,What did he say?

In reply to Dukes
Best to listen to the podcast, but they went for the two spinners that played against Afghanistan, using the incumbent as a reserve.

In reply to openning

So nobody asked Roger why they felt they needed an extra 6 fast bowlers in the reserve squad? It is the sort of question anybody with common sense would ask, but maybe common sense aint common!!!!!!

7.Gabriel
8.Harding
9.McSween
10.Mindley
11.Phillip
12.Thomas

In reply to openning

If that’s their explanation, then Permaul could have taken 100 wickets in the tournament, he wasn’t going to get in ahead of Warrican. And Chase is regarded by the selectors as a front line spinner.

In reply to imusic

That's what I gather a few weeks ago listening to Harper, Lance Gibbs also stated, the spinners cannot spin the ball, bowling from two steps.
Harper said a few weeks ago, spinners are only needed in England, during the dry season.

In reply to openning

U R missing the point.Permaul is no big time spinner of the ball but neither is Warrican.Yet they can pick 6 extra fast bowlers.They can pick 11 fast bowlers in a squad but can't pick a spinner who took 50 wickets in 8 matches in their premier first class competition.

ELEVEN FAST BOWLERS!!!!!!!!!!

In reply to Dukes

I am not missing any point, this virus has given me the opportunity to listen to a number of players live, on Instagram.
I watched Jason Holder twice on live chat, you are not going to see chop and changes, with this new management group.
Jason and Phil understand building a team.
Not only did they not select Permaul, but not any other spinner from the group of thirty.
If Naraine was available he would be in the squad of fourteen, that's the only spinner this group will select.

In reply to openning

So that comes back to a question that was asked earlier … Why have regional competitions if there will be no chop and change to this core group of players who they will keep recycling even if they don't perform?

They can save themselves a ton of money since these local tournaments cost a lot and people don't even turn up to watch ...

In reply to Kay
Were you around when Miller was over looked?

A number of new players on that list, it more about spinners in the region.
Only a few weeks ago, fans from the Leewards was going after Lance Gibbs, our spinners cannot spin the ball from bowling from two steps.
He was referring to Chase, Cornwall and Warrican, who he had spoken to.

In reply to openning

How does selecting Permaul instead of one of Harding,McSween,Mindley or Phillip represent chopping and changing since none of these four fast bowlers have ever been selected in a West Indies senior team.

You keep bringing up Lance Gibbs, but Lance is talking about spinners having the goods to bowl out test teams,I am talking about a spinner making a squad instead of one of 4 rookie fast bowlers.

In reply to imusic

You're right. haynes could not play the 1995 australia series because they said he had played in SA instead of the 4 day tournament....i think with Transvaal

In reply to Dukes

are you stating the issue is which mediocre player we are sending?

In reply to Dukes
Doc, the selectors had no intention of adding any additional spinner to the team.
I sense that from Harper's first interview on Mason and Guest, of which you listened to, via the Podcast.
The selection of so many reserve pacers, should show you the mindset of the selectors.
Roger Harper just dont believe, our spinners will make a difference on this tour, that the reason for the omission of Permaul.

In reply to Jumpstart

YES!!!!!

In reply to openning

R U suggesting that Roger Harper believes that Harding,Phillip, McSween or Mindley will make a difference on this tour?????

In reply to Dukes

You went to school longer than me, even though I had about 3-5 years of post secondary education.
Yes, just by his words and selection.

In reply to openning

Well using the most diplomatic language possible.We will see if time will reflect credit on his judgement in this case.

In reply to Dukes

Anyone looking at the reserve selection, know it make very little sense.
The reason for Warrican selection is, he was part of the last test squad, thats Harper's words
I had the opportunity to listened to a number of players live, the last few months.
What I can say, Phil and Jason do not want to chop and change players, they want to build a squad.

Going on numbers Permaul have a good argument for selection, however very few spinners are successful in England, even Test Teams that are dependent on spinners to get their wicket do not expect much from their spinners when they tour England, so Harper is being practical by selecting 6 fast bowlers for the 25 man squad.

In reply to dayne

The reason for my frustration on this board is when I see posts like the above.

Lemme repeat for the UMPTEENTH TIME

THERE ARE ELEVEN FAST BOWLERS IN THE 25 MAN SQUAD

Because I have posted this AD NAUSEAM in the past I will list them so you would not post the same thing again

1.KEMAR ROACH
2.JASON HOLDER
3.ALZHARRY JOSEPH
4.CHEMAR HOLDER
5.RAYMON REIFER
6.SHANNON GABRIEL
7.KEON HARDING
8.ANDERSON PHILLIP
9.PRESTON MCSWEEN
10.OSHANE THOMAS
11.MARQUINO MINDLEY

PHEW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In reply to Dukes

12 not 11, Kyle Mayers is also a medium pacer.

In reply to Dukes

Calm down, I mis-spoke, I should have said the reserve squad, that the issue most people are having, that Permaul was not even included in the reserve squad.