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HEADLINE: 'Drop Hope for his own good' - Ambrose

 
CaribbeanCricket.com 2020-07-22 19:25:35 

West Indies legend Curtly Ambrose believes the team should consider removing Shai Hope from the line-up against England, for his own good, after a brutal run of form has severely limited the player’s impact in the ongoing series.

Hope was among the few standout players when the team played England in the 2017 series.  In fact, his two finely crafted 100s played a critical role in the team turning the tables on England for a shock victory in the second Test at Headingly.

"Something has gone terribly wrong for him since those two centuries at Headingley - he hasn't done anything really in Test cricket since then," said Ambrose recently told Sky Sports.

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velo 2020-07-22 19:36:24 

spot on ambrose you can't keep playing hope on the back of two centuries a couple of years ago that is ridiculous i can't understand why his test form is so poor in comparision to his one day form

 
dayne 2020-07-22 19:53:27 

I agree with Ambrose, but in the 15 man squad there in no one who could sensibly replace him with Campbell being un-productive also.

 
embsallie 2020-07-22 19:54:22 

In reply to velo

i can't understand why his test form is so poor in comparision to his one day form


Maybe he is a one-day player, dressed in test cricket clothing?

lol lol

 
Norm 2020-07-22 20:17:16 

Wait, this Ambrose guy cannot be a Bajan.

 
Star 2020-07-22 20:19:17 

In reply to dayne
I do not agree with dropping Shia Hope.

Rest roach for Chemar Holder. Drop Campbell for Cornwall. Hope opens with KB.

 
camos 2020-07-22 20:32:29 

In reply to Star

I do not agree with dropping Shia Hope.



well ! rest him them.

lol

 
Raggs 2020-07-22 21:07:39 

Ambrose don't believe in a star batsman he used to say get us some runs so the bowlers can defend them. No surprise there.
Hope is living off representation of 3 yrs ago. Ambrose saying rest him and bring him back with fire in his belly to prove a point.

 
JoeGrine 2020-07-22 22:57:23 

[b]In reply to Star

I'm curious, on what basis are you dropping Campbell yet retaining Hope even to the tune of having him (Hope) opening the innings?

 
Star 2020-07-22 23:40:38 

In reply to camos
Did you not see where I followed up with the following?

Hope opens with KB


What is your point?

 
Star 2020-07-22 23:50:09 

In reply to JoeGrine
That is not difficult to answer.

Although a player may have a lean run we will normally look back on his performances against the specific team under similar circumstances and come to a reasonable conclusion after weighing the pros and cons against inclusion or exclusion.

Hope comes out ahead of Campbell in this instance.

 
JoeGrine 2020-07-22 23:59:39 

In reply to Star


specific team under similar circumstances


Did he open against this specific (English) Test team while having a runs drought?

Note, I am not advocating for either player, I just find your position difficult to come to grips with.

 
Star 2020-07-23 01:15:58 

In reply to JoeGrine
Specific team means his past performance against England and not necessarily against every individual English player.

Similar circumstances means playing test cricket in England where the ball moves around considerably more than in other countries.

I think that is pretty straightforward to grasp. Don't you think that gives Shia Hope the edge over Campbell at this time, given that he did exceedingly well against England in his previous tour there?

 
DIEHARD 2020-07-23 01:26:36 

In reply to Star

You just start watch WI cricket?

Hope failed miserably as an opener.

He's been failing at 3, and you want to push him back to open, while dropping a man who average more as an opener, and I'd also a specialist opener.

Might be one of the dumbest posts I've ever seen on here

 
Slipfeeler 2020-07-23 01:58:32 

In reply to Star

Say what? That is the most insular and irrational logic I have ever heard even by island standards. big grin big grin big grin

 
openning 2020-07-23 02:18:05 

Roland Butcher who is part of the BCA board, said on the Mason and Guest show, that he will drop Shai for the last test.
I believe the entire panel has Cornwall in the X1.

 
imusic 2020-07-23 02:21:07 

Phil has guts. That much is evident

But does he have the “guts” to drop a bajan with the bajan captain, vice captain, 4 other Bajans, and bajan assistant coaches? Doh talk bout Conde waiting like mapeepee on he computer to send email cool

 
Star 2020-07-23 02:25:20 

In reply to DIEHARD

Might be one of the dumbest posts I've ever seen on here

Ok.

So since your response to my dumb post can not be classified as one of the dumbest posts ever seen here, would it be reasonable to conclude from your not dumb post that because a man is a specialist opener it is ok to continue playing him although he failed to produce and that it would be more logical to play this man instead of another man who scored two centuries during his previous tour to England?

Campbell in England this year: 2 test, 4 innings, 52 runs, HS 28.
Previous tour to England: Campbell ---------

Hope in England this year: 2 test, 4 innings, 57 runs, HS 25.
Previous tour to England: Hope 2 centuries.
What position did Hope bat at when he scored his two centuries against England in England?

I am asking you because I do not know.

 
Inity 2020-07-23 10:35:59 

[b]In reply to imusic[/b
That statement doesn't help, it is a WI team. I know you are backing the guys to win or at least draw this match.

 
jacksprat 2020-07-23 10:58:00 

Ambrose has made a valid point which I fully endorse.

Talent wise, Hope is our second best batsman after Darren Bravo. Lest we forget, Bravo was dropped after a run of failure but nothing compared to Hope's paltry returns throughout his career, but especially over the past 2 years.

I think Hope is a good batsman but those 2 centuries were the exception rather than the rule in his test career so far. The sad and inescapable fact is that he has averaged about 20 runs on either side of those centuries, and this has roughly been his test batting average for every year, except for 2017- the year of those recording breaking centuries..

 
natty_forever 2020-07-23 11:04:08 

In reply to jacksprat

Fluke?

 
jacksprat 2020-07-23 11:09:00 

In reply to natty_forever

I would not say it was a fluke but he just has not delivered.

Faoud Bacchus, another underachieving batsman of a bygone era, once score 250 against India - his only century. I did not think that was a fluke because Bacchus was evidently a very talented batsman who did not do his talent justice.

 
StumpCam 2020-07-23 12:34:18 

What West Indies needs is a
Irving Shillingford
Basil Williams
Everton Mathis
Sew Shivnarine
Dwayne Smith
Players who can come in and make an immediate impact!
Does WI have those caliber players in their ranks??
Can Cornwall and Bonner fill the bill??

 
mikesiva 2020-07-24 06:09:59 

In reply to jacksprat

Hope needs to go back to FC cricket, and play a full season for Barbados. Maybe then we will see him regain his mojo.

But at the moment, his stats bear comparison with Devon Smith, Kieran Powell, Darren Ganga and Stuart Williams.

The comparison with Faoud Bacchus is a good one. He played 19 Tests for an average of 26. How many Tests has Shai played for his average of 26?

 
shivnotout 2020-07-25 14:42:24 

In reply to Slipfeeler

out Caught by Buttler!! That's an Anderson special. Hope had no chance against this peach. The seam pointed in and the ball angled in as well, so Hope had to play but the ball shapes away late, squaring up Hope and taking the outside edge. Buttler does the rest by moving to his right and completing the catch. Another start and another failure for Hope. Shai Hope c Buttler b Anderson 17(64)
lol

 
Dukes 2020-07-25 14:45:39 

Allyuh hear Mike Atherton talking about the fact that Shai Hope has not played a first class match since 2017? Wonder where he got that from!!!!LOL.He was wrong in stating that his last first class match outside test cricket was when he scored 215 against Guyana for Barbados.His last first class match outside test cricket was in England when he scored a century on the 2017 tour.

 
Norm 2020-07-25 15:29:50 

In reply to Dukes

That won't help him either. Good bowlers with unlimited overs will figure him out quickly enough on any given day.

 
culpepperboy 2020-07-25 15:32:48 

In reply to Dukes

I hope he wasn't playing ODI cricket during the west indies first class tournament. Who schedules these things again?

 
natty_forever 2020-07-25 15:34:15 

In reply to Dukes

And then ask, how come he is selected and not Pooran, having not played any FC cricket since 2017.
How he is selected for true, when his only "FC" cricket is test cricket and he has not produced there either.

 
Slipfeeler 2020-07-25 17:34:19 

In reply to natty_forever

Hope, Dowrich, and Braithwaite after this series will have a lot of time to play for Barbados, and redevelop their motivation to perform consistently in the game.
Although Dowrich could come back with a ton tomorrow.

 
Jumpstart 2020-07-25 17:46:07 

In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com

As usual.....ambrose is spot on. Hope is stuck in a negative mindset. He doesen't even want to turnover the strike. Yes the Anderson ball was great but had they been rotating the strike, it is likely he would not have been able to bowl that ball. But hope was a sitting duck.

 
Jumpstart 2020-07-25 17:47:46 

In reply to Slipfeeler

Dowrich has had one bad test at the crease. Foreign keepers usually struggle in india. But campbell and hope are a serious problem

 
shivnotout 2020-07-28 11:17:41 

In reply to Jumpstart

Woakes to Shai Hope,

out Caught by Broad!! It was already a horrible tour, and he's made sure the end's uglier. A pretty short delivery, and Hope can't resist the pull on this. And he does with zero control. Shai Hope c Broad b Woakes 31(3cool