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FW DeKlerk is dead at 85

 
Chrissy 2021-11-11 13:02:48 

That is all

 
dayne 2021-11-11 13:34:01 

In reply to Chrissy

Well the World has one less despicable person walking around, how many lives were cut short by the policies of that man.

 
Jabari18 2021-11-11 15:04:57 

(Un)fortunately I know not of this man. Based on the first comments I choose not to honor him by learning about him

 
WI_cricfan 2021-11-11 15:47:54 

How many lives were cut short by Bush

 
bravos 2021-11-11 15:50:23 

In reply to Jabari18

You so young Bari ?

Such men seem blessed with long life..
redface

Thankfully he was the last of a very dark era in modern history .

 
Brerzerk 2021-11-11 18:22:01 

In reply to Chrissy
Look satan look, annada wan by di gate!!!

 
hubert 2021-11-11 18:23:03 

In reply to Brerzerk


lol lol lol lol

 
bravos 2021-11-11 18:42:45 

In reply to Brerzerk

"Peter wait look De Klerk by de gate".

Bun he !!

Some big ones get bun in dat one ! Columbus,Reagan Thatcher with SA sanctions too..

Sadly this list was before Bush et al lol.
smile

 
Alan 2021-11-11 18:53:42 

Opinion with regard to De Klerk is divided.He once was a part of the SA National party and its institutionally racist policies.However released and worked with Mandela to ensure a smooth transition of power to black majority rule in South Africa.A wicked man? Or a repentant former racist who was wise enough to realise that the regime was losing the liberation war and isolated by international opinion? He did apologise for the racist crimes of Apartheid when he stepped down.But some say he did so and befriended Mandela to avoid any war crimes trials that mjght have followed.Take your pick.He died of cancer.

 
Chrissy 2021-11-11 19:19:20 

In reply to Brerzerk

lol lol

 
Halliwell 2021-11-11 19:30:05 

In reply to Chrissy

Some folks will come with their usual “not everything he did was bad” truth bombshell a la Powell

Good riddance to another symbol of people’s unjust experiences

 
Chrissy 2021-11-11 20:20:02 

In reply to Halliwell

Leff dem. Good riddance indeed. Not only was he still a racist, but he also left Mandela with all the debts they accrued and IMF restrictions on the way forward.

 
Brerzerk 2021-11-11 23:27:20 

In reply to bravos

Soca sweet you know and with a message sweeter yet!!

Alan- Hey, but for sanctions and Fidel who clap two shot unda dem ass DeKlerk n Co.
wouldn't budge. Man frighten like hell when Fiddy turn up and the shock that Vix's Murca tell him this is not a fight wi gwine join yuh in.

 
bravos 2021-11-11 23:57:42 

In reply to Brerzerk

Yes man he bun up Botha too ! cool

 
Emir 2021-11-12 01:53:10 

In reply to Chrissy

And remember how Reagan and Maggie bullied the free Western World to go along with their racist policy of "constructive engagement" which prevented the world from taking regime change action as well as protecting White settlers.

 
imusic 2021-11-12 02:59:37 

Media spinning him as a hero. WTF?

 
Alan 2021-11-12 05:59:57 

In reply to Halliwell
Colin Powell was a war criminal.An embarrassment to the black diaspora.Dont think he even said sorry for the lies behind the deaths of untold thousands of Iraqis arising from the illegal Iraq invasion.If yuh comparing Powell to De Klerk the former morally stank.Well for what its worth De Klerk did apologize didnt he.So although both criminals who is in a better place on " dee Day of Judgement"?
big grin

 
mikesiva 2021-11-13 13:46:40 

In reply to Alan

That apology won't mean much to the relatives of those who died in the violence stirred up by Eugene de Kock, tacitly supported by de Klerk, who also encouraged the violence by Butheleze and the Zulus.


'Glenn Frankel, writing in The Washington Post said of him, “For years, Mr. de Klerk insisted that apartheid was in its origins ‘an honorable vision of justice’ that over time had proven unworkable and unjust. He characterized the system as a mere mistake rather than a machine of brutal repression that had denied the vast majority of South Africans the most basic human rights. But in August 1996, he apologized to the country’s Truth and Reconciliation Commission for the ‘pain and suffering’ the regime caused.

“Still, the legacy of the apartheid years trailed him. In 2007, Eugene de Kock, an apartheid-era police commander who headed a death squad that targeted anti-government activists, said Mr. de Klerk’s hands were ‘soaked in blood.’ He accused Mr. de Klerk of approving gross human rights violations, a charge the former president vehemently denied. ‘I have not only a clear conscience; I am not guilty of any crime whatsoever,’ Mr. de Klerk said during a news conference in Cape Town.”'

Legacy of de Klerk

 
dayne 2021-11-13 14:07:33 

In reply to Alan

Powell did apologize for the use of bad intelligence, however I do not buy it, he had to know that the intelligence was flawed, most honest people at that time knew it was, even without having assess to any high level intelligence. But Powell allowed himself to be used by the other war criminal in the Bush administration.

 
Chrissy 2021-11-13 16:18:23 

In reply to dayne

Stewwwwwwwwwwwwwps - over one million dead Iraqis didn't hear that useless apology. He was just another war criminal.

 
Jabari18 2021-11-13 17:38:26 

In reply to bravos

You so young Bari ?


Young enough to not have been paying attention to the globe at that time. Got an update on the character from BBC. I dont think I need to add anything to that convo. He apologized but saying sorry after breaking a glass dont put it back together. I know u r not a fan of religion but tell me u wouldnt be satisfied knowing he will repaid for all his evils in the next life

 
Jabari18 2021-11-13 17:43:03 

In reply to Chrissy

The destruction of one of the historically great cities of the world. Loss of human life and childhood innocence. Radicalization of the family and friends of the victims of the unjust war. Sadam was a madman ally of the west til the dog bit the hand. At the end of the day it is only the innocent who suffered

 
Emir 2021-11-14 12:23:41 

In reply to Jabari18

Sadam was a madman


no, that is the West's narrative, he was many things but not a madman.

Do we ever call Western leaders madmen? Like Trump?

 
Wally-1 2021-11-14 13:21:41 

In reply to Chrissy

Name change, "DeadKlerk."

Wicked sun of a bitch, I wonder if those devils thought they would've lived forever.

 
Jabari18 2021-11-14 13:30:01 

In reply to Emir

Trump is a madman