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Desmond Haynes speaks about the squad selected

 
Narper 2022-09-14 18:50:37 

Haynes speaks

 
Narper 2022-09-14 18:58:38 

Dessie is not very convincing after Bish pushed him on selections and non selections

His explanation that its not the selectors' fault that Cariah in not playing CPL is just ridiculous. He is talking about Cariah against NZ in A team and ODI....a player with very limited T20 experience

In fact I believe Dessie expects changes before the WC

 
Narper 2022-09-14 19:03:43 

And he put Nicky Poo on the spot about Philip wink

 
imusic 2022-09-14 19:24:39 

In reply to Narper

He hoping that somebody gets injured so he could include Dominic Drakes. He practically said that.

 
Dukes 2022-09-14 20:48:05 

In reply to imusic

Do you think Dessie's selections are DATA-DRIVEN?????

lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol

 
sgtdjones 2022-09-14 21:30:46 

In reply to Narper

I just saw the interview ....

Why would he have Pooooo talk to Sunil?
That's an insult....what is Pooooooo now a selector.?

I didn't hear a definite Dessie meeting with Sunil.
How did Dessie come to the conclusion that Sunil is not interested in playing?

Did Pooooo convey such sentiments? So Poo now carries a player's response to the selectors?

If so third-hand assumptions that Sunil is refusing to play, noted by Pooooooo?

All I am hearing is we met with players.

See why this makes no sense and Bishop didn't hone in on such irregularities.


twisted rolleyes

 
doosra 2022-09-14 21:35:47 

In reply to sgtdjones

All of that but are they scared to talk to Narine directly? Is there some barrier? What is it?

but is there a role for the player himself to come out and declare his hand?

like Russell did?

i mean saying 'behind the scenes things going on' doesn't help either

 
sgtdjones 2022-09-14 21:37:56 

In reply to doosra

If I am playing and qualify select me...I can then refused

Narine noted recently that he is willing to play.

But you send Pooooo to ask me and find out my feelings... Is Pooo now a selector?

I would like to hear Poooo's words that he said to the selectors...not the selectors with behind the scenes bs?

That's poor management. Not unusual at CWI...

 
Dukes 2022-09-14 22:01:36 

In reply to sgtdjones

You seem to have considerable difficulty understanding what is going on here.

According to you Sunil Phillip desperately wants to play for the West Indies but CWI does not want him to play because........ actually I am not sure what their reason is.Anyway apparently Dessie is pretending that CWI want to select him but Sunil Phillip does not want to play.Dessie then invokes the name of the captain Nicky P who apparently has been advocating on Sunil Phillip's behalf, so Dessie asks Nicky P to be the emissary to Sunil Phillip to get everybody on the same page singing from the same hymnal but it seems that Sunil Phillip only wants the King James Version while Uncle Dessie insists on the Macabee version so because of this impasse Sunil Phillip will not play and so WI will not win the World Cup.

Did I get it right?


lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol

 
sgtdjones 2022-09-14 23:10:25 

In reply to Dukes

No you didn't digest my post correctly... now see it below

I just saw the interview ....

Why would he have Pooooo talk to Sunil?
That's an insult....what is Pooooooo now a selector.?

I didn't hear a definite Dessie meeting with Sunil.
How did Dessie come to the conclusion that Sunil is not interested in playing?

Did Pooooo convey such sentiments? So Poo now carries a player's response to the selectors?

If so third-hand assumptions that Sunil is refusing to play, noted by Pooooooo?

All I am hearing is we met with players.

See why this makes no sense and Bishop didn't hone in on such irregularities.



From Dukes....

You seem to have considerable difficulty understanding what is going on here.

According to you Sunil Phillip desperately wants to play for the West Indies but CWI does not want him to play because........ actually I am not sure what their reason is.Anyway apparently Dessie is pretending that CWI want to select him but Sunil Phillip does not want to play.Dessie then invokes the name of the captain Nicky P who apparently has been advocating on Sunil Phillip's behalf, so Dessie asks Nicky P to be the emissary to Sunil Phillip to get everybody on the same page singing from the same hymnal but it seems that Sunil Phillip only wants the King James Version while Uncle Dessie insists on the Macabee version so because of this impasse Sunil Phillip will not play and so WI will not win the World Cup.

Did I get it right?



My response to your post above....

I never noted he desperately wants to play ...he said he will make himself available. I did not mention CWI?

Dessie in the video said Poooo spoke to Sunil and I am not sure what Pooo said to Dessie ..but Dessie said the conclusion was he is not keen.

Why would Dessie ask Pooo to get info from Sunil? Is Poooo now a selector?

What did Poo say to Dessie ?

How did Dessie come to the conclusion that Sunil is not interested without talking to the player?

Philip never said if he doesn't play they will not win and get a King James version...

This is very poor management.

See we don't know what went on and it is pure speculation by individuals...




lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol

 
Dukes 2022-09-14 23:17:59 

In reply to sgtdjones

See we don't know what went on and it is pure speculation by individuals..


There is a reason we do not know what is going on.
However the reality is that sooner or later I will find out exactly what went on.

 
sgtdjones 2022-09-14 23:25:07 

In reply to Dukes

Notice my questions?

They beg for answers ...

Only then we shall know the truth... cool

 
Dukes 2022-09-15 02:48:36 

In reply to sgtdjones

I only have 1 question for you.

Why would CWI selectors not want Sunil Phillip to play for the West Indies in the T 20 World Cup?

As a matter of fact if anybody out there can answer that question they will have my deep gratitude because it makes absolutely no sense.

 
sgtdjones 2022-09-15 02:59:39 

In reply to Dukes

I think it is based on the T&TCB, Bassarath doesn't like Narine and laughs at him.

When Narine was called initially, Bassarath and some on the T&TCB made degrading comments about Sunil.
Dinnas took it up with WIPA at that time, I don't remember the outcome.

Bassarath is on CWI Board , who knows what he tells the Board, he is a two-face individual.

He programmed the ousting of Hunte, then Cameron.

Now in the interim, Sunil rejected all selections to play for CWI as he remodeled his action.

I am sure you are aware of how West Indians hold grudges.

 
doosra 2022-09-15 03:00:12 

In reply to Dukes

the champion bowler does not want to represent wi...not even on the biggest stage big grin

Dessie erred in not picking him

he should have and let him decline and take it from there

 
sgtdjones 2022-09-15 03:01:42 

In reply to doosra

Double bridesmaid on the same day??????


Why are you avoiding this thread...

razz razz razz

 
doosra 2022-09-15 03:03:16 

In reply to sgtdjones

ok sorry boss

tkr tek trophy big grin

 
WIfan26 2022-09-15 03:14:01 

In reply to sgtdjones

What I wanna know is how Pooran went up to Russell and Narine and tell them Uncle Dessie ain't selecting them for the WC or you think he just play dotish???

 
Dukes 2022-09-15 11:41:24 

In reply to sgtdjones

I think it is based on the T&TCB, Bassarath doesn't like Narine and laughs at him.


In response to this question

Why would CWI selectors not want Sunil Phillip to play for the West Indies in the T 20 World Cup?


Your theory is that because Bassarath does not like Sunil Phillip he has managed to persuade Uncle Dessie to significantly reduce WI chances of performing well in the World Cup by leaving out our best spin bowler from the team.The same Uncle Dessie who has been preaching about performances in CPL being important and showing that by picking Johnson Charles in this team to the World Cup.Bassarath seemed to have the same power over Roger Harper a year ago.
I am sure you are comfortable with all the above as being perfectly plausible but guess what? I am not.

 
Jumpstart 2022-09-15 13:30:27 

In reply to Narper

Cariah has not been picked in the CPL because the franchises have not bought him.....in the few games he has played for the WI, he has looked infinitely better than Hayden Walsh Jr as a batsman. Its a very good pick

 
doosra 2022-09-15 13:36:36 

In reply to Jumpstart

he is picked as a bowler

 
doosra 2022-09-15 13:37:43 

In reply to Jumpstart

Cariah has not been picked in the CPL because the franchises have not bought him.


say that again?

big grin

 
Jumpstart 2022-09-15 13:42:17 

In reply to doosra

looked better than walsh there too. Hayden is talentless.......bowls unusually slow for a finger spinning leggie, never flights the ball and barely turns it an inch....he's a slow bowler with a legspin action

 
imusic 2022-09-15 14:06:08 

Very strange that the Chairman of selectors would send the captain to hold discussions with a player regarding availability and seemingly divorce himself from that entire process.

That situation needs to be clarified.

Because it’s either a case of Narine and Haynes don’t get along, and even more than that, Narine insists that he’s NOT meeting with the COS

Or Dessie toting feelings for whatever reason and refuses to communicate with Narine directly.

In either case. People need to grow to fuck up.

Phil Simmons’ statement that he doesn’t feel the need to have to beg players to play for WI is illuminating as well.

Be an adult and do your job.

 
Dukes 2022-09-15 14:16:27 

In reply to imusic

Would you take a stab at answering the question I asked Sarge?

Here it is in case you did not see it

Why would CWI selectors not want Sunil Phillip to play for the West Indies in the T 20 World Cup?

 
Walco 2022-09-15 15:06:30 

In reply to doosra

All of that but are they scared to talk to Narine directly?

You didn't hear the people say that that they are not begging anyone to play for West Indies? CWI probably so tired hearing Narine say that he's not available that they gave up asking. Kinda like that Pavlov experiment with the dog smile

 
imusic 2022-09-15 15:58:36 

In reply to Dukes

I have no answer for that.

The only thing I can think of is pettiness. And I would hope that would be beneath all involved

 
Dukes 2022-09-15 17:04:28 

In reply to imusic

The problem with conspiracy theories is that they are usually far less plausible than the reality which is usually staring you in the face.I think by and large that people do not really believe conspiracy theories but accept it, when it fits in with what they would like to believe.Obvious example is that many people in the USA who claim that the elections were stolen from Trump do not really believe that but they would like it to be true so they could justify Trump's Insurrection.

Think about it.
1.Narine wants to play in the World Cup.
2.The selectors want Narine to play in the World Cup.

The above 2 facts mean that Narine plays in the World Cup.
I have stated on numerous occasions what is going on.To me it is obvious and logical but people have to conjure up all sorts of ridiculous scenarios to explain the situation.

 
sgtdjones 2022-09-15 17:37:13 

In reply to Dukes

Your theory is that because Bassarath does not like Sunil Phillip he has managed to persuade Uncle Dessie to significantly reduce WI chances of performing well in the World Cup by leaving out our best spin bowler from the team.The same Uncle Dessie who has been preaching about performances in CPL being important and showing that by picking Johnson Charles in this team to the World Cup.Bassarath seemed to have the same power over Roger Harper a year ago.
I am sure you are comfortable with all the above as being perfectly plausible but guess what? I am not.


What I am implying is that Bassarath does not like Sunil , based on statements he made in the past, that led to WIPA getting involved. In the Caribbean, such pettiness or grudges are a cumbersome problem.
We have seen in the past where Conde has made his opinion known , Bassarath works behind the curtains resulting in nonvotes for Hunte, then Cameron. Sunil and senior players wanted Dinnas/Ganga to lead T&TCB, but they lost. A history of ill feelings here.

The recent 200,000 dollar payment comes to mind. Read what Conde noted it's the lawyer's fault, not his Board.Was this player ever picked again?

During Harper's tenure, you are omitting Sunil saying he is not ready, still working with his coach to change his bowling action.

We have a Chief selector who sends Pooooooo to get information if Sunil is interested in playing.
Why did such occur? Did Sunil consider such to be an insult?

It would be interesting to find out what Pooo said to the selector, was it Poo's personal opinion, or was it a statement that Sunil noted?

Only then we can have an answer.

My notation is based on the ill feelings of the T&TCB cabal towards senior players. Such can be carried to the CWI board.

 
Halliwell 2022-09-15 17:40:32 

Dukes you talking about conspiracy theorists and you constantly saying if you have 1 then have another 1 it is perfectly reasonable to conclude that you have 3… lol

 
sgtdjones 2022-09-15 17:58:04 

In reply to Halliwell

So you saying Duksie can count?


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imusic 2022-09-15 18:06:19 

In reply to Halliwell

Dukes is data driven cool

 
natty_forever 2022-09-15 18:21:25 

In reply to sgtdjones

How you know he asked Poo and not that Poo offered info?

 
sgtdjones 2022-09-15 18:41:07 

In reply to natty_forever

Check the Video ...and you will see what Dessie said...

He knew Poo and Sunil were friends and asked Pooo his opinion about Sunil playing.
Dessie never approached Sunil...

 
Dukes 2022-09-15 18:42:12 

In reply to Halliwell

Growing up in GT,I had an "Uncle" from T&T who I remember telling my Boy dat man add 2 and 2 and get 22,so you can blame him for my innovative math.

 
Dukes 2022-09-15 18:47:53 

In reply to sgtdjones

During Harper's tenure, you are omitting Sunil saying he is not ready, still working with his coach to change his bowling action.


I must have missed when Sunil said that he is now ready, having completed his work with his coach and his bowling action is now beyond reproach and he is ready to represent the WI in International cricket.
Maybe you can post that presser that he held.

 
sgtdjones 2022-09-15 18:52:51 

In reply to Dukes

I must have missed when Sunil said that he is now ready, having completed his work with his coach and his bowling action is now beyond reproach and he is ready to represent the WI in International cricket.


I never said such....you are putting words in my mouth...

Sunil was never selected ..

he was asked about playing...and noted he was...

this is when he said he is working on his bowling and is not ready...

Sunil Narine not ready to return to international cricket: Harper ..


West Indies‘ white-ball skipper Kieron Pollard said spinner Sunil Narine will make his comeback to international cricket once he regains confidence in his bowling. Pollard further added that his fellow Trinidadian cricketer is still not ready to feature in the national team.

Link Text

Read what he says in this link below
I still would love to play for West Indies ..Sunil Narine

 
Dukes 2022-09-15 19:18:09 

In reply to sgtdjones

You posted 3 links in your last post and it does not matter if you post 100,the fact is that he has NEVER SAID THAT HE IS READY.
You therefore have ZERO EVIDENCE that he wants to play for the West Indies since he will only WANT TO PLAY FOR THE WEST INDIES when he is READY TO PLAY FOR THE WEST INDIES.

 
WIfan26 2022-09-16 11:00:59 

Link Text


I hope you old farts will be able to watch the link should clear up everything about Sunil Narine!!!

 
doosra 2022-09-16 11:23:04 

In reply to Walco

I'm guessing that begging comment included Lewis too

In any case just ask Narine if he's ready. Ask him directly. If yes pick him if you want him, if no leave him out and say so.

You can't tell me you not begging then using proxy to find out from him what's going on. That's a bad look

 
Dukes 2022-09-16 11:40:04 

In reply to doosra

You are asking CWI to confront Narine.How does that help CWI?

 
doosra 2022-09-16 12:00:19 

In reply to Dukes

a quiet phone call does not hurt

but seriously Chief Selector can just pick the phone up, give his man a call and have a quiet chat...whatever the outcome, just communicate it properly

i am not sure that would be a confrontation

CWI can only benefit from this either by clarity, or by having him play for the WI, and let the rest unfold.

Good leaders and not afraid to confront challenges...i remember the other day you noted leaders do these sorts of things right

 
Walco 2022-09-16 12:12:29 

In reply to Dukes

Think about it.
1.Narine wants to play in the World Cup.
2.The selectors want Narine to play in the World Cup.

When did Narine make himself available to play for the West Indies?

 
Walco 2022-09-16 12:14:44 

In reply to Dukes

I must have missed when Sunil said that he is now ready, having completed his work with his coach and his bowling action is now beyond reproach and he is ready to represent the WI in International cricket.

My apologies good sir. My last post was made before reading the above smile

 
Dukes 2022-09-16 12:17:40 

In reply to Walco

I am showing this whole scenario as a charade. Everybody who is honest to themselves knows what is going on.This is like Kabookie theater.

 
Walco 2022-09-16 12:22:01 

In reply to doosra
If the usual procedure was followed, CWI (not Dessie) reached out to Narine and asked if he is available for selection to the WC squad. You can figure out the rest about his response to the inquiry smile I think Dessie was being diplomatic in his response to that question from Bish.

 
doosra 2022-09-16 12:23:22 

In reply to Walco

man that is what I am saying...if you done with him, say so and Move on

too many people in big places afraid to call a cat a cat

just say so, and move the ball fawud

 
Walco 2022-09-16 12:26:15 

In reply to Dukes

if you done with him, say so and Move on

I think it's actually the other way around. Narine is done with international cricket.

 
Walco 2022-09-16 12:27:16 

In reply to Dukes
I'm still scratching my head trying to figure out the Cariah and Cottrell picks smile

 
doosra 2022-09-16 12:33:18 

In reply to Walco

like the CWI, he has a reason to hold on to a position...

he is not obligated to say he is done...

maybe i see this whole thing differently

 
doosra 2022-09-16 12:33:37 

In reply to Walco

Cariah is ICM pick

 
XDFIX 2022-09-16 13:11:39 

The communication channel was circumvented - according to the old way of thinking! But in the modern era, nothing is wrong with Pooran being the "water boy" in communicating with the player on behalf of the chief selector! After all, Pooran is the captain, and that must carry some weight!

 
Walco 2022-09-16 13:13:54 

In reply to doosra
But Dessie and the other selector went along with it cool I wish Cariah well though, and I will be rooting for him in the maroon.