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Clive Lloyd

Raskil 2022-09-18 01:26:22 

Stadium in Georgetown

RBK in Berbice with Freddo and Alvin stands

C’mon Guyana we need to pay homage to our greats

imusic 2022-09-18 01:31:29 

In reply to Raskil

Wait! Sammy have a whole stadium and de Babu eh even have a stand name after him? shock

CITYBOY 2022-09-18 01:32:14 

In reply to Raskil

Really !!!
What have they contributed to Guyana???
Sure they made Guyanese feel proud but they have contributed nothing economically ..
Providence is just fine.. and if some big conglomerate want to pay millions for the naming rights for a few years say
like Exxon .. so be it..
You want another Darren Dammy stadium ...or Brian Lara .. please

StumpCam 2022-09-18 01:33:38 

In reply to Raskil

Wait, you actually think Irfaan and Bharat would honor a Burhamite??? shock

Raskil 2022-09-18 01:37:57 

In reply to CITYBOY

Their cricketing exploits alone deserve that much.

I can also argue that they contributed economically in tandem.

Raskil 2022-09-18 01:42:26 

In reply to imusic

You have to remember not so long ago we couldn’t afford a new stadium until mother India stepped in and made Providence happen.

Raskil 2022-09-18 01:49:41 

In reply to StumpCam

‘ Wait, you actually think Irfaan and Bharat would honor a Burhamite??? shock ‘

They’re not stupid.
They’ve consistently done more to appease PNC voters, enough to make that party obsolete. They became APNU holding on by a thread.

CITYBOY 2022-09-18 10:40:08 

In reply to Raskil

They have done nothing to enhance Guyana ...

It’s a NATIONAL STADIUM not just for cricket ..
In addition... not many young Guyanese can identify with the names you mention .... only old timers...
It’s not my call but readily admit to the present name of the stadium and stands

National identifies with all .. and no one can claim bias or politics ..

Dukes 2022-09-18 13:23:55 

In reply to CITYBOY

In addition... not many young Guyanese can identify with the names you mention .... only old timers...

Clearly a well thought out statement!!!!!

Barry 2022-09-18 13:44:29 

In reply to CITYBOY

What Brian have to do with u? shock

doosra 2022-09-18 13:58:18 

In reply to CITYBOY

They have done nothing to enhance Guyana ...

what would count as that which would 'enhance Guyana'?

it's a serious question...not at attack on you

CITYBOY 2022-09-18 14:16:54 

In reply to doosra

No no you can attack me ,., I am a big

Anyway we are talking in terms of the cricketers and their enhancement to the economy of Guyana versus their contribution to uplifting the worldwide attention to Guyana as a country that produce or produces quality cricketers
Freddie served as a minister at one time..the rest went abroad and returned occasionally and when they did what did they do ??
The last thing you guys ( as I only visit) need now is a stirring of perceived biasness..
So for the sake of sanity and peace stick with National .. and North South etc

doosra 2022-09-18 14:24:07 

In reply to CITYBOY

ok so it boils down to economic impact

that i will argue is a very narrow view of impact

doosra 2022-09-18 14:28:20 


How do you explain Shiv Chanderpaul drive then?

Raskil 2022-09-18 14:51:12 

In reply to CITYBOY

I really don’t understand the concern of bias.

BTW many youngsters will recognize the name Viv Richards why won’t they know who Lloyd and RBK are.

The reason for naming a stadium is to keep these names in the cricketing convo just so they don’t fade away.

StumpCam 2022-09-18 15:07:19 

In reply to doosra

There used to be a Clive Lloyd Drive! Is it still there or has it been renamed???

CITYBOY 2022-09-18 15:20:15 

In reply to doosra

No need to argue ... on impact , enhancement or contribution ... everyone has a different set of eyes ..
Shiv drive is ????
Should not had been in Georgetown but a recognition to his village would had made more sense ...
Just so you understand my thinking... a street was endorsed to be given our name ... it was voted down by my parents ... and it made sense .

Raskil 2022-09-21 23:27:59 

He’s there
Playing kit and all

Halliwell 2022-09-21 23:52:42 

In reply to Raskil

The great man just have to sit through this batting display cry

Raskil 2022-09-22 00:22:11 

In reply to Halliwell

He’s padding up

googley 2022-09-22 00:25:45 

In reply to Raskil

I hope the young guns in the team making full use of the great man's presence and pick his brains!

Raskil 2022-09-22 00:32:40 

In reply to googley

He might have a word with Sheppie

powen001 2022-09-22 00:52:11 

In reply to Raskil

now see SIR CLIVE!!

178 for 8

WOW...what an Innings from GT WARRIORS!!!

powen001 2022-09-22 00:52:51 

In reply to Halliwell

The great man just have to sit through this batting display

He smiling now

Halliwell 2022-09-22 00:53:20 

In reply to powen001

Men used to say Clive was a good skipper because he had a great team
Look how he tun round proceedings today! cool

powen001 2022-09-22 00:54:21 

In reply to Halliwell

lol lol


him mek Hety more nervous than a virgin on prom night it seems big grin

Raskil 2022-09-22 00:58:00 

In reply to powen001

The man can still baxdown half of them on the team lol

Better dem show respect

Narper 2022-09-22 01:01:49 

In reply to Halliwell

I don't like how the great Sir Big PU-C sitting all by himself ...and at the ground some cant recognize him?

SnoopDog 2022-09-22 01:02:02 

In reply to powen001

him mek Hety more nervous than a virgin on prom night it seems

I’m telling Jesus on you Bro. lol

doosra 2022-09-22 01:02:25 

In reply to Narper

i think is presence...they probably don't know how to relate to the big man big grin

StumpCam 2022-09-22 01:04:16 

In reply to Narper

Big PU C looking like a born again virgin, shiny and new! lol lol

Kay 2022-09-22 01:06:03 

In reply to StumpCam

Don't trust dat look.... ah notice he looking around smile

Narper 2022-09-22 01:42:18 

In reply to doosra

i think is presence...they probably don't know how to relate to the big man

He looks like he is the oldest in the ground by far...all his age group gawn to dem maker or too frail to come to the ground?

doosra 2022-09-22 01:44:21 

In reply to Narper

yea different generations

i am glad to see him around...he looks fit and fine

powen001 2022-09-22 01:47:09 

In reply to SnoopDog

I’m telling Jesus on you Bro



lol lol

Raskil 2022-09-22 23:35:51 

He seems to have the role of a consultant...plenty notes taking.


googley 2022-09-22 23:40:22 

In reply to Raskil

what does that tell you about the current admin team? They been sleeping on the job....thats why the Big Cat was brought in.

Raskil 2022-09-22 23:58:29 

In reply to googley

Happy to see the involvement.

M Holding said that Lloyd didn’t care where you came from, more importantly what you have to offer.

I don’t know if he carried passengers like some of our recent captains and selectors.

CITYBOY 2022-09-23 13:05:15 

Lloyd phucked up Shiv...
Lloyd was kosher with Barrat but when APNU won he became a demon ,.

He is trying to ease in back but he has already been exposed ..
I don’t know who he beg to get into that dressing room. .,
Yup he led the best WI team and he was an excellent cricketer ... but ???

Raskil 2022-09-23 13:56:14 

In reply to CITYBOY

Cricket is one of the biggest uniting factors in the country.
I don’t know the details of Lloyd being political however I can say for sure that sports and politics don’t mix well.

CITYBOY 2022-09-23 16:36:31 

In reply to Raskil

Using both eyes to see ( if both are good) is better than using one or none ..
Be inquisitive and always seek out facts ... don’t be emotional about matters ... it leads to bias and fiction .
That’s all ....
And by the way cricket has always been in Guyana and Guyana historically has issues saying that unifies is utter garbage ....
Good luck to your warriors ...

Raskil 2022-09-23 16:37:38 

In reply to CITYBOY


Dukes 2022-09-23 16:55:40 

In reply to CITYBOY

when APNU won he became a demon

What did Lloyd say or do when APNU won that causes you to say he became a demon?

StumpCam 2022-09-23 17:13:48 

In reply to Dukes

Don’t know what vibes Citi is on, but Clive Lloyd is the humblest of human beings I have ever known.

CITYBOY 2022-09-23 18:51:44 

In reply to Dukes

That’s a conversation you and I can have .. Lloyd has been very civil ..( will not say more )...
However please recall.. jog your memory please ... he was cricket persona with Bharat and very nice and cooperative but APNU wins and Lloyd distants himself from the supportive role he played...
Man ah man, man nah tabacca stick,..
Did our boy Lloyd not engineer the end of Shiv ?? A son of Guyana who could in all reality had been the highest run scorer in tests for the West Indies??
Anyway I think he regrets that role he played was not nice ...
Let’s leave it at that ..
Maybe the word “Demon “ is a bit harsh.. maybe I can rephrase as a “bad error of judgement “
Me and you will have a drink ( your el dorado ) and shoot the breeze ..

Jumpstart 2022-09-23 19:45:00 

In reply to CITYBOY

Did our boy Lloyd not engineer the end of Shiv ?? A son of Guyana who could in all reality had been the highest run scorer in tests for the West Indies??

shiv is the least of clive's sins with cameron. He was selector when the india tour was rightfully abandoned(after WIPA decided to cut the players' earnings from the tour to fund the ridiculous PCL;all the while not funding and eventually shutting down the Sagicor HPC) and oversaw the desolation of a potential world cup winning team that had drawn with McCulum's NZ in 2014. Put Holder is a position he should not have been, exposing him to two spectacular maulings from AB de Villears. I remember when the team was broken up and gayle, bravo, pollard , russell and rampaul suddenly found themselves in the cold, Martin Crowe wrote an article saying that Clive had lost a lot of respect all over the world because of going along with Cameron who no one likes or even respects. He made a huge error in judgment going down the road with that guy. Read Crowe's opinion on the eve of the 2015 world cup.
Young Jason Holder has been thrown a shocking hospital pass only weeks out. How Clive Lloyd thought a 23-year-old would manage his first hours as a new captain in the intense cauldron of a World Cup is beyond me. It makes no sense to have left out Dwayne Bravo, let alone as captain. All this upheaval makes it hard to think they have any hope, but funnier things have happened. If Chris Gayle or Marlon Samuels get in the right mood, they will be a cause for concern for any opponent. A massive if.

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Bravo aint everybody's cup of tea, in fact his antics does regularly irritate trinidadians......but the fact is he was the most innovative captain in the region, and his tactics really kept teams on their toes and was well liked and respected by the team. The only person in the WI set up who didn't like Bravo was Marlon and according to multiple sources in and outside of WI cricket(including Shane Warne)....nobodly likes samuels

CITYBOY 2022-09-23 19:53:57 

In reply to StumpCam

Did I not say he is civil if you met/ knew him??

CITYBOY 2022-09-23 19:56:20 

In reply to Jumpstart

So is that why he went against Cameron who wanted Shiv on team ???
We would never know... it’s in the history books and debatable as to why Lloyd made that decision ...

Dukes 2022-09-23 20:38:01 

It is most unfortunate that some people's opinion on Clive Lloyd is solely defined by the fact that he was Chairman of the selectors when Shiv Chanderpaul was dropped.Proponets of this attitude always point to the belief that Shiv was solely dropped in order to prevent him from taking over from Lara the mantle of the person who scored the most runs in Test cricket for the West Indies.
This attitude is best described as RAGE that Shiv was not granted the privilege of becoming the highest run scorer for the West Indies.It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out what is really going on here.
Let me state some facts that these crusaders against Clive Lloyd never mention

I can not remember who the 3rd person on the Selection Committee was but I know that Courtney Walsh was a selector.I also know that whenever a decision to leave out an aging West Indian great is made, there is usually not only consensus but wide consultation.There is also a protocol to have a private discussion with the player as a matter of respect.The fact that such a discussion with Shiv never took place is 100% due to Shiv ,knowing a call was going to be made, ensured that he never spoke to Clive despite numerous messages to his cell phone and cell phones of his father and others around him.He hid from Lloyd PLAIN AND SIMPLE

Why did the selectors decide to drop Shiv?
In his last 6 test matches which were 3 each against South Africa and England,in 11 innings Shiv scored 183 runs in 11 completed innings.He had 6 single digit scores, a solitary 50 and averaged 16.63 in those matchesHis test average dropped from 53.11 to 51.37.At the time of his dropping Shiv was almost 41 years old.
Incidentally Lloyd is also blamed fro dropping Alvin Kallicharran and has been accused by the same people who pillory him about Shiv,of hating Kallicharran because of the Packer fiasco. I know the facts and that notion is poppycock.
It is sad that Guyana cricket is constantly being hauled into the mud by people who have a solitary agenda in life and can not help themselves and set aside their seemingly unprincipled proclivities.

doosra 2022-09-23 20:53:35 

In reply to Dukes

In his last 6 test matches which were 3 each against South Africa and England,in 11 innings Shiv scored 183 runs in 11 completed innings.He had 6 single digit scores, a solitary 50 and averaged 16.63 in those matchesHis test average dropped from 53.11 to 51.37.At the time of his dropping Shiv was almost 41 years old.

so it was his age then?

because clearly you are not suggesting dropping your best player (firing your best employee) for the past 10+ years based on 1 or 2 poor performances?

if the phone call was to inform him of his impending firing then the only issue there is one of courtesy

Narper 2022-09-23 21:23:54 

In reply to Dukes

Less than a year before the OBSCENE dropping,,,, Shiv was the best performing fact I heard Lloyd say that on air...when he clearly stated there was no plan to drop Shiv....that he was still the best performing test who convinced him otherwise???

One bad patch in 10 years....why the haste to drop your best batsman....because he is 41 and in a bad patch? There were absolutely no obvious replacements for fact to this day....NO ONE has filled Shiv's shoes....but Lloyd tried to pacify some people by including Chandrika....what a joke and an insult to people.

Shiv didn't ask to continue indefinitely....he requested the two tests.

Prezzie Cameron agreed and asked Lloyd to give Shiv the two tests...well the rest is history....and lloyd and Simmons were later rightly fired by Cameron.

BTW Shiv continued to play FC cricket for years after with reasonable success....performing better than most in the WI team at that time

doosra 2022-09-23 21:29:44 

In reply to Narper

3-6 months (June and Sept 2014) prior the first of those 2 series cited (Dec 2014), Shiv played 2 series, One against NZ in NZ (June 2014) and one against Bangla at Home (Sept 2014). He scored a total 465 runs at 116.25...

if one is going to argue that he was failing, it is only reasonable that they include those 2 series given that one was in June and the other in Sept of the same year that a 'failure' (Dec) was noted...

to dismiss speculative views about motives for dropping Shiv using statistics does not cut it for me...

Narper 2022-09-23 21:40:52 

In reply to doosra

to dismiss speculative views about motives using statistics alone does not cut it for me..

Let Dukesy et al try to spin....they are spinning in mud.

I will respect Clive LLoyd the WI player and cappo of the WI team....but for nothing else.

Doos I don't care that Shiv don't have that so called record of most test runs.....

but to deny your most humble servant a request to play two more tests matches...regardless of his a shame and disgrace....and there was no way with or without Shiv the WI was going to beat OZ anyway...

Raskil 2022-09-23 22:20:49 

Whatever happened, West Indies cricket continue to suffer from lack of transparency.

Look Sarwan took the job then swiftly resigned.

No one knows the real reason.

Doesn’t the public, fans from across the region and world deserve to know what’s really going on?

The board cannot secure proper sponsors.

CITYBOY 2022-09-23 22:29:38 

In reply to Narper

Don’t gang up on Dukes ... it’s very sad that he is trying to justify a blatant wrong ....
But what the heck .... life goes on ...a GUYANESE WOULD HAD THE MOST
RUNS... but Dukes and Loyd are comfortable that a son of the soil was denied ... because he too old and could not see ...yet the blind and old chap went up to England and mash up some bowling.
Me gone ... But do you know who Lloyd cuss out the most for the World Cup loss to India ...???
Figure it out guys ...
Go easy on Dukes ... it’s not his fault ...

CITYBOY 2022-09-23 22:33:34 

In reply to Raskil

You should ask why Sarwan ..was removed from captaincy when he was first appointed ??
That’s an episode that was hush hush ..
Ask Lara and Ken Gordon

Raskil 2022-09-23 22:57:48 

In reply to CITYBOY

It’s no secret.

However Sarwan quit his chance to right some wrongs.

Logic 2022-09-24 09:40:12 

In reply to Jumpstart

I have to agree on the calamity of the Dw Bravo omission.

But since the original thread was on the absence of Lloyd's name on a cricket ground in Guyana, I have to say that Lloyd's competence or virtue as a selector is irrelevant. He was arguably the most successful WI captain ever. His name should be memorialized. If Guyanese too myopic and divided to appreciate that then they are the problem, not him

Logic 2022-09-24 10:02:31 

Captain of the first 2 and our only 2 one day world cup winning teams. Leader of a team that inspired millions in the diaspora to hold their heads high and assert themselves in hostile environments...a team that shook up the established norms of the game and perhaps did as much to drive an arrow into the heart of the apartheid system in SA as any economic sanctions could do.

If Guyanese can't rally together to recognise this man as a national hero....despite his flaws, as he is human....Guyana is permanently lost

CITYBOY 2022-09-24 11:52:27 

In reply to Logic

Don’t overate Lloyd ..he was a good cricketer and he had a very good team ... WI had a following because they were winning ...
You are suggesting that it was Loyd and Loyd only ..VIV had a winning team .,,
Players make a successful captain. .. Butcher once said to me “ how can we ever lose when we had a Sobers .. a 3 cricketer in one “”
If he inspired millions as you put it do be it ... but inspired to do what ??Show relevance or stop chatting ..
The rebel team to S A did more ... do some research

StumpCam 2022-09-24 11:55:32 

In reply to CITYBOY

How many WC VIV won with his great leadership and team?? lol lol

CITYBOY 2022-09-24 12:55:39 

In reply to StumpCam

If the WC trophies are the measurement then Sammy should be immortalized and be viewed as great alongside Loyd ...
Tired chatting about Loyd ,.. moving on !!

Logic 2022-09-25 03:10:59 

In reply to CITYBOY

Sammy was ..... despite his achievements being minute in comparison to Lloyd, the man has a whole stadium named after him.

I have found Guyanese of all races to be lovely individuals. But the lack of unified pride keeps holding back this potentially great country. A country needs heroes to help develop that sense of pride and unity. Guyana seems to have few heroes that all can rally around. Your best hope is your cricketers. But if you reject them too you diminish your own country.