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This all inclusive scam needs to be ended once and for all

BS Initiative…
Apartheid Yardie style

In reply to FanAttick


There is a reason every house in Jamaica has a grill today compared to granny days!

That said, the government should ensure that there is access to public beaches throughout the country!

Not sure these guys can win their cases in the courts because they have access to the beaches but not via private property!

In reply to XDFIX

I was in China a couple months ago…every house and business in the town I visited had grills but I was able to move freely in public spaces

In reply to FanAttick

Devalue, regulate, divest and die- neoliberal capitalism has no place for locals.
Soon we won’t even see di sea as di walls get higher and higher.
Tourism will never lead to development.
Dem tief di entire coastline and not just in JA.

I witnessed some of the "slow-creep" towards that. Utterly disgraceful!!

A national disgrace, I am living on the north coast and i have never paid to go on a beach.
Had to sus out the few remaining free beaches here and there.

I would consider it blasphemous if i had to pay.

In reply to XDFIX

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Maybe i am not too smart But i am not grilling up my house
Building my Air B&B Four years ago 3 hombre with machine in their waist
try to extort me.
Dem had to tek wey themselve ... because duppy kno who fi fighten

On the flip side most of the free beaches are dirty.
the people refuse to clean up, thus you will see empty bottles,spoon forks discarded plates, plastic bags, tin cans

Dogs rummaging through the debris. quite disgusting actually

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If the government allow the public access to these ‘private’ beaches they’ll have to spend millions on security

If a tourist paying top dollar all inclusive they don’t want to be harassed by hawkers and limers.
The investment will dry up and the tourists will stop coming

Isn’t a balance possible here, where the government don’t allow cheek by jowl sale of the beaches.
Allow for public access beaches every 2 km or so…

In reply to Halliwell

Yuh think tourists deserve more security than rank and file Jamaicans?

In reply to FanAttick

Not at all; in fact the tourists are second in line

My point is the government doesn’t want to spend that money, on nobody

In reply to Halliwell

Why cant they tax the all-inclusive to fund security?

How much tax has Sandals paid over the last 30 years..I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s Zero.

In reply to jahmekyah
While I don’t believe in littering and not picking up after yourself public beaches should provide employment that keeps it clean

In reply to FanAttick
Sandals and them just only Doan pay fair taxes but are funded by the poor!!!
NIS and possibly NHT funds form part of their cheap money investment sources

In reply to Brerzerk

Sad…

In reply to FanAttick

No movement made in China without you being watched!

In reply to jahmekyah

Let's just say that the grill is your plan B

In reply to jahmekyah

Jamaicans behavior changed drastically over the past decade - a cultural change for the worse!

In reply to jahmekyah
No condoms amongst the debris?

In reply to Brerzerk

Ask Courtesy what happened when the St.Lucia government tried to get them to settle unpaid hotel occupancy tax.

In reply to XDFIX

What about Jamaica Eye?

How much money does the Jamaican government spend each year on “marketing tourism”?

In reply to Halliwell

It is hard to turn back the clock, but I would say keep all beach public and build tourism around that. Look in the USA and other places, no spots is reserved for tourist only.

Jamaica is particularly pronounced, I was shock to learn that 98% of all beaches are blocked and or privately owned.

SO Jamaicans cannot enjoy their own facilities nor can they afford to stay in their own resorts due to the high cost?

How is that sustainable development?

In reply to XDFIX
Not sure about that "every house" thingy enuh. Well at least not the district in Portland I am from.

In reply to Emir

The thing about locals being able to afford to stay a five star resort is a red herring.
When was that ever an expectation except in selected first world countries.

98% is ridiculous if true!!!

In reply to FanAttick

Wasn’t that the case some 50 + years ago, and Michael Manley somewhat change that paradigm? As the say – old-time sinting comeback again

In reply to birdseye

You’re absolutely correct. Joshua tried to change the paradigm which is one of the reason he was seen as a traitor by certain privileged classes who never forgave him for throwing his lot in with the masses…

In reply to FanAttick

What the fact you complaining about, there is no beach in Manchester! Wha yuh know ‘bout beach.

Anyway when you buy your beach front property, you want to share it with everyone?

You all like capitalism but when you see it in action unnu complain

In reply to HumbleCalf

When I was a kid Alligator Pond had a beach…where do you think the famous Little Ochie is? Obviously you skulled your geography classes. I remember Miss Gwen our basic school teacher taking us kids there quite regularly. On one occasion she waded into the water and suddenly let out a gut wrenching scream…I never saw someone reverse so fast..apparently a large fish bit her on her big toe…

Uncle Sam is supposedly the bastion of capitalism but there are very few private beaches in the USA….


In any event I might like capitalism but that doesnt mean that I like when capitalism gone mad

In reply to FanAttick
Dem tief dat beach from St. Bess to give allyuh one

In reply to Chrissy

There was a time when my grandfather owned most of St Bess - so its all good

Did I tell you about the time when my uncle had a dream about discovering treasure? He went to the place that he saw in his dream (a cave on his property in Goshen) and you wouldn’t believe it - he discovered a treasure trove of Spanish Gold Coins worth a fortune…

In reply to Chrissy

The propagandist propagandizing again

Between him and Sabina I dont know who is worse!

In reply to FanAttick


Raaasta, I never realize unnu teef dat beach. I learn something.

In reply to FanAttick

Joshua was only following his father's path..
Access to beaches was never a great problem especially for folks who did not live in Kingston.
The problem now is that the best and well appointed are going to Hotels/foreign owners who
are more numerous now and are acquiring beach lands for hotel and exclusive ownership rights
because the governments have allowed them and old laws on the books permit them to.

Back in the 50s when tourism was in its infancy, Father Manley, Norman developed Gunboat
beach off Palisadoes Road and had faciities put in to accommodate Kingstonians who except for excursion to the Cays
did not see white sand beaches and had to make do with spartan conditions along the coast for beach activity.
Gunbaot was a beehive especially on sundays and holidays and with Bournemouth in East Kingston were the two
top spots and also provided the venues for what was the popular Cross Harbour Swim meet.
Good beaches wwere non existent in Kingston really. As young boys we would go swim off Foreshore Road which became
Marcus Garvey Drive and before the Port ,Kingston Harbour underwent massive development.Used to stay on land there and throw fishing line too
in that location.

BTW. a St Mary guy, Barrington Roper used to dominate that Cross Harbour event which was hugely popular and well attended and
supported. I wonder if Gunboat is still being used. I know Bournemouth fell away and propably no longer exists.

All the problem lies with the failure of Governments to develop more beaches and also lessen the control of
foreigners to our shores.In other countries natives and foreigners share beaches. But given Jamaica's
reputation in things negative such as crime and harrassment, it is understandable why Hotels developers
have closed access as it is an investment.

Perhaps it would be best for beachfronts not be owned but leased. It belongs to Jamaicans but a paradigm shift of such magnitude
will probably never take place as things gone bad long time. If this is enacted by new laws, the traditional tourist product and investments
on which Jamaica relies so much could be drastically reduced to the country's hurt.
What the government needs to do as a matter of urgent attention is to ensure that natural wetlands,natural drainage near beaches are protected and developments
must not take place in such places.

But Jamaicans also need to take care of the beaches they have access to and get the governments to develop and maintain such for the
them. The matter of payment is vexed one though. The people should not have to as governments should be providing
facilities as a right for the people and maintain them. The caveat is that users must protect and keep the beaches free of pollution etc. and treat
them as well as heir best kept homes.
There are enough to go around and there are places that hoteliers and investors will not venture.
Cool heads and good policy need to be brought to bear and inherent in this is the proviion for fisherfolks whose livelihood depend on having access
to the sea all around the island. Good planning and management as a government can make everyone comfortable if not totally happy.
Its time for successive governments of the country to exercise wisdom and have good governmance for the betterment of the people, land and ....sea

There are quite a few Jamaicans like myself who prefer the River to the salt water beaches.And where such can be developed
for the people's enjoyment,the government should also play its part in a substantial way.

Jamaica is more than beaches and the tourism and rampant developments should not overwhelm the environment.

In reply to HumbleCalf
Conflating, heck of a stretch! I cannot go on a man's 1 acre beachfront home in SC but a hotel chain can't keep me off the public beach. Negril's 7 mile stretch is public but men would have security harassing peeps from beach areas near dem place no?

In reply to HumbleCalf
Conflating, heck of a stretch! I cannot go on a man's 1 acre beachfront home in SC but a hotel chain can't keep me off the public beach. Negril's 7 mile stretch is public but men would have security harassing peeps from beach areas near dem place no?

In reply to hubert

Thanks for the history lesson Hubie…

In reply to hubert
Bigger Brothers and Sisters regale me with stories about my Dad swimming across the harbor

The Land of Wood and Water,dat nah right.

Jamaica needs a revolution to reclaim the island from Condru ,and the monied.