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No matter your format of choice, you still need to learn to bat, which 4 day cricket provides. All the greats play all formats.

In reply to natty_forever

Kraigg Brathwaite pretty much only plays red ball cricket. Man has nearly 100 tests and over 200 FC matches.

How come he eh learn to bat yet?

And not just him:
Tage
Solozano
Ottley
Reifer
Moseley
Etc etc etc

In reply to imusic

YESSSSSSS

In reply to natty_forever

Good advice

Kraig will do as well as any of those so called T20 specialist. One day, just like that, Shiv Chanderpaul produced a century in 55 or 56 balls. Nobody expected that

In reply to imusic

In reply to natty_forever

There is always an exception to every normality.
It's called an aberration.

For example; Dave Warner.

I posted here in a tread about batsman-ship.
I watch many white ball cricketers here:-
play across the line consistently,
play with wide gaps between bat and pad,
play airy-fairy,
get frustrated when they play out 3 consecutive dot-balls,
edge through non-existent 2nd to 4th slip, even gully, and so on.

Now if they play red-ball game, especially at a higher level,
they SHOULD be abe to counter these poor shots.

White ball damage SOME batsmen's technique.
I saw batsmen trying to ramp in the Bangladesh innings.
I saw batsmen trying to reverse sweep in test.
Reserve-sweep can be a useful shot; however,
most of the batsmen I saw using it in test were frustrated from not scoring.

Cricket batting calls for flexibility, yeah I know.
like I tell my training officers,
'Learn to do things technically correct, before taking short-cuts.'
In reply to natty_forever

There is always an exception to every normality.
It's called an aberration.

For example; Dave Warner.

I posted here in a tread about batsman-ship.
I watch many white ball cricketers here:-
play across the line consistently,
play with wide gaps between bat and pad,
play airy-fairy,
get frustrated when they play out 3 consecutive dot-balls,
edge through non-existent 2nd to 4th slip, even gully, and so on.

Now if they play red-ball game, especially at a higher level,
they SHOULD be abe to counter these poor shots.

White ball damage SOME batsmen's technique.
I saw batsmen trying to ramp in the Bangladesh innings.
I saw batsmen trying to reverse sweep in test.
Reserve-sweep can be a useful shot; however,
most of the batsmen I saw using it in test were frustrated from not scoring.

Cricket batting calls for flexibility, yeah I know.
like I tell my training officers,
'Learn to do things technically correct, before taking short-cuts.'
Not every batsman is a Warner, Sir Viv, Gayle or Sehwag.

You distorting the man’s point with flawed logic .
He’s saying that 4-day cricket helps build the batting skills needed to succeed in any format.

NOT that EVERYONE who play 4-day do in fact develop good batting skills.

A better counter argument would be to show the great T20/ODI batsmen who didn’t or don’t play first class.

In reply to imusic

Every rule has an exception

In reply to Da-Vincy

Thank you sir.

In reply to natty_forever

Ok. Let’s accept that it has an exception

Seeing that you say playing red ball (4 day) cricket is going to help one learn how to bat……How has playing regional FC cricket worked out for our test batsmen in the past 10 years?

I’m looking for a minimum of 2 examples, obviously not including the “exceptions”

Thanks

In reply to imusic

all de failures that assailed wi cricket in the past were red ball men: roland holder, sunil ambris, suruj ragoonath, vishaul singh, binary chandrika, stuart williams, ryan hinds etc

In reply to imusic

Well structured 4 day cricket with qualified coaches. Wi is the exception.

In reply to Jumpstart

Dey keep on repeating players MUST play red ball cricket to bat properly.

They keep on demonizing white ball cricket as the root of all WI cricketing evil, while simultaneously advocating red ball cricket as the panacea.

When you point out the obvious…..they bawl bout “exceptions”.

I’ll tell you the “exceptions”.
Brian Lara
Shivnarine Chanderpaul
Chris Gayle
Ramnaresh Sarwan

That’s it. And they’ve retired long time.

I’m not saying red ball cricket doesn’t have a role to play. But it’s not like playing red ball cricket going to magically improve one’s batting technique AND make them successful.

The evidence (all the batsmen that have represented WI in tests in the past 10 years) doesn’t support it.

The closest player that has come to being successful in the international arena for WI in the past 10 years focusing mainly on red ball cricket is Darren Bravo.

And they run him from the game despite Bravo turning down an IPL contract and selection to a WI T20 World Cup squad to concentrate on red ball cricket.

Look how that turned out for him.

In reply to natty_forever

In other words……you can’t even name 2 players.

In reply to imusic

As I said West Indies is the exception. Please to look to the top 4 test playing nations.

Ideally our Academy(ies) should be the feeder for our 4 day leagues. Each territory having an Academy. The 4 day leagues need to be more than 5 games a season.

In reply to Jumpstart

Only 1 Trini on this list

In reply to tc1

well that's because bharath, ganga, both bravos, ramdin etc could all bat and have performances to back that up. yes they may not have achieved their potential but that is due to factors of varying sources: in ganga's case, he was technically perfect but did not have the mental toughness to be consistent....i personally think the ad hoc selection policies that had him oscillating with wavell hinds and much lower on the totem, devon smith did not help. ramdin and both bravos were forced out of cricket to accommodate players inferior to them and bharath lost interest

In reply to Jumpstart

What a bunch of crap you posted, oscillating and ducking to defend average TnT players , there are equally to the rest of those you mentioned in your previous post.

In reply to tc1

Contradict it nah. Only one bajan has scored a hundred against an Aussie attack in the last 20 years. Kraigg. Whereas four TT batsmen have scored hundreds against the aussies, two on more than one occasion

In reply to natty_forever

Ideally our Academy(ies) should be the feeder for our 4 day leagues. Each territory having an Academy. The 4 day leagues need to be more than 5 games a season.

We both post about a developmental league, an academy in each territory and the 4 colleges to capture the older cricketers who still want to pursue cricket while studying.
If you look at SL , it seems as if the college system is their development and feeder league.

In reply to Jumpstart

That is a simple argument, I can say that Bajan scored more centuries than any TnT players during that time period. Again, you cannot continue to say that Tnt players and TNT cricket association are superior to the other territories ,and that others are totally responsible for the demise of our cricket.

In reply to tc1

ask anybody outside barbados who is shane dowrich, ryan hinds, dwayne smith, ryan hurley, then you can get back to me

In reply to Jumpstart

And the response would be that Bim produce better cricketers than the Tnt , I outta here for a few days.

In reply to tc1

if they was born after 1991 they'll say no. they would have been too young to remember the last great bajan player desmond haynes and that cupboard has been barer than a 80s ethiopian pantry since

In reply to imusic

Those didn't learn to bat because
a. Deh never started their careers facing sustained good bowling
b. Deh doan practice proper fundamentals, suh practicing the same poor technique ova n ova angle mek dem wusserer

In reply to Brerzerk

remember these are the same dudes who was perishing to men like permaul and kenroy peters in fc cricket. two bowlers who proved that they were not remotely up to international standard. people used to cuss gayle for not moving his feel: gayle averages over 40 with two trip hundreds. these fellas just. cannot. bat.

In reply to Jumpstart

And the TnT Cupboard is fill to the brim.

Wait. A few days pass already???

In reply to imusic


Prepare to board the car for the trip.

In reply to tc1

In reply to tc1



Safe travels man

In reply to Brerzerk

So for those advocating playing red ball cricket to be a remedy for improper technique and being better batsmen……how does what you stated there help them in our red ball cricket?

We importing good bowlers?

In reply to Jumpstart

And we seem to not believe in the science of sports psychology.

In reply to imusic

Where have I demonised white ball cricket. I am saying playing 4 day cricket will make them better white ball cricketers. With that said we need to look at 4 day cricket, is it adding value. Our system is weak, as compared to yesteryear.

4 day cricket where a bowler can try lick off your helmet and not worry about going down legside

In reply to imusic

I continue to hear of Barbados not producing international players. Can you or Jumpy name six great international players the region has had since Gayle?

In reply to Jumpstart

You've been having lots to say, Trinies should be the last to talk about cricket.
You have produced three greats, as far as I see it: Larry Gomes, Ian Bishop and BCL.
No one considers the performance of counties, Sheild or league cricketers.
It is a performance on the International stage that counts.
Check who performed for the region during world tournaments, and name one Trini who was the MVP.