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Pacy 2014-08-26 17:57:13 

I am happy that WI beat the Bangladeshi's effectively but I still think we are 2 Batsmen short in the lineup.

I am for playing allrounders but if allrounders are playing they should be playing in the place of the bowlers lengthening the Batting line up. But we are doing neither. I am worried about having a line up with 3 Batsmen, 1 WK, 3 Allrounders (Bits and Pieces) and 4 Bowlers. This is absurdity.

Indian Series and the SA series are the only 2 series where we can fine tune the line up. Ideal Line up should have 3 Bowlers and 2 Allrounders. Anything more is something I am not comfortable with.

Gayle
Simmo
Batsman 1
Lil.Bravo
Ramdin
Batsman 2
Pollard
Dwayne Bravo
Holder
Narine
Rampaul/ Roach

If we are playing another Bowling allrounder (Sammy, Carlos Brathwaite, Russel anyone) should be playing in the place of Pollard or a Bowler.

Ramdin at 4 with Bravo and Pollard following him makes the line up very vulnerable.

Note: The CPL showed the weakness of many Trini Batsmen with Short ball. While the Bangladeshis have not tried it I dont think it would have got unnoticed. Bravo Brothers, Ramdin and Pollard could be in for some fast ones.

 
TheTrail 2014-08-27 21:21:57 

In reply to Pacy

What that team is for? T20i?

If it is for T20i Roach should not be in there.

 
gvenkat 2014-08-28 00:02:44 

In reply to Pacy

Who are batsman 1 and batsman 2 big grin

 
Pacy 2014-08-28 17:34:02 

In reply to TheTrail

I am looking at the WC. It is in Australia and in wickets very alien to the Caribbean. We would need options there

 
Pacy 2014-08-28 17:34:20 

In reply to gvenkat

Sarwan & Shiv wink

 
Logic 2014-08-28 17:53:23 

In reply to PacyIf its for the World Cup you would be well advised to have Dwayne Smith in your line up. There are very few batsmen left in the region that can handle pace now. Simmons and Smith should cope. I have doubts about the others.

 
gvenkat 2014-08-28 18:16:57 

In reply to Pacy

Sarwan is done. I can't believe you still think he has something left. Shiv I can agree. cool

 
Pacy 2014-08-28 19:23:20 

In reply to Logic

True but I see Dwayne Smith in the same type as Bravo, Pollard and Sammy. I am worried at the lack of batsman in the region. May be Blackwood? JOhnson, Carter. We need to bring some solidity to the middle order.

 
Pacy 2014-08-28 19:24:43 

In reply to gvenkat

Who knows... Sarwan could be better than some of the options WI has at the moment.

For me WI needs to use the Indian and SA leg to identify those 2 Batsmen who can hold that spot. Else we might have the same Allrounder debacle we had in last WC.

 
jballer84 2014-08-28 19:25:32 

In reply to Logic


I fully agree aith you.. No one better to take on Mitchell Johnsons's short fast bowling than dwayne smith as he does not get the ball to swing i consistently. Smith mayt have his issues with starc and faukner because they can bring the ball in sharply, but he will sure handle johnson better than mostr of these guys. He will be quick to pull anything short of a lenght over backward square. Sadly, our sil selectors don't think this deep and they do not realise that gayle and company on fast bouncy tracks will be useless

 
jballer84 2014-08-28 19:31:32 

In reply to Pacy



Sarwan has his issues with fast bowling on bouncy tracks. He has never done well on boucing wickets...my favorite player and I would love to see him back, but he needs to play on pitches that suit him, slow and low.

 
Pacy 2014-08-29 04:35:10 

In reply to jballer84

Sarwan is just the option and he did do well in SA WC. We can use anyone that is capable. But we need batting options.

 
brians_da_best 2014-08-29 16:36:18 

My team for the world cup

Gayle
Simmons / Powell

Sarwan
Lil Bravo / Blackwood
Ramdin

Pollard
Dwayne Bravo
Sammy / Russell

Narine
Roach / Holder
Taylor / Rampaul

 
pariaman 2014-08-29 18:16:27 

In reply to brians_da_best

No Holder?

Have you been watching cricket lately?

 
brians_da_best 2014-08-29 18:38:27 

In reply to pariaman

missed him, adding him in the mix

 
bimbo 2014-08-29 18:45:18 

In reply to jballer84
The same Gayle who had 2 test tons on his last tour to OZ?

 
Pacy 2014-08-30 04:27:52 

In reply to brians_da_best

I would have a slightly different team

Gayle
Simmons / Dwayne Smith

Sarwan / Kirk Edwards / Blackwood
Lil Bravo
Sarwan / Blackwood / Carter
Ramdin

Pollard / Sammy / Russel
Dwayne Bravo

Narine
Roach / Holder
Taylor / Rampaul

 
brians_da_best 2014-08-30 05:22:11 

In reply to Pacy

Okay, our teams are quite similar. The ones taking the field right now are very different to what we think. All this current team needs is Darren bravo / Ramdin to fail with the bat, and we're in deep trouble. Got to play the extra batsman.

 
Pacy 2014-08-30 06:06:44 

In reply to brians_da_best

The ones taking the field right now are very different to what we think.


I somehow see that there is serious reluctance to blood and groom batsmen over the past 2-3 years.

When Ramdin, Bravo and Pollard come in at 4,5,6 it means that they are playing atleast 2 places ahead of what they should ideally bat.

 
brians_da_best 2014-08-30 06:37:32 

In reply to Pacy

Hence the need to recall Sars. Now that the coach is out, Sars, with his talent and experience should slot straight back in.

And blackwood could be the youngster we can blood. Aggressive, got a good technique and that bit of spark about him

 
Pacy 2014-08-30 07:38:21 

In reply to brians_da_best

Right. We should also have Chanders on the standby since his experience might come handy in Australia.

 
brians_da_best 2014-08-30 09:15:40 

In reply to Pacy

Chanders I'm not too sure. Had it been two yrs back, it would have been a no brainer to pick him for odis. But now at 40, I would rather save him solely for tests, and maybe get another 2 yrs out of him

 
Pacy 2014-08-30 09:19:24 

In reply to brians_da_best

I think he is at the end of his career Brian... Even if it is just tests, I dont think he needs to play till 42. For me he has another 6 Months to a years cricket left. It can be tests or ODIs but Wi cant depend on him longer.

 
Cleg 2014-08-30 10:36:16 

In reply to jballer84

our sil selectors don't think this deep and they do not realise that gayle and company on fast bouncy tracks will be useless



Could it be that you are the one that dont think too deep?


...chk the batsman still standing at the END OF THE WI 2nd innings...

Btw,this was NOT a losing or Dead rubber innings!!!!

 
jen 2014-08-31 01:10:56 

In reply to Pacy

Sarwan in Australia is a walking wicket. Yo better off batting Sammy there than him.

 
mikelegend 2014-08-31 12:55:16 

Horses for courses. I'd go with Sanmy over Pollard when playing teams with genuine quick bowlers on quick bouncy wickets. Sammy handles the QUICK short ball better than Pollard, Holder and is just as good driving down the ground. Sammy needs to take the rest of the year to get back to being a CONFIDENT effective BOWLER. He has shown what he can do against Steyn and Lee...I'd take him to SA to see if he still has the ability. Against India...well he should be familiar with the conditions...so.