And hand out stiff action, including possible bans, against the core group of players who engineered the pullout from the India tour.
Is this anodda twist in this COMEDY?
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WICB to decide on players' fate on Tuesday
2014-10-20 16:16:47
2014-10-20 16:20:29
In reply to WestDem
Hopefully Admin decides on the fate of the board tomorrow too.
Move cricket to the backroom.
2014-10-20 16:21:13
In reply to WestDem
I say ban dem. This sort of foolishness MUST be stamped out for good in West Indies cricketers or else this will set a bad precedent for future West Indies tours where will feel they can just call of a tour and still get what they demand.
This should be the end of West Indies cricket duty for the troublemakers in that team.
And Dwayne Bravo should be replaced as captain of the ODI team.
2014-10-20 16:21:49
With the BCCI holding its working committee meeting in Hyderabad tomorrow, the WICB directors do not want to waste any further time in extending the hand of peace. "The only thing that will solve this problem will be dialogue," a senior WICB director said. "We need to discuss mainly [how] to try and build the relationship back with the BCCI. We know that the BCCI will have no confidence in the WICB supplying a team again, and no guarantee can be given in the present circumstances. The BCCI and the WICB have shared a good relationship. The BCCI officials should understand the situation and that the WICB had no other alternative but to do what it did. It was the players, really, to be blamed."
Sucking up at its very best!!! Throw de players under the bus but....
Although the WICB put the blame on Bravo and his team-mates, the BCCI saw the matter differently. Sanjay Patel, the BCCI secretary, categorically pulled up the WICB for jeopardising the tour and said the BCCI would take appropriate action.
This is heading to a place where Dave and Wavell can get hitched and ride off into the wilderness where they belong...
2014-10-20 16:22:04
I predict bans for all the players involved. At least two years.
Lawyers will get rich.
_r
2014-10-20 16:23:01
In reply to nick2020
Move cricket to the backroom.
And hace ToldUSo and Battyquake tek over de rumshop?
2014-10-20 16:24:11
In reply to WestDem
You should be happy it's the only way your home boy popepaul could make the side
2014-10-20 16:25:47
In reply to Admin
How can they be allowed to tell so many lies in one article?
The directors insisted that the WICB "did all what they could have done" in ensuring the tour would continue.
Lie....they did not cause they tried to strongarm the players by saying they sticking to the new MOU
They felt that the West Indies Players Association (WIPA) was the rightful place for Bravo and his men to engage in negotiations instead of seeking WICB intervention - only because the board would not bypass the player representative.
Really!
2014-10-20 16:26:17
In reply to WestDem
And hace ToldUSo and Battyquake tek over de rumshop?
Tek over de rumshop? What about mash up de rumshop with C4 and replace it with a decent place to relax?
You can be very sure that rum and alcohol won't be sold here.
2014-10-20 16:28:36
In reply to WestDem
Question:
From the players' perspective what wrong did the WICB do?
2014-10-20 16:28:49
In reply to BatQuake
I would especially like the players who were part of the core group to call off this tour to be completely banned from participating in the IPL in future." He said no such request from the WICB had been sent to the BCCI but that point was bound to be raised at the board meeting on Tuesday.
I took it dat you read my link, aite! Do you believe the WICB or the BCCI here?
2014-10-20 16:29:39
In reply to WestDem
WICB in panic mode now. The BCCI has firmly backed the players and placed the blame on WICB. WICB MUST tread carefully. Any backlash against the players will be met with swift retribution by the BCCI. BCCI will allow WICB to save face in some way. But on the terms agreeable to BCCI.
2014-10-20 16:34:22
In reply to nick2020
Question:
From the players' perspective what wrong did the WICB do?
From the players' perspective what wrong did the WICB do?
WICB participated in the finalization of a bogus MOU....you look at the numbers? The WIPA did not negotiate with the players best interest at heart....If the WICB was prudent, why didn't they offered the tour contract to the players before the start of the India tour?
2014-10-20 16:34:22
In reply to dale_staple
The BCCI has firmly backed the players and placed the blame on WICB
You mean the same BCCI that has banned its players from playing in any other T20 league? But they care so much about the rights of Windies players!
2014-10-20 16:36:38
In reply to dale_staple
True dat! If you read the article you see panic in their camp....nat one of de directors were man enough to put his name to comments in the article!!!
BCCI would tear dem apart....like they don't know that the PRODUCT are the players!
2014-10-20 16:36:42
In reply to dale_staple
If that is the reality as you described, then WIBC might as well cease to exist and let BCCI run West Indies cricket.
2014-10-20 16:40:38
In reply to BatQuake
I say ban dem
Can you say exactly who is "dem"? list names please...
2014-10-20 16:43:04
In reply to Admin
Lawyers will get rich.
On behalf of workers who called a wild cat strike?
2014-10-20 16:50:32
In reply to JOJO
actually...The BCCI allows no unions and bars FICA from making representation in India for the IPL.
These IPL loving hypocrites will then turn around and talk about standing for workers rights.
All because the BCCI is paying enough coin to treat them how they want.
2014-10-20 16:53:47
In reply to Commie
All because the BCCI is paying enough coin to treat them how they want.
All because the BCCI have anything West Indian and is cricket related in a korner...maybe dat is the corner they were turning...
2014-10-20 16:55:58
In reply to WestDem
WHen in 2012 a franchise COULD NOT pay their players including foreigners on time, none of them said a peep. Can you imagine, FICA could not even step in.
If that was anywhere else union would have been involved and the internet woudl be in foment.
I think some players did not get paid for over 6 months.
2014-10-20 16:58:05
Licky Licky
Can you imagine if a West Indian cricketer did not get paid for 18 months ?
2014-10-20 17:00:42
In reply to Commie
Bangladesh is still a small fish in the cricketing world...the foreigners were probably playing for IOU payments. I think some of the players are still owed money...all foreigners were paid on time by the CPL franchises....
2014-10-20 17:01:26
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
If that is the reality as you described, then WIBC might as well cease to exist and let BCCI run West Indies cricket.
And how would that be different from what currently obtains? He who pays the piper......
The WICB dances to the tune of the BCCI. They only sound that the WICB will emit is "how high?" when the BCCI tells it to jump!!
The WICB has long been emasculated by the BCCI.
2014-10-20 17:03:22
In reply to WestDem
Simon Katich and Ramnaresh Sarwan are among a group of cricketers still owed contract payments from the BCCI for the 2010 Indian Premier League.
FICA, the international cricketers' representative body, has revealed that the money has remained unpaid for more than 18 months despite numerous entreaties by the players and their management. Tim May, the FICA, chief executive, said no response had been forthcoming.
FICA, the international cricketers' representative body, has revealed that the money has remained unpaid for more than 18 months despite numerous entreaties by the players and their management. Tim May, the FICA, chief executive, said no response had been forthcoming.
Where you see Bangladesh there. Sarwan would be in arbitration and have a Cricinfo article if that was in the WI.
2014-10-20 17:10:44
In reply to JOJO
On behalf of workers who called a wild cat strike?
Yup.
_r
2014-10-20 17:13:28
In reply to Commie
Wait! sarwan was screwed over by de IPL too....Sars really crass!!! Did nat hear about this before!
2014-10-20 17:15:55
I used to think us the Unipn head who calked strikes and his her members followed. Now when a set of members disagree with their union who is their lawful and sole representative on contracts etc it becomes management's fault. Wow I wonder if that ever happen in big countries. STRIKE CAYSE I DISAGREE WITH MY UNION! You lean something new every day.
2014-10-20 17:16:25
In reply to WestDem
WICB participated in the finalization of a bogus MOU....you look at the numbers?
WIPA is there to negotiate on behalf of the players.
Now if you told me there was collusion between WIPA and the WICB...
2014-10-20 17:18:36
In reply to Admin
I hope you are right on all counts
2014-10-20 17:19:09
In reply to nick2020
Move cricket to the backroom.
2014-10-20 17:20:23
In reply to nick2020
Now if you told me there was collusion between WIPA and the WICB...
Well if you want to read it the way you typed it ah dat wha me mean!
2014-10-20 17:21:45
In reply to hubert
I'm always right.
_r
2014-10-20 17:21:57
In reply to nick2020
I thought management dealt in what is their best interests and the agent/union was thr lawful rep for its members best interests. Who then is at fault when the agent/union signs an agreement that weeks later the player/members decide is really not what they expected. Who really could get sued? If members can sue in the Windies at all.
2014-10-20 17:22:47
In reply to jacksprat
Yeah, so u mean we practicing prostitution then?
And all de people who like to rail against colonialism don't have any issue with this new master?
2014-10-20 17:23:04
In reply to Scar
That is what I can't understand too. I could swear I used to see the players insist that WIPA was their rightful representative. Why should they now withdraw their services because their rightful and only representative fucked them up as they see it. Nothing wrong with WICB trying to make matters right but how can you strike when your conflict is firstly and largely with your own rep?
2014-10-20 17:31:51
In reply to Admin
If the WICB had any smarts they would NOT select any of these players; Appoint new Captains etc w/o saying that they are banning them outright!!
This would stop any legal action that the players may want to take against WICB--Its like Exile--Its worse than getting banned--
2014-10-20 17:40:25
In reply to buds
Go ahead and try. I'm salivating at this. Angry, emotional people with loaded guns.
2014-10-20 17:41:31
In reply to buds
Easy way to do that is to make no statements on selection process and ease in one or two new players over the next 2 or 3 series of engagements.
2014-10-20 17:42:28
In reply to spider
The emotions run high amongst those who want cricket so badly even the poor product we produce that they want to badly make the players right.
I am wondering in which court players will prevail if they withdraw services because they no longer agree with their legal representative.
I mean your lawyer/ reps reads and scours the docs says its good and signs what he is allowed to on your behalf after a confer and you later dont agree you dont honor? You file a grievance within the appropriate avenues available to you against your rep.
2014-10-20 17:55:18
The MATURE step to take would be for the WICBC to contact the players and the WIPA and request an urgent, closed door, CONFIDENTIAL meeting to resolve the issue.
Once those parties agree and a date confirmed, the WICBC then contacts BCCI and asks them to give them 48 hours till the end of that meeting before BCCI decides on any plan of action.
Then the 3 parties meet, they each sign a confidentiality clause to the effect that what happens and is said at the meeting, STAYS at the meeting until an OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT agreed to and signed off on by all parties is released.
At that meeting, all parties are to air whatever grievances they have with the understanding that mistakes were made all around and the only goal now is the restoration of the good name of West Indies cricket. Action will be taken to achieve that goal, with each party agreeing to suffer whatever consequences necessary to achieve said goal.
It will also be extremely beneficial to have a respected, independent arbitrator/mediator at the meeting to mediate the proceedings.
Personalities and egos will have to take a back seat. Anything other than that will result in plunging WI cricket further into the abyss.
2014-10-20 17:57:20
In reply to imusic
Co-Sign
2014-10-20 18:00:49
In reply to imusic
The only way this impasse can end peacefully is for WICB to do what they had to do in every previous one.
Give the players whay rhey demand
2014-10-20 18:09:54
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
In the corp world that is not so. There is give and take. For instance you may get more pay but have to foot more of you health benefits. Management can opt to no longer give or lower non negotiables like bonuses etc.
2014-10-20 18:10:17
In reply to buds
Appoint new Captains etc w/o saying that they are banning them outright!
Didn`t HHGS did that a few years back?
You do realize this group contains most of those `scabs`?
2014-10-20 18:58:44
In reply to imusic
Yuh should apply to lead the WI recovery....nat one ah dem skunts there can put what yuh type into reality....
2014-10-20 21:33:42
In reply to BatQuake
Agreed about the Bravo person and yes WICB should take a hard line towards him and the rest of the players because of their selfishness and narrow-mindedness.
2014-10-20 22:45:01
In reply to imusic
nothing in the caribbean is ever confidential. By tomorrow night everybody ah know way happen in that WICB meeting tomorrow.
2014-10-21 00:45:53
In reply to jen
2014-10-21 00:48:43
Cameron, Hinds and Muirhead cannot be trusted.
2014-10-21 01:21:23
In reply to BatQuake
Until the WICB starts treating West Indies players like partners instead of employees these debacles will continue over and over again.
2014-10-21 02:18:41
The WICB has only two decisions to make : how to hand over governance to an independent body selected by the stake holders and when to resign en masse
2014-10-21 02:45:07
In reply to Cleg
Different scenario bro-HH & G were being vindictive and not smart-If this Cameron and Muirhead have any they would be cleaver about this situation--Do not bow in to these juvenile and under-performing bunch--
2014-10-21 06:31:36
In reply to Admin
I'm always right
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