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Ramnarine says it is confirmed that Bravo and Pollard will not be selected for World Cup. If his information is correct then is this punishment for the part they played in abandoning the Indian tour?

Could it be that the relationship between them and the team management (including selectors) broke down to the point that they could no longer work together and since it is more or less the same management team in charge then Bravo and Pollard had to go?

In reply to spider

Won't miss them we need to move on!

In reply to spider

If that were the case, it doesn't make sense that they're both selected for the T20 squad currently in South Africa

In reply to imusic

They are phenomenal t20 players who were part of a winning WI T20 team.
They are mediocre ODI players who helped WI stay in 8th.

They will have more time for Carnival and are still ticking all those boxes. Give thanks.

Well if that is true the fear of wi striking is no more , if it is true that is real good news for wi cricket fans

In reply to Commie

If they are out, I hope Sammy is out as well. Of the three, only DJ Bravo should be going to the world cup

In reply to imusic

Is Bravo on the T20 Team?

In reply to Maispwi

I believe so

In reply to spider

So... this is from Baby WIPA or the real WIPA?

Why is Ramnarine speaking for these guys? Did he form a rebel union??

In reply to Maispwi

No. he is not. Only Pollard is in the T20 team

In reply to jballer84

hate is a terrible thing....

In reply to spider

Good riddance and pls take gayle also

In reply to Ewart

Where did you see that he was?

He can't state his own opinion?

In reply to Catsoup100

Don't get ahead of yourself, I don't hate Sammy. I quite like and admire the fellow, in fact I'm a very big supporter of him in Big Bash and IPL. I'm just talking facts here, we have a host of medium pacers who are not batsmen but merely hit or miss sloggers. Out of the five or six, we should pick maybe 2, max 3 and unfortunately Sammy remains on the fringes when we compared to some of these guys. Does he compete for a place? Absolutely! Both Bravo and Russell are better than him, but I believe he competes strongly with Pollard.

In reply to Maispwi

December 21 2014


Jan 6 2015


THREAD

Bravo in South Africa 2 days ago.

WI T20 SQUAD ON CRICINFO TODAY


Somebody run him

In reply to Ewart

I don't know that he's speaking for them but their omission clearly irks him and so he is crying victimization.

Interesting

SOURCE

In reply to imusic

They will be missed.

WI might not win the whole thing.

In reply to Ewart

In reply to spider
Dinanath Ramnarine @dramnarine · 2h 2 hours ago Confirmed Bravo and Pollard are both out of the 2015 WC. The WICB has the full support of the TTCB, so well done to both WICB and TTCB.



So... this is from Baby WIPA or the real WIPA?

Why is Ramnarine speaking for these guys? Did he form a rebel union?? '

This is the big question!

In reply to Commie

No they won't. We're ranked 8th with them you're fond of saying.

Their replacements will at least ensure we're in the second round

In reply to imusic

7,7,6 (at home),8

That is the standard WI are working with.

Id like to think not making the final of our own home tri series is a sign.

Still...they get to kick some Caribbean Super 50 tail. Give more thanks.

In reply to Commie

You know, India could have said the same thing before the WC in 1983. You just never know what will happen but a WC usually demands that you send your best team and give it your best shot, nonetheless. With the WI though, it's always drama and this isn't the first time the WICB have sent a clearly weakened side to an ICC event.

Rammos latest sobbing tweet.

I dont feel victimised but its welling up.

In reply to Kurt

Listen I don't like this either and clearly Bravo should go, not so sure about Pollard. You must admit though that neither will change our fortunes and they have never really won ODI games for us - - maybe once or twice. They are largely still playing on potential. Their fielding will be a huge miss, but I'm not so sure about the batting or bowling to be honest. Just my frank assesment

In reply to Commie

Certainly not fans on here.

Rams need to stop his cowbawlin.

In reply to imusic

He not cowbawling. Its clever. Lets see how it goes.

As the official letter writer of the WI team, Rammo knows what he is doing.

In reply to Commie

I am pretty sure he does!


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In reply to jballer84

Well obviously he WI aren't going to be anyone's favorites, with or without Bravo & Polly. However, both of them have the ability to win a match on their own and that's what the WI have to hope for - that one or two players turn in an outstanding performance each match.

Neither have been outstanding of course but they both have better stats than Dwayne Smith who in all likelihood will make the team. The WI do have a number of players though that are similar to Bravo & Polly. Andre Russel and Dwayne Smith are much like Bravo & Polly - They're all outstanding fielders, who can smash the ball all over the place when they get going, so the drop off isn't going to be huge. The one area the WI may struggle to fill is Bravo's bowling at the death.

Anyway, I think there's more to come. I think Bravo indicated in one of his communications that the agreement that Wavell & Cameron came to, also cut a major chunk of the players wages for ICC events as well. What was the outcome of the 'review" of the players' complaints? Will that be complete prior to the WC?

As for Bravo & Polly, they might as well read the writing on the wall and officially retire from international cricket. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Gayle do likewise. The sad reality is that IF the 75% pay cut remains in place, that Bravo, Polly, & Gayle can do better off financially without the WI. The same can probably be said of Dwayne Smith, Russel, Badree & Narine.

And clive lloyd criticizing Russell's choice? bwahahahahhahaha

In reply to Kurt

No player is going to retire from a potential payday...UNLESS....you have other GREATER, GUARANTEED paydays that make it worth your while

Why you think chanderpaul never retire from international LO cricket? How much clearer you think the writing on the wall have to be for him?

In reply to imusic

Cause selfishpaul is a facking dunce.



Pollard shood have been dropped years ago.



Bravo is unlucky, but need to pay for
de Hndia debacle, as he was loud an vocal.



Ramdin next. Watch de ride

In reply to TanteMerle

You're probably right

In reply to Commie

Don't think he is the letter writer. When asked if he thought the players should have walked off the tour and if he thought they had any alternative he said this:


Whoever the letter writer was must have had all the facts.

In reply to spider

Jeez...you really falling for that Trini version of Jekyll and Hyde

Well, one or two more reasons for me not to watch Waste Indies in WC

In reply to unitsypher
Well done WICB ,get rid of them ... money talks
42 million reasons

In reply to Commie

Ok. But that probably means that for some reason he doesn't want to say whether he thinks the players should have walked off or not, or if he thinks they had any alternatives. Him saying he doesn't have all the facts seems like a dodge to me since we all know he is behind the players 100%.

In reply to don1

I wonder if there is another motive at play here...this is purely speculation, but could the WICB be trying to prove something ? that is, a squad without Bravo, Pollard, maybe a couple more would do just as well ? I mean, is this pointed at India, and are they trying to lay grounds for possible legal defense ? It's just a thought but.....

In reply to Outswinger

The WI made it to the 2nd round of the last world cup

We'll make it to the 2nd round of this world cup for sure. Even if we finish 4th in our group, behind SA, India and Pakistan. We just have to beat Ireland, Zimbabwe, and UAE which is practically guaranteed.

So we'll do at least as well as last World Cup


Should we win our quarter final match, then we will have pretty much exceeded expectations and that will be a further mandate to continue in the same vein

Even if we don't win the quarter final match, the mandate will still be in effect.


The only way there could be any possible doubts is if by some fluke we fail to make it to the quarter finals. But that not happening so is all good

In reply to Commie

Going with your logic then the entire management of the WICB should go as they have been around longer than the players and we have been in the doldrums for about 20 years.

WC 2015 starts Feb 8.

2015 Carnival starts Feb 16.

Would we expect Bravo and Pollard to be available for cricket when Carnival is on?

In reply to TanteMerle

Yuh know people like to say certain things will only happen when pigs fly or when blackbird cut teeth......well I just see a pig flying, will have to wait til tomorrow when the birds come out to see if the blackbirds got teet'........

In reply to uton

Long post alert.

Maybe Pollard and Bravo will push WI over the top, or they would make negligible difference. This very same WICB created this problem by not making any real effort to expand the base of ODI players getting experience. its almost ironic that they now are in a situation with mediocre players they made indispensable for ODI. Bravo and Pollard have played over 250 ODIS between them. Sammy and Smith another 200 something.

Now if it is only on the principle of victimisation, then there is a point, but the relationship between the seniors and the WICB is an edgy one which they have not hesitated to exploit just like the WICB are doign now. The same Ramnarine refused to negotiate the last MOU even though it was flawed and instead exploited every technicality to win nearly a dozen cases for players via a ridiculous arbitration process which ultimately the courts rubbished.

Take Sarwan, who won damages on a technicality via the arbitrator based on statements being made about him being unfit. Turns out that they were right. Sarwan was chronically unfit. Go down the list and it happened again and again.

They refused to concede that advantage till the courts took it away after something like 12 arbitration wins. There is scant difference between that and a MOU weighted towards the WICB. The history is an established one. I will screw you everytime I get a chance.

Ramnarine walked away from WIPA almost at the same time WIPA lost and left Wavell to pick up the mess . Of course Wavell was backed into a corner, now owing the WICB money from a lost court case and dealing with a WICB who now were in the box seat with a new MOU. We now have what happened today.

For ramnarine to act as if he is a good faith player in WI Cricket when he has engaged in the same spiteful oneupmanship that the WICB has is ludicrous. The thought process is that he serves a more noble cause, the case of the players, which is true. He has done tremendously for the players. Jack Warner has done lots of good for trinidad football too. Doesnt make him a paragon of virtue.

We are not dealing with innocent parties.

WI fans in the main dont derive the income that gets poorly used by the WICb or paid to the players. If that was so I would call it a storm the bastille moment. The people who appoint the board are usually a small band of people across cricket associations who bother to turn up at meetings and deal with the political process.

The fact that we are so detached from how the board gets elected and how the board and the cricketers make money is another part of this complex mess that is shared with quite a few boards. Except national pride helps to cover those cracks elsewhere, and in the Caribbean, we only love the WI when we are winning...so those cracks are wide now.

long post fini.

In reply to Commie

Boy, you are a bigger prick than I had given you credit for, ironically if even half of what you said has merit, it only proves how inept and incompetent the WICB is.

In reply to Emir

Thank you...I feel honored.

Pretty Prophetic

In reply to jballer84

this is an interesting point. I remember Pollard being the best in a few games, Bravo being the best in a few games and Sammy playing a coupe match innings knock.(All three won man of the series.) However, these are the players we want to replace. My question is what have the other players done to escape scrutiny?

In reply to Commie

My pleasure bro, glad you took the joke in stride..

Now, I'll say this, boy you are way more cool than I had given you credit for

In reply to TanteMerle

Appraently u r bigger dunce than shiv becuase look where u r and where shiv is

And for ur info tally the match and runs for both bravo and pollard and check shiv and then let me kno and everyone kno wats the difference ... dont hate a guy for being selfish cuz is every batsman is the team is selfish we wud make 500 every test

In reply to Commie

WICB are bureaucrat scum gone mad. Look at what the open market (the IPL) pays/has paid for these two, Pollard and Bravo and tell me they're not among the best 15 limited overs players the selectors can choose. So if they're left out, it's the WICB lashing out against those that called them on their corruption.

In reply to Emir & Commie

I also think that that's nothing short of a wonderful post. Maybe Commie's best ever.

My only question is whether he harbored similar views even a few years back but deferred their posting until a more opportune time.

In reply to Commie

Stop posting half truths. He did not leave WIPA on his own volition.

Ramnarine was forced to resign from WIPA because Mr.Hilaire used a legal maneuver to halt any further negotiations with him as a representative of WIPA.

In reply to unitsypher
Are we that good and do we have such a depth of talent that we could let these two go and "move on" as you suggest?

In reply to CricketFirst

We better than good, and we talent pool full, watch we kick ass next month in WC2014.......go windies......