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In reply to shivnotout

"When the umpires called Narine for the first time during the Champions League last year, three deliveries were reported suspect - all three were the quicker balls - in Knight Riders' final group match against Dolphins. But in the semi-finals, against Hobart Hurricanes, all 24 deliveries of Narine's spell were called suspect by the on-field umpires."

Wow

In reply to mikesiva

Said he pelted from day one, was blatant.

In reply to shivnotout

I fear for this guy. Most people who bowl will pelt a few. Narine seems to be a pelter who needs to learn to bowl (Shilly too).

In reply to Walco

Got away with it and made a heap of money, I'd say he is one lucky bloke.

In reply to Runs

For the life of me I cannot figure how a "bowler" can fail one of these ICC or BCCI tests. Failure to me means you never learned to bowl in the first place.

I was in Marine Park in Brooklyn a few years back and saw some kids playing organized softball cricket. The bowlers I saw were blatantly pelting and it soon became obvious that pelting was okay in that league. That kind of stuff was not acceptable in the game of cricket when I was a kid, not even in softball cricket.

In reply to Walco

Very good point.

A friend told me that when they went to TT to play in Caribbean windball cricket that the Trinis unlike them were not bowling conventional roundarm.

Given Narine literally went straight from windball cricket that might be part of the issue.

Still if your star bowler is being given issues political or otherwise, why would you call up a bowler who has been reported even more than him?

In reply to Walco

They have tapeball cricket where they pelt, popular among Trinidadians

In reply to Commie

That would explain Narine's problem.

In reply to Runs

Must have been Trini's I saw at Marine Park.

In reply to Runs

Pelting was given a free pass until it became a match winner. There are much more blatant actions in contemporary cricket than narine, spinners and pacers. However, Narine is costing people money so they are out gunning for him.

In reply to Walco

Again..the Johan Botha pick is a huge laugh. Its like a cynical poke. Unless of course Botha won't bowl.

OK,Narine has a suspect action,the word is suspect,yet someone here using the word blatant,If it was blatant he'd be banned a long time ago.I looked at Shilly,and I never thought he would ever be able to bowl again,yet he was cleared and now bowls,the difference with Narine and all other spinners is,he is magic.Who wants to lose the sight of those fingers twirling around the ball,batsmen not knowing what to do,I and millions around the world don't want to lose that excitement.Another bowler ,Senanyka who in normal play looked like a pelter,he is now fixed and bowls,Narine will surprise quite a few.

In reply to mikesiva


What's the big deal,suspect is the word.

In reply to Walco

he learning.he already have a diploma

Tapeball cricket was never popular in TT

Sunil. Narine has been passed by chennai as he was by loughborough, he will play IPL....

The only people who thought he had a suspect action were the champions league umpires and idiots on this board who can tell he is a blatant petter with the naked eye.

No matter how many times people are told you really can't tell with the naked eye people on this board know better.thats because these fools are trolls who write crap purely to wind people up.

In reply to doublecentury

so you already know he passed the test?

In reply to Controversy

The news will be released on Monday...the third day he rose againhttp://www.espncricinfo.com/indian-premier-league-2015/content/story/858197.html

In reply to doublecentury

He pelts and he passed the test.

Like nearly every other bowler called.

Oh right ...they should close down ICC testing centers and just let you watch on the Telly and decide?

In reply to doublecentury

It wasn't me that got Narine and Cooper (one who throws every ball he purportedly bowls) to go to Aus to have their actions 'fixed'. The word fixed does have an implied meaning.

It wasn't me or my eyesight that got him called.

It wasn't me who failed him on the first test in Cardiff.

Obviously he didn't go to the WC because with a retest to come he couldn't risk it.

Ajmal, Shillingford et al all passed in lab conditions. Even Marlon Samuels. Yet there is debate about all three in match conditions.

The sport is at a crossroads. If you call one you have to call all. Obviously when Ashwin did his hatchet job on Narine in particular someone in the BCCI decided to make him an example.

Ironic considering it is their coffers who he fattens most. Money should triumph in the end.

Narine is a talent but if as seen in that over to Pooran he throws the ball to gain an advantage then he will get weeded out.

In reply to Commie

Saw this somewhere a few minutes ago, wonder what you guys have to say about it.......

It is quite ridiculous that the BCCI does not accept the result from an ICC Accredited Center. Who is calling the shots here? Narine's action is one of the cleanest of the bowlers out there.........

In reply to cherri

When yuh read shite like that it's best to ignore it. Nothing good can come from a conversation with someone who thinks Narine's action is one of the cleanest out there. But why did Narine remodel his action if it was clean in the first place?

narine graduates, again


magna kan pelta

In reply to doosra

Oh rass bhai.

No doubt Narine looks different to other bowlers. The spin is in the fingers not wrist or elbow and the hand is very high.

Umpires may have reported it as suspect.

It was however cleared by ICC testing centre in lough borough and the BCCI/ ICC centre in chenniai.

Some posters say he failed a test in Cardiff....I have seen no evidence of this anywhere and indeed lough borough is not in Cardiff.

I really don't understand why people won't accept that rigorous tests show he does not pelt and that it is not possible to judge from one angle with the naked eye on tv or from the boundary.

And people are tired of explaining how rigorous the tests are so that they cannot be fooled or faked...those who believe anybody can pass a test and then pelt in matches are the most annoying because they are clearly too lazy to have understood the process.

These ignorant comments just show prejudice which this board is too full of.

In reply to cricketest

More total bs...to suggest a conspiracy in which ICC falsified results in lough borough and then did it again in chennai comes from a twisted mind.

In reply to Walco

Sweetie...you should know by now how I roll.........it will be debated for a long time whether his action is clean or not, I doan know squat bout bowling actions so I have no judgement to cast...I leave that for the experts like you and Commie....but the fact that someone at one of the centres administering the test found it necessary to speak is not my problem......I does read shite pon this site daily and people like you doan ignore it.......... btw Ajmal back in the Pakistan line up for all formats of the game why is Narine such a hot topic?.......what is good for the goose is usually good for the gander......I remember Jermaine Lawson, he was cleared by the ICC and an umpire in Jamaica called him in a local game....the chairman of selectors at the time when asked why he did not pick Lawson said....if his own countryman called him and his country not pick him, why should I pick him, he went the way of the dodo birds and out to pasture....Narine was right not to take those chances, Indian Umpires may think twice about calling him again seeing that their hot shot centre cleared him, he may have to worry more about Caribbean umpires than anything else......have a Happy Easter......

In reply to cherri

Happy Easter to you too

The beauty of the current system is that you only to bowl during testing. After you pass the test you can go back to pelting The only time you have to worry is when they prohibit you from bowling one of your deliveries.

BTW, I watched video of Narine bowling in slow motion when the whole controversy began, and I have paused the video and observed the elbow bend. Some of the deliveries I say had between 45 and 90 degrees of extension or straightening.

did you put a protractor up to the screen?

was Narine wearing long sleeves or short sleeves at the time of your test?

did you account for parallax?

did you measure different instances of the same delivery?

In reply to Walco


You miss your calling......you should apply to one of these testing centres because you seem to see more than the testers do.........

People want to kill him for a 'suspect' action, he is a pelter and all sorts of things, when we have people out there doing worse and not a peep out of a boy, we have a man here in Bim who conspired with a prime minister to bilk poor bajans and had the gall to come in the paper and say he is down to his last $12m and cannot make ends meet.....please, a man trying to make a living for himself and his family and people want to make an issue out of a bowling action.........excuse me if I do not see the relevance of this because there are way more serious things out there to bother about.......

The wonders of it all.

So...Narine fails nothing, after all Cardiff never happened because it wasn't reported, and remodeled his action based on nothing other than nothing to then go do a test in March that he was always going pass because his action which he didn't need to change is clean.

And you all want ppl like Chrissy to be in governance positions giving a so called impartial stance on regional cricketers?

In reply to cherri

Why you worrying about calling Parris or Duprey name?

That they both are still living the life are but metaphors on the same reality. Ppl get away with stuff.

So if a fella chop someone and the block says they didn't see...then thats cool too.

In reply to cricketest

And your point is? I did enough and saw enough to form my own opinion. I saw no need for a protractor because it was that obvious to me. You know what they say about opinions, right?

In reply to Walco

Clean

In reply to Commie


HUH?...you saying sain tuh me?...

certain conditions must be met and certain considerations must be made in any experiment.

In reply to cherri

You say why ppl worrying but bowling test when fellas like Parris getting away with tiefing.

Or sain like that.

I'm saying its all the same thing and whether you take it all the way down or up its a problem.

In reply to Walco

Oh dear...do you know what a 90 degree angle is?

Have you read that the testing involves video of the actual matches and replicated actions?

Have you actually read up on how the testing is done and why what you say is not true? You cannot pass a test and pelt in matches....read up on the process.

In reply to doublecentury

I took geometry in high school and I am confident I can recognize a 90 degree angle without a protractor. But before we go any further here, do you think that Narine had a suspect action that needed to be worked on?

In reply to Commie

Where you see me call anybody name?....just show me.....

In reply to cherri

I called his name. Not you.

I think Narines action is different ,just like malinga or muralitheran are very different.

In the circumstances it would not be unusual for umpires to suspect and therefore report.

However the rules are now so complex that rigorous testing is necessary to determine whether the action is legal or not. It is very important to understand where the arm may not bend more than the allowed amount.

To say he is a blatant pelter based on the naked eye is really not appropriate.

I am happy his action has been cleared by detailed tests and video of his match performances. I am pleased chennai also confirmed lough boroughs findings.

In reply to doublecentury

At present Samuels, Ajmal, Shilly, The Sl bowler, and Narine are all passed to bowl in cricket.

All of them have so called remodeled actions and in Samuels and Shilly and Ajmal case a remit not to bowl certain deliveries.

Yet...supposedly one of those bowlers has never thrown a ball and has never failed any test.

You figure out the logic of this all without appearing to be something of a nutter.

In reply to Walco

I would say he has a kink in his action. But Naraine's action looked a lot cleaner when I see players like Ajmal, Lawson, Shabbir Ahamed, Muralidharan, Botha etc who were blatant.

Given that I was always confident that he will get past the 15 Degree rule. If you say even 1 degree pelt is a pelt then that is a different story. But for me he would be well within 15 degrees since I do not see a serious kink.

In reply to Walco

I have to assume that one of the tests was whether he could bowl the wrong'un legally. Having watched Narine for years my take is that his wrong'un / carom ball or whatever it is is fairly clean and that he is more likely to have the extra flex on his offspinner. I have seen some "blatant" pelts from him in regional matches but in no way is he that obvious when playing internationally or at IPL.