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Best spells by a WI leggie

 
doosra 2015-06-04 19:54:00 

how good was that by Bishoo?

ole timers share some

Ramnarine had one or 2?

 
moneybrain 2015-06-04 20:18:37 

In reply to doosra

Cant think of any really good Leggies from WI.

Ramadhin was Offie as was Gibbs, Noreiga very briefly, et al

Hence why it is utter STUPIDITY not having a good Offie in the mix. NB Aus has Lyon and he will kick ass tomorrow! Beware Darren B !!! cool

 
Narper 2015-06-04 20:33:07 

In reply to doosra

I can remember Raw Loo Waste...world record peformer


What about Mahendra Nagamootoo...why didn't he get more chances...after de accident

 
Oilah 2015-06-04 20:33:23 

Holford had a few good results

 
Ewart 2015-06-04 21:24:19 

In reply to moneybrain

Ramadhin was Offie as was Gibbs, Noreiga very briefly, et al



Interesting you can remember about Ramadhin the off-spinner but not his spin twin, the greatest leg-spinner of all, Alfred Valentine!


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Norm 2015-06-04 21:39:30 

Alf Valentine took lots of wickets, and so too did Sobers as a leggie, but you are probably referring to a right-arm wrist spinner.

Not many of those played for WI. I can remember Dhanraj and Ramnarine taking a few. Butcher took a handful in a Test, bowling right-arm leg spin.

 
moneybrain 2015-06-04 23:28:02 

In reply to Ewart

Funny that Alfie V was a Leftie and NOT a Rht Leg Spinner!

Please wake up before U attempt to write! lol

 
Tagwa1 2015-06-05 00:22:13 

In reply to Narper

What about Mahendra Nagamootoo


I believe they said Leg spinners.

 
cricket_jumbie 2015-06-05 00:27:09 

Arthur Barrett and Willie Rodriguez come to mind but neither was given a decent run b the selectors.

 
Tagwa1 2015-06-05 00:30:06 

In reply to Norm

and so too did Sobers as a leggie


Where did Sobers take all these wickets as a leggie in tests?

 
Norm 2015-06-05 00:34:29 

In reply to Tagwa1

Where did Sobers take all these wickets as a leggie in tests?

Check CricInfo ...

 
Dukes 2015-06-05 01:28:16 

Sobers rarely bowled his back of the hand Chinamen and googlies and the last time he did successfully was in the Brisbane test of 1968 when he took 6-73.
That test was Clive Lloyd's debut test against Australia and he scored a wonderful 129 to become one of the few people to score debut centuries against both England and Australia.

 
Fivestar 2015-06-05 02:16:00 

In reply to doosra

Ramnarine could have been something special. He was penetrative and economical which is a rare combination in a right arm leg spinner at Test level. But then stupid politics took over and reduced his promising career to twelve games.

 
Acid 2015-06-05 03:29:49 

In reply to Fivestar

stupid politics took over and reduced his promising career to twelve games.


Virtually that was Carl Hooper

 
FanAttick 2015-06-05 07:19:40 

In reply to doosra

The best spell of leg spin bowling was articulated by yours truly in the 1970s. Many top class peeps including one illustrious WI batsman were befuddled, baffled and bamboozled lol

 
Norm 2015-06-05 07:38:28 

In reply to FanAttick

batsman were befuddled, baffled and bamboozled

They all felt deeply insulted by the lack of spin, no doubt ... smile

 
doosra 2015-06-05 07:57:01 

so the right arm leggies are

1. Madray
2. Willie Rodriguez
3. Holford
4. Arthur Barrett
5. Dhanraj
6. Ramnarine
7. Lewis
8. Nagamootoo
9. Bishoo
10. Sarwan (?)

 
FanAttick 2015-06-05 08:07:54 

In reply to Norm

On the contrary they couldn't believe that a leggie could extract so much purchase.. lol

 
Norm 2015-06-05 08:12:07 

In reply to doosra

Start at the beginning - with CR "Snuffy" Browne. Leg spinner, but quick through the air. Often described as a medium pacer.

 
Ewart 2015-06-05 09:29:40 

In reply to moneybrain

Funny that Alfie V was a Leftie and NOT a Rht Leg Spinner!



In the hope that this will make any difference to the linguistically challenged, here goes.

This is just another case where "a little learning is a dangerous thing!" (Or, in this case, Alexander Pope might well have said "a lack of learning!!")

When a man bowls a ball to me and it spins from leg to off, I do not call it an "orthodox" ball. I call it a leg-break because that is what it is, and the bowler, whether right-handed or left handed, has bowled me a leg-break.

For shorter sentences, I guess, the term "orthodox" was developed to describe left handers who bowl leg-breaks because that is their natural ball. But they are still bowling leg breaks.

And then there is this from West Indies Cricket Souvenirs.com:

Alf Valentine was a conventional left-arm leg-break bowler who gave the term "spin bowler" new meaning with his capacity to spin the ball, also in his armory was a well disguised delivery that came with the arm. Valentine was a surprising choice on the tour to England in 1950 as he had only taken two wickets in those matches at an average of 95, however the selectors took an educated guess based on his capacity to turn the ball and the, traditional wisdom had it that you must have a left arm spinner in England.

Valentine was the greatest left arm leg break bowler ever to play for the West Indies and arguablely to play the game.



Not that I believe this will convince you but at least I have placed it before everyone.


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rumhead24 2015-06-05 11:54:27 

In reply to doosra

if you have sarwan what about shiv

 
Priapus 2015-06-05 11:58:13 

In reply to Tagwa1

Lol...Not medium pacers bowling from a short run-up. haha

 
Priapus 2015-06-05 12:01:18 

In reply to Fivestar

But then stupid politics took over and reduced his promising career to twelve games.


...and made the Board pay heavily for that...

lol

 
mental_case 2015-06-05 12:03:33 

Bishoo bowled beautifully. Best spell by a windies leggie I've seen since the great Mahendra Nagamootoo snared 3-119 vs the Aussies at the SCG in 2001

 
Ewart 2015-06-05 12:04:58 

In reply to mental_case

No question. He bowled very well.


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Priapus 2015-06-05 12:05:32 

In reply to Norm

They felt deeply insulted at having to turn up for a curry goat match as paid professionals.... big grin

 
Controversy 2015-06-05 12:06:34 

Dinas could have been better than warne but they destroyed his career like many trini cricketers before and after him...

The same victimization is happening now

 
Narper 2015-06-05 12:58:54 

In reply to doosra

Derek Isaac Kallicharran

 
mental_case 2015-06-05 13:14:49 

In reply to Controversy

Ha!! Better than Warne? Put down the crack pipe son.

 
Outswinger 2015-06-05 13:35:58 

In reply to Ewart

Excellent sir!

 
Outswinger 2015-06-05 13:38:14 

In reply to Controversy

You talking out when Carew was chairman of selectors ?

Did Ramnarine retire or was he dropped ?

 
googley 2015-06-05 13:48:45 

In reply to Narper

Naggas loves the daru...and didn't like to practice! De chap preferred to play video games! lol lol lol