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Before the "go it aloners" run dere mouths...have you stopped to consider the following:

The WICB's financial survival is totally dependent on the yearly largesse from the ICC.

Will these funds be redistributed to the small associate states of the ICC and if they are, have we considered any resource allocation formula?

As non income generators of the ICC, will these small associated states continue to receive the same quantum of monies from the ICC?

Will this not increase the administrative cost of the ICC in a scenario where there will be no net positive financial inflows?

Can the cash strapped governments of Caricom supplement any shortfall in revenues that these individual cricketing nations will face?

Are there any economies of scale hurdles which need to be addressed?

Will we mash up the contract between CPL and the WICB and can we afford the compensation to CPL investors if we so do?

Are the proponents of "go it alone" smart enough to even consider the long term financial implications to territorial boards of going it alone?

Will the ICC even entertain the notion of accepting a plethora of leeching small states becoming members of its fold and by so doing establishing a precedent?

Finally, in any new start up, don't good managers and investors (if there are any) prepare revenue projections and other financial viability reports?

Some things for the "go it aloners" to ponder.

Have a great day "go it aloners".

In reply to Courtesy

The question I want to ask is, and it is a serious one, what makes cricket, and you could look at cricket in the West Indies to be specific, any different from any other sport played in the West Indian territories?

In reply to archangel

With a little thought from you your question could have been answered easily. For starters, think history and success.

NEXT.

In reply to Courtesy

Just like the economics of having national teams in soccer...athletics....netball


Where is the national pride behind the WICB 11?

In reply to Courtesy


You will get to sing your national anthem instead of that stupid ciaso

In reply to silver

in the face making light of this "go it alone" thinking, we do stand to lose a lot more not just ICC funding and benefits, but also income from Test tours, for their success i don't see any teams lining up to tour Afghanistan, our territories will be relegated to playing the likes of Hong Kong and Nepal, beating them would not garner any attention, I shudder to think of not having a touring England side in the Caribbean any time soon, as for the other sports all of them should be West Indian representation, Football, netball, track and field every sport should be a West Indian team

better believe it....the majority of the world cares very little about the plight of a little rock with 100,000 people, together we will always be stronger, none of us are economically viable as we get shell shocked when tourist dollars stop following.

In reply to Courtesy

Not interested in the survival of WICB

And if Afghanistan, Ireland etc can ... Then so will we also make it

And yes ofcourse, all those 5 star expenses + lifestyles of a lot of the WICB Bandits will have to go

In reply to hawk

Noted with thanks.

In reply to Courtesy

Corporate Trinidad will get on board

In reply to Courtesy

But with leadership change in the TTCB

In reply to Halliwell

With associate cricket played against Malaysia, Iceland and Papua New Guinea.

And with your football Assn taking years to pay footballers for a world cup.

I am yet to be convinced that T&T businessmen are that stoopid to put money into such a poor product.

In reply to Courtesy

Are these guys nuts. With one unintelligent swipe of the blade he has removed a president and created 12.

...and yes with less funds, expenses + lifestyles increasing twelve times over..... LHM

The reality is that hardly anybody cares if the west indies win or lose any more. Players and fans.

Now your country in the CPL. That's a different matter.

In reply to Discourse

Yep. There is a multiplier of 12.

And those 12 Presidents have to sit on ICC with all the attendant expenses. "Nuts" you call it?

Don't waste your time with trash.

In reply to mikesiva

Brother CPL gone. The owners have signed long term contracts with the WICB.

In reply to thefacts

But, the baggage of "when we were dominant" and living legends, will continue to weigh you down..

In reply to mikesiva

How much more can us fans take?. We are now just above minnow status.

How did we destroy such a proud tradition?

Will we ever recover. sigh

In reply to Courtesy

Why are you entertaining foolishness?

Go it alone got real loud when Red Force win a world club cricket competition leading fool-hearted, insular fans into believing they were world beaters.

Dat ship sink and go it alone lost its voice.

Yes. I have brought it up on this forum before. But if T&T brave enough to lick out all the oil money playing Kenya and Afghanistan they can go right ahead.

In reply to nick2020

I missed it.


TNT is quite happy with 40 million dollar loans dese days...much less finding money to fund a cricket team playing against Papua New Guinea.

Imagine TNT fleecing Guyana for oil.

In reply to nick2020

they think droves of Kenyans and Afghans will fill their stadiums to watch that one game, top media will come and report on it as it broadcast live back to Kenya and Afghanistan, millions of Indians will stay awake to watch the game and plenty TV right money will flow
after all it will top flight cricket

So many assumptions being used to "Fear Monger":

1) Games will be restricted to

2) 12 Presidents:



Aren't there already Directors of each regional board?

As i See it, in fact there will be only 5 Directors required in the new setup:

1 each for Bajans, Yard, Muddies, Titties and Dots.

I think the Dots are the ones most worried, because their "Free Party Ride" will be over.

In fact, it is the Dots who will be playing:



while Bajans, Yardies, Muddies and Titties will compete with Top Teams...

Thats the real worry of the Dots, that they will have to earn their money!!

Its clearly evident.

Does anyone here really know what Associate nations have to go through just to get scraps from the ICC pie?

Why do people think that their favourite island country is going to be fast tracked to a seat at the ICC FM table?

The ICC is *not* FIFA, IAAF, or even the INF. Might is right, and WI, even in its diminished state, has rights and privileges that no single country in the region would ever achieve.

The ICC isn't going to see 'tradition' when it comes to matches and the like. They will see population and buying power, and frankly, the USA (or even Malaysia for those who scoff) will get more $$ than say Antigua & Barbuda.

Afghanistan and Ireland haven't "made it" yet by a long shot. A couple of bad months and people will be calling them weak minnows yet again.

Personally, I think it would be a good thing for global cricket, but tread carefully - the climb to World Cup berths for a Barbados, Jamaica or Guyana will be a long one.

In reply to Courtesy

Piton head

Why are you concerned about T&T ?

Where are we fleecing Guyana for oil?, it will be Exxon that will decide ?

I reckon it would foil your sarcasm, if you mentioned that BP will be spending 5 Billion US
over the next 5 years in T&T .

T&TCB is not going alone, it's the lil islands as you that are concerned about nutting.

doh worry about we, we ok

When collectively , WE are relegated
to tier Two ; the economics regarding GOING IT ALONE , will
obviously be moot .

People need to understand that the
ICC is a Jungle , Dem that bring in the most money ,are those who are
empowered to get what they want .

Our Players & Team even in their
dominance were not so empowered . It was those who were not dominant at that time who conspired to weaken the dominance of our Teams & Players .
Frankly , my opinion is that the BIG
IDIOTS in the WICBC , still do not
understand this fact .

IF THE BIG IDIOTS IN THE WICBC

WHEN WE WERE DOMINANT HAD

ANY BRAINS ; THEY WOULD HAVE

SOUGHT TO GET FINANCIAL

SPONSORS TO CONTINUE OUR

DOMINANCE .

The only thing they did was to sit
back and bask in the dominance
of our Players & Teams . They
mistakenly believed that it would
last for ever .

SO HERE WE ARE WALLOW AT OR

NEAR THE BOTTOM OF

INTERNATIONAL CRICKET IN THE

LONGER VERSIONS OF THE GAME ;

WITH MINIMAL FINANCIAL

SUPPORT , BECAUSE SPONSORS

DO NOT SUPPORT THOSE AT THE

BOTTOM.

Despite this all the Big Idiots can
state is that they are in the Black
Financially . I would like to know
how the Hell that is helping the
competitiveness of Our Players &
Team in the International Cricket
Arena .

In reply to thefacts

1. You cannot field a test team. You will never get full ICC member status without one.

India won't be banging down the door to play an associate member.

In reply to Discourse

Aren't there already 12 Board or Cricket Association Presidents plus 3 Group Presidents?

In reply to nick2020

No Test Cricket, No Problem for me.
T20s and ODIs, where the money is

Anyways, I think Dots are purposely ignoring the "Great Britain" formula.

Test Cricket as West Indies and ODIs, T20s as Nations.

With Revenue Sharing of Test Cricket and ICC pie.
But everyone keeps their ODIs and T20 moolah.

As for:



BCCI will play Aliens, if there is money at the end of it.

Take care of the Money, (business model)
Money will take care of BCCI / ICC

In reply to Courtesy and halliwel

corporate trinidad did not buy the red steel

In reply to doosra

man, that was cruel ... you just slam dunked their entire argument with one piece of FACT!

RESPECT \m/

In reply to hawk... except .... track and field.

In reply to thefacts

Will the other FMs support such a proposal? Would the likes of Bangladesh or Zimbabwe go along with that instead of saying, 'no way, we want to be one rung higher on the Test ladder'?

And certainly, I can't think of one Associate that would be okay with such a deal. Not like their vote would count, mind you, but Afghanistan for example would have a major bone to pick.

Regarding the 'Great Britain' formula. England & Wales compete as the ECB, there's never been a GB cricket team. And I think ECB's more than happy to continue what they currently do and poach any Scot or Irish player that shows promise

But let's say that proposal gets the approval of the other ICC FMs. How would you structure the next World Cup (currently 10 teams) and World T20 (currently 10 teams with a 6-team 'qualification round')? Do you expand? How do you determine 'automatic qualifiers'? Or is it status quo?

In reply to Tryangle

World Cup and all is ICCs business.

But I am sure With 16 Teams in the fray upfront i.e.

9 Full + Ireland + Afghans + Bajans + Muddies + Titties + Yardies + Dots

+ UAE, Canada, Kenya, Nepal, etc... the other Associates.

The World Cup Format will be changed accordingly.
Maybe it can go the soccer way.

Group Stage, 4 Groups, 4 teams each, top 2 go to Quarter finals and there in...
Essentially a team has 6 games to win the World Cup. (only one more than the Soccer World Cup)

My guess is, all of this is perfectly manageable.

In reply to Maispwi

Sorry, never thought i would need to belabor that.

btw! they surely don't wield the same clout as the Double D

In reply to thefacts

They had a 16 team World Cup back in '07. India and Pakistan went home early. The ICC revolted.

It's a very meritocratic system, but ICC aren't going down that path again. If India/Pakistan don't get 7 matches minimum, it's not happening

In reply to natty_forever

ALL SPORTS MY FRIEND.....ALL SPORTS

In reply to doosra

I never expected them to invest in cricket. TNT experienced a budget shortfall of some 40 billion TT dollars last year. The HSF is being raided, Private sector barely surviving, massive lay offs in the oil sector, gangs in Enterprise warring, the Chamber calling for the city to be closed on Thursdays, plenty women being killed, Guyana being fleeced for oil... you tink is cricket against Papua New Guinea they will give priority.

They would have been foolish to do so. Dat is the reality.

In reply to hawk... correction, ALL TEAM SPORTS. Also,

if cricket became a Olympic sport we would have to go it alone.

So maybe for T20s we can consider going it alone.

In reply to Tryangle



Like I said, this all will get worked out, not an issue

The main focus should be excellence of each region and best opportunities for all players

In reply to thefacts

you need to take your head out the clouds, go it alone sounds real good, but like the demise of the federation...it will be disaster economically speaking

Stick to the West Indies as is, develop our cricket and work our way back to be a top 5 side

In reply to natty_forever

I said All SPORTS, I believe in The West Indies as a region, and even if cricket becomes a Olympic sport, i don't have an issue with a single west indies Olympic team in all disciplines, do England compete at Olympics?, don't you have Great Britain?, which is also different from the United Kingdom.

for our long term benefit....stick to the West Indies

In reply to Courtesy

how many of the individual territories are able to put together a stable cricket board?

man

go it alone eh

In reply to doosra

Why you tink Dave Cameron is at the helm of West Indies cricket? He knows none of the territorial boards can survive without the hand out from the WICB.

Yes...go it alone.

In reply to Courtesy

Piton Head

Can you tell me what does the Government Financial position as you outlined
gats to do with cricket. T&T Financial position is better than any in the Caribbean.

Did St luccia by the Zouks ? Oh did they leave town yet ?

What is you lil dot financial position?

The more you post the dumber you looks bwoy

ah jus laughing .

keep posting hahahahahahahaha

ps Exxon owns the oil off Guyana ya gats dat until it recovers the costs to date .

In reply to sgtdjones

Bro, you are making too much sense! The Bandits and their Boot lickers are in denial on purpose. Them saving their own free lunches

Anyways, keep posting killer stuff

RESPECT!! \m/

In reply to hawk

Why is it assumed to be an economic disaster?

We really must give "going alone" a full go

There is no doubt in my mind, that it will be a success!

Please Note: One pointer, a T20 league in U.S will be a game changer

In reply to Tryangle

Do you think Bermuda wud be better off in a WI setup than where they currently are?

In reply to Discourse

But dey are the source of Double D's power

In reply to Maispwi

Good question. Without a doubt, the exposure to the WI would have served many of Bermuda's better players well. Alma Champ Hunt and Clarence Parfitt immediately come to mind.

Clay Smith had a great performance in the Red Stripe Bowl a couple decades ago, well enough that in some circles it was suggested that he'd have a chance.

Even Sluggo Leverock, weight aside, if he had an opportunity for first class cricket 15 years ago, who knows.

As it is, Bermuda is now languishing in the lower rungs with no pathway for our youngsters to make a name for themselves unless they emigrate to England, get a British passport and go from there.

I dare say that a similar youngster from say St. Lucia, if they broke off and played as individual nations, would not have even that luxury unless his parentage qualified him for England (or a top-tier regional team).

One major fact is that the Windies gets far more than any associate from the ICC pot. Windies are getting what, $80 million over 8 years? Split that among the 6 regional boards and then another split by 4 among Windwards and that's $3.3 mil over 8 years.

Associates are collectively getting $200 mil over that period. The distribution is weighted in favour of the better teams, but even on average among the 97 Associates and Affiliates, that is a mere $2 mil over that period, the majority of which get far less.

Remember also, the voice of the Associates pales utterly in comparison to that of a FM like Windies.

In reply to Maispwi

Correct


...but i was actually addressing this

In reply to thefacts

I am not sure which Island you are from, but i always say whoever wants to go it alone should just withdraw, and seek ICC membership on their own, the others will continue

T20 league in the US??? unless we own this league.... what impact would it have for us?

In reply to Tryangle

Will that always be the case though? As the T20 game spreads and with the improvements within the Associates, the ICC would be hard pressed to retain that model.

Are you saying dat the WIPA should pass on their model where 90 or so cricketers had greater leverage than those whose salaries were cut to fund there payments.

In reply to hawk... well the Olympics would not allow the West Indies to enter. And Yes Jamaica would be stronger in T&F and Netball, however, we holding our own in both.

I would bet, West Indies would love to be ranked fourth, in ODIs and Test.

In reply to natty_forever

I am not sure which island you are from, nonetheless each island has it own strengths in certain areas collectively we can be strong in all areas and not just hold our own

for example football both Jamaica and Trinidad have qualified for the world cup only to end that run after the first round, i don't ever see any Caribbean territory getting very far at the finals let alone winning the football world cup, but i can see a West Indies team challenging the top teams seriously

In reply to Courtesy

You are a wise man. I have two words for going alone - pure foolishness.

In reply to thefacts

you know the man is a pharmacist eh

Counting pills fer 8 hours per day and putting dem in lil plastic containers leads to problems

It would drive even the dali lama crazy

he needs to be treated gently, remember he related to Hunte

ah doh need to say more , so ah just laughing

hahahahahaha

In reply to hawk... I'm a Yaadie. Well most world sports does not accommodate the West Indies set up. Only Great Britain is allowed to come as one team. Would we be given the same privilege?

So even tho I agree with you on strength of team, I don't think we would be allowed play any other sport.

In reply to thefacts

I thought you wanted to go it alone for the reasons you laid out, not go it alone when it suits you.

Good thing no one takes you seriously.

In reply to nick2020

All options on the table, for all to transparently discuss.

This is a discussion forum right?

In reply to natty_forever

well if Great Britain is allowed under special dispensation then with the precedent set, we can also compete as the West Indies

In reply to hawk

Usually during any transition period of a Big Change, it is very important to keep the "Reasons" for doing that change right upfront at all times.

This is because all Big Changes come with their share of trials and tribulations.
and if one isn't motivated by the reasons/benefits for that change, then it is very easy to lose the will to go forward with it, or not implement it correctly.

So What is that main reason for "Going Alone"?

In my book, it is to give players of each region a fair, a more competitive and a truly global opportunity to world cricket.

Currently, we have atleast 40-50 cricketers who can play for West Indies, yet at best only half do, due to the limitations of having just one team.

It must be so frustrating for a Nikita Miller, Rayad Emrit, Vishaul Singh, Cornwall, Tonge, Johnson etc who on their performances merit can be picked up for the West Indies, but they never get their fair share of chances, because someone else is the "blue eyed boy" of the selectors.

And I am not making this region specific. Over the years, all regions have been in and out of favour.

This is about the system.

and the basic premise of "Going Alone" is the FUTURE, which is T20 cricket.

We have to believe that we can give our kids and future generations a better chance at being professional cricketers and earning well and living well.

That is the basic idea of being a Professional Sportsman.

With 5 Teams in World Cricket, instead of 1, there will be 5 Times the opportunities for players from the region to showcase their talents and build a brand name both for themselves and the TEAM.

In reply to hawk

It's not really special dispensation. Great Britain is an actual and whole nation, and competing as such in the Olympics, FIBA, is normal.

Competing as England, Scotland, etc. in rugby, football and cricket are the outliers.

There's no way that you'd have a West Indies team in those sports unless the countries actually became one nation.

In reply to thefacts

FYI , every freaking Island in the
English speaking Caribbean is a
Freaking DOT , also Guyana , in terms of Population , the number
of people playing competitive Cricket ; Cricket Facilities & most
important FINANCIAL RESOURCES .

I cite the above to debunk the asinine suggestion regarding GOING IT ALONE .

Obviously the larger the Population
, Financial Resources ; & the number of persons playing Cricket ;
and the number of Facilities are
essential ingredients to climb the
Ladder in the International Cricket
Arena .

Let me cite BANGLADESH , its
population dwarfs the population
of Countries playing Cricket in the
Region .

The Finances of Bangladesh dwarfs the finances of all the English speaking Countries in
the Region .

Bangladesh has a hell of a lot more
TEAMS & CLUBS than WE have in
the Region . Also FACILITIES .

BTW , I am of the opinion that its
Cricket Board is progressive , WE
in the Region are stuck with a Cricket Board steeped not only in INCOMPETENCE . But still stuck in
20th century mentality , in the 21st
century .

My take is that large populations
ensures Keen Competition . That
ensures that the standard of Cricket
obviously overtime will improve .

I recall the days when the Bangladesh CRicket Teams in the
International Cricket Arena used to
be greeted with derision , that aint
the case these days .

Obviously the Administrators of
Cricket in Bangladesh had & have
a plan to ensure that Bangladesh
is no longer the Laughing Stock
in the International Cricket Arena .

This is evident in the fact that its
Team is going to England , while
Our Team & Players can only look at TV , and wish they were there .

THE ANSWERS REGARDING THE

FORTUNES OF WEST INDIES

CRICKET ARE STILL THE SAME

THE REGIONAL CRICKET BOARDS

AND THE WICBC MUST UNDERGO

SERIOUS STRUCTURAL CHANGES .

Unless this is done , WE are simply
Spinning Top in Mud . The question
then is this :

WHEN WILL THE WICBC & THE

REGIONAL GOVERNMENTS

UNDERSTAND THAT UNLESS

SERIOUS STRUCTURAL CHANGES

ARE MADE IN WEST INDIES

CRICKET; WE WILL FOREVER BE

THE LAUGHING STOCKS IN

THE INTERNATIONAL CRICKET

ARENA .

In reply to hawk... who is the head of the West Indies (Queen, President or Prime Monster)? I don't think we are seen "politically" as Great Britain is, so that precedent may elude us.

In reply to POINT

... however ...

In reply to POINT

Finally after 14 years of posting crap you have seen the light. The WI is the smallest cricketing population hence it's not only difficult but neigh impossible to be improve or be competitive (your theory). The few good years eons ago were exceptions rather than the rule (your theory)...

Amen brother

In reply to Tryangle

this is my preference, we should be one nation.

I am not absolutely sure but i think the United Kingdom is the "Nation" which includes Nothern Ireland
Great Britain is England, Scotland and Wales they compete at the Olympics as one entity, but as you know there is an England football team, yet Football is an Olympic sport, how is that organised?

In reply to Kay... where you get all that from. Typical preacher for true, always taking the "scripture" out a context.

In reply to thefacts

this argument is weak....

this go it alone stems from the selfish ambitions and perceived lack of opportunities for the countrymen of those who concocted it, world cricket has move to such a stage that a player don't even have to represent their country to make a living, if a player is worth his salt he will get opportunities, Brazil has thousands of footballers who can play internationally for them, what if each state decide we are going it alone

isn't 1 strong team better than 5 weak teams??

In reply to hawk

Actually, in London Olympics 2012 they competed as Great Britain (Group A) and yes included Northern Ireland which is in fact the United Kingdom...not sure how or why they competed as GB tho

btw...made the second round but got knocked out by S Korea.

In reply to hawk

Are you aware how the entire global soccer system works through talent hunters?

In reply to Kay

On several occasions , I have stated
this freaking fact ;

THE ONUS WAS ON THE WICBC

IN THE GLORY DAYS OF OUR

TEAMS & PLAYERS TO SEEK

FINANCILAL SPONSORS TO

ENSURE THAT OUR PLAYERS

& TEAMS REMAIN THE BEST IN

THE INTERNATIONAL CRICKET

ARENA .

The fact is that the members of the WICBC ; sat on their Individual & Collective ASSES , and did not do
One Blasted Thing .

The Region is also fractured by
the fact that Insularity reigns Supreme in West Indies Cricket ,
with many trying to get their Players on the West Indies Team .

THE REGIONAL BOARDS LIKE THE

WICBC ARE JUST AS CORRUPT .

SELF PRESERVATION REIGNS

SUPREME .

There is no TRANSPARENCY; NO

ACCOUNTABILITY & A COMPLETE

LACK OF GOOD GOVERNANCE .

To top it off , the WICBC has bluntly
refused to change its structure ;
despite the recommendations of
several Reports that the WICBC itself has commissioned .

The stark fact is that if in the Golden
Eras of West Indies Cricket those
in the Stewardship of Cricket in the
Region were serious people , they
would have realized & planned for
the eventuality when our Players
& Teams were no longer dominant
in the International Cricket Arena .

I WILL ALWAYS MAINTAIN THAT

ALL PROMISING YOUNGSTERS

MUST BE ABLE TO GO TO THE

BEST CRICKET ACADEMIES IN

THE REGION .

In essence , my perspective is that
Cricket in the Region must be
looked at from a Regional point of view .

HAVING THE SAME 2 OR 3 TEAMS

WINNING THE REGIONAL

TOURNAMENTS ; AND IN THE

INTERNATIONALCRICKET ARENA

WE ARE WALLOWING AT OR NEAR

THE BOTTOM OF CRICKET IN

THE LONGER VERSIONS OF THE

GAME ; IN THE INTERNATIONAL

CRICKET ARENA IS TOTALLY

UNACCEPTABLE .

Meanwhile the Jackasses of the
Countries that win the Regional Tournaments strut about , ignoring the fact that in the International
Cricket Arena we are at or near the
bottom .

Their Country winning the Regional
is more important to these Morons
than the standing of our Teams &
Players in the International Cricket
Arena .

LIKE IT OR NOT THE STARK TRUTH

IS THAT THE STANDARD OF

CRICKET IN THE REGION IS PISS

POOR , ALL INVOLVED IN CRICKET

NEED TO RECOGNIZE THIS

FREAKING FACT AND TAKE THE

NECESSARY STEPS TO ELEVATE

THE STANDARD OF CRICKET IN

THE REGION .

I have yet to hear or read any of the
Big Idiotsunderstanding this freaking fact .

In reply to hawk

England never competed in Olympic football until 2012 when they agreed to form a Team GB specifically for that (as the host nation, it was important for GB to field a side). In 2016, they went back to status quo.

For the record, GB at the Olympics includes NI, even though technically it should be UK. Not sure *why*, mind you.

Back to the 'go it alone' theme, it's a shame they didn't continue with cricket at the Commonwealth Games, because in the inaugural edition it was intriguing to see Barbados and other teams take on England, etc. in a tournament - and for what it's worth, the Caribbean teams held their own. It would have been interesting to see the trends today, especially as other teams improved their cricket.

Folks enough of this sentimental and emotional crap. Try for once to focus on the economics of going alone.

In reply to Courtesy... each territory would require professional leagues as the PCL. Right now Yaad cannot support a 2 day tournament to any extent, imagine a 4 dayer.


NO to Yaad going it alone.

UNITED WE STAND ...



Disclaimer: because we not really united why we not standing.

In reply to Tryangle

In the commonwealth games...didn't all Caribbean teams get knocked out in the first round?

In reply to natty_forever

IMHO Bim remains part of West indies cricket, too much to lose economically speaking in going it alone

i join you in

In reply to hawk

Yes, but the format was a bit brutal, only the group winners went to the semis. But Antigua and Barbuda finished ahead of India

In reply to hawk

Maybe Bajans and Dots can form one combined team.

Both will get their ultimate desires fulfilled..... i.e

Bajans get to play an all XI
and Dots get money for doing nothing..

Could be a perfect marriage!!

In reply to thefacts

it is evident all this stems from the fact that your are disgruntled due to the number of bajan born players on the team, there was a time when no Bajans was on the team also, I am sure many of us were annoyed but we improved, sadly our best players in the West Indies are only good First Class cricketers with only 2 being decent international cricketers at the moment, in a few years new players from the other franchises will emerge providing they put in the work and who know maybe no bajans will be on the team..... would that please you? or would you prefer a quota system, everybody gets to play when the show comes to your island

In reply to Tryangle

I don't like being there to make up numbers, i want a real shot at the top prize and in reality none of our territories were going to make it past the first round, these tourneys are designed to put the top seed through, as it pays to have the best in the final, I am positive a West Indian side would have gone further even win the title

In reply to hawk

Its the system that i am against!

Right now its the Bajans, earlier it was Dots, before that the Scabs...

In this new world order, i just don't see the point in continuing this farce ...

In reply to hawk

IN ADDITION, here is the BOTTOMLINE

I'd rather be in the position that Afghanistan is... which is one of HOPE and a BETTER FUTURE....

They are playing for something, they are playing to improve, to put their country on the map of world cricket....

than be in this position, which we are, forever, where the XI is decided by which region is ruling WI cricket...

where there is always bungling up by the board, incompetence of the highest order, .. and just fighting all the time.

Like i said earlier, if my kid was a budding cricketer, the WI would be the last place I'd like to see him pursue his career...

Kind of intriguing that thefacts and hawk appear at completely opposite ends of the spectrum of West Indies sport.

I suspect that the trend is towards eventually going to what the former desires, unless something drastic happens like CARICOM and the CSME (re)gains a ton of steam and encourages a true unification of the island countries.

One thing overlooked in the result of a Windies breakup is what would that mean for the women's game? Seems like they'd be in an even tougher spot than the men with a bigger mountain to climb.

In reply to Tryangle

The only reason why the womens team is never in controversy.... is Because of lack of big money / power associated with women cricket in general.

+ The main Cricket board (mens) is controlling the women game as well.

That is a global phenomenon.

In reply to natty_forever

Incorrect.

The PCL and all regional tournaments can continue.

I don't see why the domestic tourneys have to change. Each board will pay their cricketers for the matches and whatever revenue is generated from the Sponsorships / TV deals etc will be shared as per agreements.

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Bottom line is:

Nothing will change except that each nation is free to play international T20s and ODIs with other nations... and generate their own revenue.

I am saying it again, IMO, Test Cricket can be worked out in anyway acceptable to all -- West Indies can continue as it is currently, or all nations become associate members, either ways, I am fine with it.

But here is the main thing:

Like afghanistan is touring for 3 T20s and 3 ODIs...., each nation is free to invite all the countries similarly.

Imagine every year, when IPL is in session, there is a minimum opportunity to invite England, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Zimbabwe, Ireland, Afghanistan...

There can be triangular - quadrangular T20 tournaments.....

anything is possible

In reply to natty_forever

Also in the Economics of Going It Alone, the first thing is going to be the complete demolition of the WICB!

The New Structure will be just Regional Boards - existing JCA, TTCB etc...

If Bajans and Dots want to stay together, they can form one board at their own cost.

In reply to thefacts

Would individual countries have to push for their domestic competitions to have a higher level of prestige, ie make them fully professional, and seek first-class status for those squads?

Ireland and Afghanistan's domestic leagues are slated to have first-class status conferred, for comparison's sake.

Or, at the very least, the individual boards would want to consider expanding the current PCL to have more teams, more competition, etc? (e.g. have two+ pro teams from the bigger countries and 1 team from each of the 'dots')

In reply to thefacts

What are the Two main reasons this upstart Afghanistan is doing so well?

In reply to Tryangle

All that is matter of implementation details subject to finances

The first challenge is just to get an international series and tournaments organised from 2019 onwards

Once the money starts to roll, everything will fall in place

In reply to TheTrail

Talent + Hard Work

Hey Piton Head

doostra ===corporate trinidad did not buy the red steel ?.

Here are your comments lets see who is not focusing on the thread.

doostra asked about corporate Trinidad,

you got into a tirade about the Government of Trinidad and Tobago .

The T&TCB runs cricket in Trinidad not the government!!!!
It's not a corporation of the Government

Then you post:



Now you see why it's easy to make you look chupid .

Ah just laughing .

In reply to thefacts

Listen dude, stop your nonsense, and focus on getting your Island to leave the WICB.
When you can do that, come back and get the others to follow.

In reply to openning

It's an Idea that is being discussed

If its too much for your non-existent brain cells, then stay off the thread

In reply to thefacts

Smartarsh, any discussions concerning ten Independent Islands are a waste of anyone's time.
A better discussion will be your Island going at it alone.
Start there

In reply to openning

Scabs not my problem, not discussing them

In reply to thefacts

Don't forget hunger - those players want what top Windies players take for granted... and a desire to invest in the players from Mgt.

In reply to Tryangle

Yes you are right. I just clubbed everything under "Hard Work"; stuff like motivation/desire, discipline etc

In reply to thefacts

It does tie in together, so you're right too. The inner drive fuels your commitment to putting in the work, whether it be in the gym, beach training, on the field, studying film.

Afghanistan's got it, other leading Associates appear to have it. And I suspect that an independent T&T would rediscover it based on your theory?