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WI selectors scout pacers during regional four-day tourney

Fast bowlers welcome*
Windies selectors keep an eye out for quicks

In reply to sgtdjones

Let's hope they find at least 2 or 3

In reply to sgtdjones

Things like this is why we'll always be bottom of the pack. Instead of we look for bowlers who can bowl, we looking for "pace" bowlers.

Look at the recently concluded England vs WI series. Who was we best bowler on that tour, and what speeds were he clocking? Roach out bowled everyone bar Jimmy Anderson, even out bowled Broad & Woakes who are faster bowlers.

They forget how Gabriel was a runs truck before he start move the ball?

We need bowler's who can move the ball, plain and simple. O'Shane Thomas was bowling wickedly fast to Evin Lewis but was dispatched because he was bowling too short. To regional batsmen, pace will get you wickets. On the international scene, that thing will make you be a runs truck if you can't move it or bowl with sense. Ain't know if you all see how Rohit Sharma treat men like Pat Cummins in that recent ODI series. Men bowling 91 MPH and getting stroke effortlessly down the ground, and none of our current "fast" bowlers can bowl as good as Pat Cummins (exception of Gabriel these days).

In reply to jen

I get your point but give me a bowler that can move it at 92mph over one at 82mph every and any time.

In reply to jen

As if by some magic pacers will show up aplenty

You've to develop them

Shepherd and Johnson from Guyana areally good talent

In reply to analyst-kid

How did that roach 90+ pan out ?

Let's examine who the best modern pacers are and try to figure out if they are pace like fyah. ..

Anderson
Hazelwood
Bolt
Starc
Rabada
Broad
Bhuvi Kumar
Shami

Etc

Are these consistently 90+

Different bowlers have different strengths and pace is a strength if you can find it. But the emphasis should be on finding good pace bowlers rather than have pace as the primary concern. Different bowlers strive in different conditions but a good bowler has to have accuracy no matter what. A wickedly fast bowler will get you wickets in certain conditions but pace alone will not be enough in most conditions.

No one is suggesting that we or anybody else for that matter need 'fast and foolish' bowlers... I'll go back to what I said above...history is littered with bowlers that could bowl at 90 plus AND move the ball.. most if not all of the great / outstanding WI bowlers of the past could... let's try and find some..they are out and out match winners at every level of the game.

If the Cricket West Indies were doing their job. They don't need to be searching for pace bowlers now. For example, What happen to the territorial scout that suppose to unearth these talents?. Are the so-called selectors paying attention to bowlers who have more than one ingredient to be a good pace bowler?. When was the last time that a left arm swing bowler given a chance like a guy like Cummins or Gabriel. That guy Beaston from Guyana,and Cotteral from Jamaica should've made the trip to England. The selectors and the director of cricket must be more answerable to the people of the West Indies. Mi gaan.

In reply to analyst-kid

Last year Shakeem Clarke went to South Africa on a three-month cricket programme, in a few days Chemar Holder will be going to Australia on a three month program.
Both players are at trials.

In reply to openning

he would be back for the ODI and the last of the 4 Ds

In reply to tc1

These youngsters must be taking public speaking in school, just heard him speaking on CBC

In reply to openning


We need to make it a requirement for all players, I remember as a young student at CP, the game master replace the cricket captain with another student who diction was much better than the captain for public speaking.

What is that station u are listening?

Thanks

In reply to tc1

Every Saturday and Sunday 94.7 CBC, broadcast local cricket, during the BCA season, I've been listening for years.
I am not a fan, of this year format.

so what was the selectors doing all the time, this sound like madness

In reply to Philjam

In reply to doosra

The question is will the fellows with the pace become students of the game?

The player development is so lacking that some of the greatest fast bowlers are still alive and not beig approached in a professional manner about annual month long camps passing on their knowledge. The mismanagement of player resources astounding.

In reply to sgtdjones

Yuh can't please everybody. Wunna say our guys blow to slow, they are all military medium. Now the selectors decide to look for some pace wunna still vex.

Pace will always be the most important aspect of being a fast bowler. Once you have that and you learn how to swing or seam the ball you will be on your way to becoming a good bowler.

In reply to Ray123

Fast bowlers have to be allowed to bowl more overs than they do regionally. Guys cant develop with the limited opportunities. Fast bowling is hard tough work and we are not preparing the young bowlers for that on the international level. Their bodies just are not prepared for it. Watched young Taylor, Fidel and Roach and you could see their bodies was not there yet for the rigors. Captains on Regional teams have to get away from the spin, spin thing and allow the pacers more time with the ball. This also allow our batsmen to face up to more of it. The WI top order crumble against pacers seemingly every game.

In reply to Ray123

What about scouting for bowlers and batsmen?

So they saying F**k you spinners, we doh want u.

In reply to Andy99

Yes they don't win us games.

In reply to Pacy

Problem is though that the pacers do not get the opportunities because spinners bowl 30+ overs and the pacers get in only 10 - 15. Most times they never even get a second spell. No game time to develop.

In reply to seaegg99

Not everyone with pace could be students of the game. While understanding of the game and other skills could be taught pace is natural.

Shanon Gabriel just had raw pace and over the last2 years we had seen him improve other aspects. That is the template to be used if you can't find smart bowlers.

With all the game awareness Ian Bradshaw, he could not make an impact

In reply to seaegg99

True. Only Leewards and Windwards seem to give that 15 overs at least. Change of strategy by Jamaica and Bim, the traditional source of quick bowlers has been a big blow.

In reply to Pacy

Yes once the pacers take the shine off the ball then the FC spinning bullies take over like Miller,Odean Brown, Benn, Warrican amd Nurse...then don't forget the medium pacers like Bernard and Stoute are bullies too.

Incidentally at one point Ian Bradshaw was ranked No.3 in the World in ODI bowling...so much for pace.

In reply to jen

Steeeeuuuppppssssss You can't teach fast! You can teach seam and swing tho!!!

I think there is some kind of mentality that only spin can win you a game regionally. While the batsmen have become somewhat better against spin they have become novices against pace. Way too often before a spinner is even thought of our top four batsmen are back in the pavilion. Short pitched bowling is now menacing our top order. The pull and hook is now a thing of the past. Way too often they feel for rising balls on off stump instead of just pulling them away and taking the slips out of play.

Pitches?