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So Chris Gayle has a #Metoo story now....
Larr Pullo
2017-10-25 13:55:05
The masseuse at the centre of the defamation lawsuit filed by Windies star Chris Gayle told a New South Wales courtroom that she was left in tears after the player revealed the top half of his penis in a changing room during the 2015 World Cup.
Based on the account put forward by former Windies masseuse Leanne Russell, she had entered the changing room in search of a sandwich when she encountered Gayle, who was clad in a towel, along with teammate Dwayne Smith.
Christopher "Weinstein" Gayle!
natty_forever
2017-10-25 14:24:49
In reply to Fairfax Media... Really! KMFT!
silver
2017-10-25 15:16:07
In reply to Larr Pullo
That don't blush baby talk won't help his case
tc1
2017-10-25 15:25:43
TheTrail
2017-10-25 17:01:14
Oh, what a conundrum in the days of the p grabber, Cosby, and Weinstein.
The good thing about this is that there was someone (D Smith) there to vouch for Chris and refute her aspersion on his good name.
Courtesy
2017-10-25 17:44:31
In reply to TheTrail
You tink de mananger at the time, will be asked to testify about his memo to the team and whether he confronted anyone with regard to the veracity of the claim?
This would be interesting and pertinent to the matter.
Walco
2017-10-25 17:58:08
In reply to TheTrail
Did Dwayne Smith say that the incident did not occur, or that he did not see it happen? I imagine he will be a key witness and that proceeding.
TheTrail
2017-10-25 18:56:59
In reply to Courtesy and Walco
In reply to TheTrail
You tink de mananger at the time, will be asked to testify about his memo to the team and whether he confronted anyone with regard to the veracity of the claim?
I cannot see that happening - he could testify as much as he like about the memo - it has no bearing on the case.
There were three people in the room - two said it never happened - IMHO, I believe the two that it never happened.
Paraphrasing: Dwayne said under oath that he (Gayle) did not flash any pipe at her.
Courtesy
2017-10-25 19:01:15
In reply to TheTrail
If indeed a memo was written by the manager in relation to this (especially if it was written in a serious tone) it can be exploited by paper's lawyers. The reason for the memo and the circumstances surrounding it will be exploited.
Why did the mananger have to issue the memo, did he include the matter in his mananger's report...was the WICB at the time notified of the incident?
These matters can direct the case.
camos
2017-10-25 22:08:32
she said she went in to look for a sandwich but when Gayle asked her why she was there she said she was looking for a towel. Was the towel to wrap the sandwich?
Toney
2017-10-25 23:36:40
In reply to camos
No, de Snake was hiding wrapped up in the towel. That must of scared the shit out of her when Gayle unwrapped the towel causing the Snake to fall out.
Larr Pullo
2017-10-26 02:14:56
In reply to Toney
So not a joke. I'm sure y'all have female relatives.
Verstehen
2017-10-26 07:02:51
Dwayne Smith is a witness for Gayle. The same Dwayne Smith who according to the story, "admitted he sent a text to Russell that simply said "sexy" after she massaged him the day before the Gayle incident"!
Linky Link
Also re Dwayne Smith, real smooth with the ladies, eh?
Walco
2017-10-26 07:08:20
In reply to Larr Pullo
I have no idea whether this alleged incident actually occurred, but Toneys reaction is not the least bit surprising. The behavior alleged by Gayles accuser, and much worse, is for the most part condoned in the Caribbean.
The president of the United States would dismiss it as locker room talk
Courtesy
2017-10-26 07:25:14
Russell said she told the West Indies team's physiotherapist about the incident immediately and was "very upset" and "crying uncontrollably. I was crying like a child".
Interesting allegation.
camos
2017-10-26 07:59:39
In reply to Larr Pullo
why are you so sure that the incident took place as reported by the lady?
natty_forever
2017-10-26 08:00:28
In reply to camos... you really had to ask.
camos
2017-10-26 08:02:47
In reply to natty_forever
was just pointing out something for other posters.
CITYBOY
2017-10-26 08:10:31
Hola...I was not there...so will not pass judgement...however what is cool in one"s country is not acceptable in a foreign land...and we all need to be wary of this...especially us ..with sex appeal..or we think we have...
I would not dare whistle or make a remark about a female today...not want to end up in jail..
Just would do it with syle and class...not crass behaviour..
Adios
CB
Drapsey
2017-10-26 08:20:55
The timing of this trial as it coincides with the Weinstein fiasco won't do any good for Gayle's suit. He should be gearing himself for the counter-suit.
Still most of us will be left wondering what justification the woman had for entering the Men's dressing room, and what were her expectations. Just suppose the gender of the actors were reversed, what would've transpired?
natty_forever
2017-10-26 08:22:23
In reply to CITYBOY
however what is cool in one"s country is not acceptable in a foreign land
... if he exposed himself, that not cool anywhere. However, the question is, did he?
camos
2017-10-26 08:41:59
In reply to Drapsey
she has a tall order to prove that Gayle flashed her, the witness she named does not support her story.
Drapsey
2017-10-26 09:12:54
In reply to camos
Based on a post (with a link) on this page, the witness' credibility is now being challenged.
Larr Pullo
2017-10-26 09:28:43
In reply to camos
why are you so sure that the incident took place as reported by the lady?
Not saying it did, just saying the situation is not cool for women.
Larr Pullo
2017-10-26 09:33:17
In reply to camos
The question is did she make a report immediately. Seems like Courtesy is saying she did and a warning or caution was issued to the players as a result. Would such a caution be issued without probable cause?
The trial may hinge on how Smith holds up as key witness....
Verstehen
2017-10-26 09:40:48
In reply to Larr Pullo
The trial may hinge on how Smith holds up as key witness.
Gayle will be praying he doesn't take his ODI Test form into the courtroom then....
Larr Pullo
2017-10-26 09:48:23
Russell gave testimony that in February 2015, she walked into a change room at Drummoyne Oval to find Gayle, dressed in a shirt and towel, and his teammate Dwayne Smith. Gayle, she said, asked her what she was looking for, before moving his towel, flashing me and saying, are you looking for this?
[b]However, it came to light that Russell had sent messages to a friend days after the incident in which she described the Jamaican as a lazy-arsed motherf..ker who does no prep.
Big drama the last few days because I told them to f..k off their late night texts, Ms Russell sent to a friend. Stick your penis in any woman outside the bus, not me.[/b]
hmmmm...didn't a Digital rep once complain about more numbers than runs?
Walco
2017-10-26 10:10:06
The case is before Judge Lucy McCallum and a jury of three women and a man.
Chris needs to start prepping his appeal. Kangaroo court in session?
camos
2017-10-26 10:23:43
In reply to Walco
isn't it a libel case against a media company?
Chrissy
2017-10-26 10:27:33
In reply to Larr Pullo
Don't mek me remind dis rumshop about your own.
Larr Pullo
2017-10-26 10:38:41
In reply to Chrissy
?????
Please remind me, or make that us...
sgtdjones
2017-10-26 10:39:54
analyst-kid
2017-10-26 11:11:01
Two things puzzle me
1. Why would a masseuse of all people be surprised and distraught about what was exposed to her in whilst going into a mens dressing room?
2.Why would a woman in 2017 be offended with a text saying she is sexy? You text or say that to women nowadays and they reply "Thank you!"
Furthermore she fb messaged someone saying " Gayle is a lazy assed (bleep)"..sounds like a jilted and bitter lover to me considering she is not even a hot looker....but then again we all know she is really claiming for fame here.
black
2017-10-26 11:17:53
In reply to camos
she said she went in to look for a sandwich but when Gayle asked her why she was there she said she was looking for a towel. Was the towel to wrap the sandwich? confused
She was looking for a sandwich but found sausage instead.
natty_forever
2017-10-26 11:27:32
In reply to black... and needed a towel to wrap it?
Walco
2017-10-26 11:50:27
In reply to camos
You apparently do not think Gayle has the right to appeal if he loses
camos
2017-10-26 12:31:36
In reply to analyst-kid.
Why would a masseuse of all people be surprised and distraught about what was exposed to her in whilst going into a mens dressing room?
like a nurse giving a male patient a bath and surprise his dick got hard!
openning
2017-10-26 12:41:34
In reply to analyst-kid
1. Why would a masseuse of all people be surprised and distraught about what was exposed to her in whilst going into a mens dressing room?
Dude, if your daughter or sister worked in a professional field, would you say the same?
We males must respect females, they are not our toys.
Gayle may or may not had exposed himself to her, if he did, it was wrong.
Drapsey
2017-10-26 12:59:04
In reply to openning
Dude, if your daughter or sister worked in a professional field, would you say the same?
We males must respect females, they are not our toys.
Gayle may or may not had exposed himself to her, if he did, it was wrong.
Maybe the worst post you ever made.
Are you trying to interfere with the laws of nature?
The woman chose to become a therapist giving her access to males bodyparts. What would she expect?
When we would empathize with the woman from the "Blush" incident because of the environment in which it occurred, here we're talking about a woman entering a male dressing-room.
Again, what would she expect?
Larr Pullo
2017-10-26 13:07:45
In reply to Drapsey
Would Gayle feel the same about a Male Masseuse? Or how about a homosexual male masseuse? Since he can't restrain himself around a woman...
openning
2017-10-26 13:15:23
In reply to Drapsey
Dude, we all go to professional people, we just don't expose ourselves, until we are asked to do so.
Only a week or so ago, a quarterback, had to apologized for his remarks, on a question asked by a female reporter.
Every time I get a massage, or get a medical procedure done, I am robe
The woman chose to become a therapist giving her access to males bodyparts. What would she expect?
What is the above has to do with the case?
Do you usually take your pants down before being asked to do so?
Walco
2017-10-26 13:24:51
In reply to openning
Left dem fellas man. It it it appears that the only massages kid, camos and Drapsey have ever had are those with happy endings
Walco
2017-10-26 13:30:43
In reply to Larr Pullo
Big drama the last few days because I told them to f..k off their late night texts, Ms Russell sent to a friend. Stick your penis in any woman outside the bus, not me.
Perhaps players of the WI dressing room were engaged in a competition to see who could bag the masseuse.
FuzzyWuzzy
2017-10-26 13:45:19
In reply to Drapsey
Entering the room maybe part of her work area
runout
2017-10-26 13:47:08
Some of us are just willing to jump on a bandwagon without any access to facts. Seems like we can save the courts time and money by expediting judgement.
Larr Pullo
2017-10-26 13:47:47
In reply to Walco
Look, Gayle and the rest of the team probably had more than enough stray cyat around to keep him busy. Leh de woman do her job in peace. He and the fellas could let that one pass outside the off stump, if of course her allegations are true.
Larr Pullo
2017-10-26 13:48:37
In reply to runout
So you think absolutely NOTHING happened and the woman dreamed the whole thing up.
openning
2017-10-26 13:55:25
In reply to Larr Pullo
When Bill Cosby was accused a number of people jumped to defend him. {the usual suspects}
Now the same for Bill O'Reilly or Harvie
runout
2017-10-26 13:55:41
In reply to Larr Pullo
No, I am saying that we do not know what the facts are...there is currently a legal inquiry to determine what happened, based on the evidence. So the courts are still going through the process, but we have already reached our respective conclusion without the necessary facts.
I am not agreeing, nor disagreeing. I am just not readily jumping the gun.
cricketmad
2017-10-26 13:56:21
In reply to black
She was looking for a sandwich but found sausage instead.
You mean a sausage roll !
Drapsey
2017-10-26 14:05:50
In reply to Larr Pullo
Would Gayle feel the same about a Male Masseuse? Or how about a homosexual male masseuse? Since he can't restrain himself around a woman...
Now you're the one trying to change the laws of nature.
As I asked somewhere before, what if the genders of the actors were reversed and the male therapist (or whatever) entered the females' dressing room?
openning
2017-10-26 15:18:46
In reply to Drapsey
As I asked somewhere before, what if the genders of the actors were reversed and the male therapist (or whatever) entered the females' dressing room?
That female should be fully dress, and await the therapist.
A female therapist should be as professional as a male.
There are certain things should be out of bounds.
spider
2017-10-26 15:30:01
Drapsey
2017-10-26 15:46:41
In reply to openning
That female should be fully dress, and await the therapist.
A female therapist should be as professional as a male.
My deduction from reading about the events in question...
The female therapist made an unscheduled visit to the male dressing-room, supposedly to get some soda. Somehow her need for a towel arose (not sure whether she developed the urge for the towel because she saw Gayle clad in one), maybe to wipe any excess soda from mouth (or wherever). The fact that all this is taking place in a male dressing room remains at least suspect to me.
It remains uncertain how the dialog about the towel started, but for a woman to be in a male dressing-room asking about the availability of a towel when the males present were clad only in towels, would evoke the question about her motives any day of the week, society notwithstanding.
sgtdjones
2017-10-26 15:59:46
Donovan Miller, a friend of Chris Gayle claims the usually exuberant West Indian has become reserved and scared, particularly around women since accusations made by former team masseuse Leanne Russell became public.
The cricket coach, who was born in Jamaica but now lives in England, gave character evidence to a New South Wales court on Thursday, in which he insisted that the player had been badly scarred by the claims.
You can see that the incident has affected him a lot," Miller told the court.
"You look in his eyes and you can see he's really hurting about it, he added.
Judgement
2017-10-26 16:10:40
In reply to Walco
Dwayne Smith is also a very close friend of Chris which makes the credibility of his statements questionable.
Judgement
2017-10-26 16:12:36
In reply to Drapsey
This article make things a little clearer.
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She was a member of the team, she was allowed in the dressing room.
openning
2017-10-26 16:13:55
In reply to Drapsey
It remains uncertain how the dialog about the towel started, but for a woman to be in a male dressing-room asking about the availability of a towel when the males present were clad only in towels, would evoke the question about her motives any day of the week, society notwithstanding.
I cannot address the above, I just do not know the protocol of the management team, when entering the locker rooms
BTW, she was part of the WI support staff, not a groupie.
I am aware in other sports, that during locker interviews, players must be fully dress.
Judgement
2017-10-26 16:24:41
In reply to analyst-kid
1. Why would a masseuse of all people be surprised and distraught about what was exposed to her in whilst going into a mens dressing room?
You are taking the statement at face (or headline) value. She was being harassed at various points by various members of the team hence why she had already complained to Richie. She was distraught because she was subjected to discrimination in her job based on her gender.
2.Why would a woman in 2017 be offended with a text saying she is sexy? You text or say that to women nowadays and they reply "Thank you!"
You cannot be serious?! Why should a woman in her professional capacity, be expected to tolerate texts like that? She is there for work and it is not work-related to be sending people texts calling them "sexy". That would not be tolerated in a US or UK workplace so why should she have tolerated that? The fact is, most of these players have little respect for women and are used to women throwing themselves at them. They expected her to do the same and treated her the same way they are used to treating most women. Have you forgotten how Chris felt it was ok to tell Mel McLaughlin "don't blush baby" when she was doing her job? You obviously don't work in a corporate environment in 2017 to know what will and will not be tolerated.
Furthermore she fb messaged someone saying " Gayle is a lazy assed (bleep)"..sounds like a jilted and bitter lover to me considering she is not even a hot looker....but then again we all know she is really claiming for fame here.
Gayle IS lazy. That is a well known secret in international cricket circles. What does that have to do with how she looks? Why would her looks even come into it? And how can she be claiming for fame when it is Gayle that is suing Fairfax? Seems to me you are the sexist here.
Judgement
2017-10-26 16:32:06
In reply to Drapsey
The woman chose to become a therapist giving her access to males bodyparts. What would she expect?
When we would empathize with the woman from the "Blush" incident because of the environment in which it occurred, here we're talking about a woman entering a male dressing-room.
Again, what would she expect?
I cannot believe what i am reading! So because she entered the dressing room (which she was rightfully allowed access to enter as a member of the team) that means she must be subjected to harassment and unwanted attention? That's like telling a rape victim she was asking for it because she dressed a certain way. You people must be living in remote caves with zero laws and civilization because these comments are utterly outrageous.
Judgement
2017-10-26 16:36:05
In reply to openning
Exactly. The same Gayle who has mirrored ceilings in his bedroom next to his stripper's pole which he does not even hide on his social media along with his countless videos drinking smoking and liming with various women. They trying to paint him like he Mother Teresa
Judgement
2017-10-26 16:43:13
In reply to Drapsey
for a woman to be in a male dressing-room asking about the availability of a towel when the males present were clad only in towels, would evoke the question about her motives any day of the week, society notwithstanding.
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ALL members of staff are allowed in the dressing room and that included her. And if she had motive, why the heck would she wait to enter a dressing room to see Chris drop his towel when she had intimate and private access to them all from the beginning of the tour being responsible for their 1 to 1 massage therapy. She would not need to enter the dressing room to have seen him naked, it was the fact that it was unwanted attention that is the issue here. Think about what you are saying.
camos
2017-10-26 16:47:59
In reply to Judgement
Dwayne Smith is also a very close friend of Chris which makes the credibility of his statements questionable.
did Gayle call on Smith as a witness,or it was the lady who did?
Judgement
2017-10-26 17:02:02
In reply to camos
No it was Gayle's legal counsel that did.
camos
2017-10-26 17:13:34
In reply to Judgementthe lady is screwed! if it was a jury trial she would stand a better chance.
Judgement
2017-10-26 17:25:56
In reply to camos
It is a jury trial. 3 women and 1 man, as well as a female judge.
camos
2017-10-26 19:25:43
[b]In reply to Judgement[/b
]She told the NSW Supreme Court she went to the changing room to look for a towel and came across Gayle
they are all judges, you don't have jury in high court.
tc1
2017-10-26 19:32:05
In reply to openning
I am aware in other sports, that during locker interviews, players must be fully dress
Did this change, NBA players in the past had towels wrapped around them, once a female report accuses Larry Johnson of flashing her.
Judgement
2017-10-26 19:33:47
In reply to camos
Proceedings are taking place at the Supreme Court not high court.
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camos
2017-10-26 19:34:59
In reply to Judgement
supreme is the highest court!
Judgement
2017-10-26 19:38:30
In reply to camos
Two different courts friend lol. Under New South Wales law where case is being heard:
Civil trials
Civil trials which require juries are usually defamation proceedings. The trial judge will outline the issues the jury needs to consider to decide who is at fault. A civil trial jury is typically comprised of 4 jurors, however, in the Supreme Court, 12 jurors may be ordered.
As i said, 4 jurors in this case - 3 women and 1 man and a female judge.
camos
2017-10-26 19:40:46
In reply to Judgement
ok my friend!
quick question, isn't a jury 12?
Judgement
2017-10-26 19:48:17
In reply to camos
Also see:
A jury of three women and one man was earlier empanelled for the trial with two men excused after telling Justice Lucy McCallum they were cricket fans and particularly liked Gayle.
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Judgement
2017-10-26 19:51:18
In reply to camos
In most criminal trials yes (and that too depending on jurisdiction). This is a civil trial.
camos
2017-10-26 19:52:15
In reply to Judgement
defamation proceedings
is this case defamation or libel or the same standards apply in both situations?
Judgement
2017-10-26 20:02:28
In reply to camos
Libel is a form of defamation as you may know but under Australian law, from what i know, libel and slander are no longer distinguished. Fairfax are relying on the defences of truth and qualified privilege and truth is an absolute defence in defamation.
Verstehen
2017-10-27 03:17:52
In reply to Drapsey
Now you're the one trying to change the laws of nature.
The laws of nature don't include flashing your d*ck at women.
That comes under the law of perversion.
Drapsey
2017-10-27 07:08:25
In reply to Verstehen
Now you're taking the low road by referencing my quote outside the context in which it was written.