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Rowlee Mudda Count

 
Narper 2017-12-24 10:25:44 

Rowlee Mudda Count

 
bravos 2017-12-24 10:32:22 

In reply to Narper

Bad taste.

 
Cheeks 2017-12-24 10:37:54 

Wow!! shock shock

 
Narper 2017-12-24 10:41:17 

In reply to bravos

Tit for tat

Injun bwoys ready to share licks too

Cro Cro has competition now

 
DAVE400 2017-12-24 10:49:27 

In reply to Narper

So...you vex wid somebody behaviour so your response is to imitate it?

Distasteful...

 
voiceofreason 2017-12-24 11:04:13 

In reply to Narper

Your turn now.

BTW this fool is not even in Cro Cro's class.

 
voiceofreason 2017-12-24 11:04:54 

In reply to DAVE400

Narper approves the message.

 
doosra 2017-12-24 11:08:25 

In reply to Narper

he coulda seh dih same thing if he did follow sparrow and dem man who killed double entendre big grin

 
doosra 2017-12-24 11:11:25 

isn't this part of a bigger problem with the "organised noise" industry tho?

the main difference is some isht will smell stinker than others...

this is bound to happen with so much crap passing for "music"

 
doosra 2017-12-24 11:13:43 

even the beat...just 1 2 1 2

crap man

raise your game

 
DAVE400 2017-12-24 11:15:35 

In reply to voiceofreason

pardnah...is the selective condemning while encouraging the other that does cause divisiveness...

cro-cro is a skunt...and anyone that imitate just imitating a skunt..and most likely will succeed in being a skunt...

It really is that simple...

 
sgtdjones 2017-12-24 11:27:20 

In reply to voiceofreason


BTW this fool is not even in Cro Cro's class.


So Cro Cro gats class when he does the same thing

Ah gat ya.


PNM women slam ‘Rowley mother’ song

Chutney Singer Nirmal “Massive” Gosine’s latest song Rowley Mother Count has triggered a heated online debate on what should pass for composition at the national level.

Yesterday, Planning and Development Minister Camille Robinson-Regis joined the chorus of opposition to the play of words, describing it as distasteful and loathsome.

“No matter what someone may feel about Prime Minister Dr Keith Rowley, at least the office he holds should be respected,” Robinson-Regis said.


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Rowley blasted for ‘Jamettery’ comment

Several arms of the United National Congress (UNC) have condemned Prime Minister Dr Keith Rowley for using the term “jammettery” in reference to Opposition Leader Kamla Persad-Bissessar’s expose on the alleged “fake oil” corruption at Petrotrin.

Among them, UNC Chairman and Pointe-a-Pierre Member of Parliament David Lee, questioned why the Prime Minister constantly degraded women as he (Lee) called on the country to unite and condemn the statement.

“Why would a leader, who is supposed to promote respect towards women, look to degrade a female leader who has contributed so much to our national development?” Lee asked.

He said the language is unbecoming of a person who holds high office.


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How many commented on Rowley for the above comments.
The funny part she was correct in the fake Oil scandal.
Now you see why its wise to stay outta T&T and its
problems.

 
Narper 2017-12-24 11:34:34 

In reply to sgtdjones

Ah never hear any ah dem condemn Cro Cro et al

Too many hypocrites in the land

You know what....Rowlee mudda count !!!

 
sgtdjones 2017-12-24 11:37:27 

In reply to Narper

Rowley deserves what he gets

He lies as much as Trump

He is a very poor leader


Why condemn Cro Cro man, he is one ah we, dem will say

evil evil evil

 
Narper 2017-12-24 11:38:14 

In reply to doosra

even the beat...just 1 2 1 2

crap man

raise your game


Artistes give de people what dem want....

 
sgtdjones 2017-12-24 11:41:20 

How many proclaimed when Cro Cro was singing his songs

let's avoid his appearances?

Now the PNM saying such !!!

Isn't that two face, we can do it but nobady else can.

 
sgtdjones 2017-12-24 11:42:22 

In reply to Narper

Narps

Just ignore some of the comments.

cool cool cool

 
Narper 2017-12-24 11:46:09 

Ah was still living in T&T when Crazy...'Paul yuh mudda come' was a big hit

Paul yuh mudda come

 
voiceofreason 2017-12-24 12:20:36 

In reply to sgtdjones

At least Cro Cro had talent. What is this fool's claim to fame? Can't sing, can't perform,can't write Mudda Count?

smile

 
doosra 2017-12-24 12:21:00 

In reply to voiceofreason

so talent cover for the nonsense?

 
voiceofreason 2017-12-24 12:22:36 

In reply to Narper

Paul you mudda come was not directed at the head of state. BTW that is a 10 times better double entendre and production than this shite that I could only bear to listen one verse of. Man have real idle time.

 
voiceofreason 2017-12-24 12:27:11 

In reply to doosra

Cro Cro took on Sat Maraj's comments on pan trinbago and even called out his own race in lick bottom african and other songs. He challenged and questioned common entrance results etc. Was he controversial and divisive yes? But in most cases he was simply answering back.

If this joker had made a song over Rowley calling Kamla a Jamerette then I could understand but why he disrespecting his Mother?

What I am saying is that he should find something that Rowley said and throw it back at him. Nothing wrong with that.

 
Narper 2017-12-24 12:34:09 

In reply to voiceofreason

Can't sing, can't perform,can't write Mudda Count?


Is jus jealous yuh jealous

You want me to call in Rikiniki wink

 
granite 2017-12-24 12:36:59 

So some are allowed to give but can't take,calypsonians have been directing their ditties in Indos direction for years yet no outburst,this though has brought out condemnation.I have heard Cro Cro,but his songs never brought out as much as a whisper,I have always heard songs about Indos,many were derogatory and some were funny,this one "Rowlee mother count" is definitely in Cro Cro's class,if anybody wants to used the word class to describe them.TT is a society of Bacchanal origins,they won't change now,the other half is picking up and learning well.


cool

 
voiceofreason 2017-12-24 12:51:57 

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Blackman dey look for that as Cro Cro calls out his own race!

 
voiceofreason 2017-12-24 12:56:13 

Panday the jail is waiting smile

Gypsy and he chupidness. Where Gypsy now...UNC fack he! smile

Anyways let me stay out of Tittie politricks see.

 
sgtdjones 2017-12-24 13:02:31 

In reply to voiceofreason

You just jealous dat he can write better and sing better
calypso's dan you can

lol lol lol lol

 
voiceofreason 2017-12-24 13:07:24 

In reply to sgtdjones

You just jealous dat he can write better and sing better
calypso's dan you can


Is Calypso you call that facteries? Oh lorss... smile

 
granite 2017-12-24 13:18:03 

In reply to voiceofreason
Nothing derogatory about the "blackman"there,he is only trying to educate them because he is a PNM till he dead,couldn't stand to see them lose an election.Isn't that what he is singing about?

 
Narper 2017-12-24 13:23:30 

In reply to sgtdjones

In reply to voiceofreason

You just jealous dat he can write better and sing better
calypso's dan you can


big grin big grin big grin big grin big grin

AND TO A MUCH LARGER AUDIENCE big grin big grin big grin

 
voiceofreason 2017-12-24 13:24:51 

In reply to granite

Nothing derogatory about the "blackman"there,he is only trying to educate them because he is a PNM till he dead,couldn't stand to see them lose an election.Isn't that what he is singing about?


Close.

Nothing derogatory. He simply was telling them to educate themselves and stay in tune to what is happening in the country and take part in the political process. Most of them did not bother to vote or take part on the political process and as a result the PNM lost.

 
Narper 2017-12-24 13:26:29 

In reply to granite

When Sugar Aloes....who had claimed he was a PNM fuh life ....and sang how Panday's wife was a kitchen mechanic....but in his later years....hang he head weh de loup was leaking....and sang positively for Kamla.....he was ostracized.....why????

You and I know why

 
voiceofreason 2017-12-24 13:29:01 

In reply to Narper

Just because a Man plays to a larger audience does not mean he is better than the one who plays to a smaller audience. smile

 
sgtdjones 2017-12-24 13:29:50 

In reply to Narper


AND TO A MUCH LARGER AUDIENCE
\


Narps

Dats funny, ah on the floor

Whey VOR?



lol lol lol

 
voiceofreason 2017-12-24 13:31:01 

In reply to Narper

Rightfully he was ostracized. He deserve that baptism in Skinner park bout 'She's royal'. He sold out!!! One thing in Calypso you don't sell out. "I hear in the doldrum takeing me blows, I ent drinking nothing like Sugar Aloes". Now that is Kaiso not that Chutney fack that clown singing.

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Narper 2017-12-24 13:36:22 

In reply to DAVE400

Distasteful..


How is it distasteful...this is classic trini culture

Are you ashamed??? and why?

 
Narper 2017-12-24 13:43:27 

In reply to voiceofreason

'She's royal'. He sold out!!!


How so....she was in office for only one year....was it because she was Indo...de only reason?


Now that is Kaiso not that Chutney fack that clown singing.


Isn't that your main point.....Chutney is fact ....and should have no place in trini culture....many trinis think exactly like you....unfortunately more than half a million trinis think otherwise

 
voiceofreason 2017-12-24 13:51:57 

In reply to Narper


How so....she was in office for only one year....was it because she was Indo...de only reason?


Listen to the song the Man get a piece of Land a Vigo. He sell out simple. She's royal my arse! She in office for a year and she royal already?'


Isn't that your main point.....Chutney is fact ....and should have no place in trini culture....many trinis think exactly like you....unfortunately more than half a million trinis think otherwise


I like the fusion of the Indian and African rhythms as that is authentically TnT but most of the singers cannot sing and their lyrical content is limited to rum til i die and Ramsingh Sharma.

 
voiceofreason 2017-12-24 13:55:14 

A Cro Cro Gem:

Nobody eh go know He won with this one. The funny side of Cro Cro.

 
Halliwell 2017-12-24 14:43:30 

In reply to Narper

Narps, I hear you bro!

When every man jack was laffin at Kamla pipe, and drunken sailor, it was fair game
Camomile didn’t have respect for the office it represented then

When Crazy sang about “Paul, your mother is here” lol nobody thought it was distasteful then or sympathised with Paul

Now an almighty outrage

lol

Haul allyuh skin- ent Carnival culture is picong?

Take licks and hush big grin

 
DAVE400 2017-12-24 15:09:07 

In reply to Narper

I have nothing to be shame bout...but i dont believe in perpetuating hate and anger...

Kind of Buddhist in meh old age...

Exceptions made for bitcoin crooks

 
sgtdjones 2017-12-24 17:36:46 

In reply to DAVE400

As a Trini, I disagree

I see none of what you noted above

We are known for picong

Narps is correct if I picong someone,

I expect twice as much in return.

The Indians in Trinidad are referred to as meek,
and walk away if confronted.

It's about time the young generation show some balls.

Rowley loves to give,

When it is returned, he wants a physical confrontation.

A sign of a poor leader.

Manning noted such.

I have a few coins and am not a crook.

 
bravos 2017-12-24 18:50:30 

Its a shit rendition....nothing like Paul yuh mudda come..

It's shitty bad...anyone can say anyone 'mudda come'...no comparison to Paul/Haul yuh mudda come..

It's almost childish this one..no artistic value whatsoever..hard to listen to pleh..

Fuck both Rowley and kamla BTW..And without grease.

 
Devin 2017-12-24 18:57:25 

Define jammettery?

 
Devin 2017-12-24 19:00:12 

In reply to sgtdjones

Indo Trinis are the biggest set of pantyseeds I've ever come across. They make Indo Guyanese men appear manly.

 
voiceofreason 2017-12-24 19:18:15 

In reply to bravos

The clown who came up with this concept needs a good bull pistle pon he rass!

To call that shite art is a stretch!


Paul you mother come was a creative piece:

She come in the party hot and sweaty
Say she looking for her man
I was with me cousin
Coursing a moccasin
When all of a sudden
I don't know what it is happen

Inside the party she tell the MC
'Paul you mother come' x3

Paul you mother come from America

Now that is artistry! That is Kaiso! For the record I ent have no problem with picong but make use some creativity no.

 
Narper 2017-12-24 19:21:48 

In reply to bravos

Its a shit rendition....nothing like Paul yuh mudda come..


that is your biased view

 
Narper 2017-12-24 19:23:36 

In reply to Devin

Define jammettery?


Trini language this mean WHORING

That comes the Prime Minister's mouth....to the FEMALE opposition leader ...and former Prime Minister

 
Narper 2017-12-24 19:44:49 

In reply to Devin

Indo Trinis are the biggest set of pantyseeds I've ever come across.


I guarantee you....you are talking about indo trinis on <b>THIS BOARD</b>...those who like to pretend there are no racial problems in T&T....and racial problems only exist with the 'racist' muddies

I have been closely associated with UWI academia in research in the 1970-1980s ....later became very close to some Ministers of the NAR government....when I tell you racism exists in T&T...I am not speaking out of the rim of my ass..like many do here

I have rubbed shoulders with Indo trinis at UWI and worked with unpretentious genuine down to earth trinis in T&T for years....and they are NOT 'pantyseeds' whatever that really mean ....they do feel terribly discriminated against...

they would tell me.....what was happening in de Mudland ( 1970-80s ) would never happen in T&T....in fact they said muddies were too soft...

If pantyseed mean pretenders than you are right

 
analyst-kid 2017-12-24 20:03:07 

I here reading and laughing. The song is not or not meant to be in the competitive type calibre of a Cro Cro rendition.

Just a simple calypso poking fun at Rowley.

But when they was disrespecting and dismissing Panday's wife as a loose woman wid songs like Oma's Big Account and Aloes ripping her apart in kaiso noone was crying out including Women's movements.

The Indians finally retaliating!

 
XDFIX 2017-12-24 20:21:31 

In reply to bravos

It's shitty bad...anyone can say anyone 'mudda come'...no comparison to Paul/Haul yuh mudda come..


A agree!

 
sgtdjones 2017-12-24 20:39:34 

In reply to voiceofreason

This guy is good.

Misprint - Nermal "Massive" Gosein

 
sgtdjones 2017-12-24 20:41:18 

Christmas Bad Head - Nermal "Massive" Gosein


Indian Open Your Eyes - Nermal Gosein

 
voiceofreason 2017-12-24 22:33:22 

In reply to sgtdjones

He trying hard but the original from Pink Panther is way better: Pink Panther misprint

 
bravos 2017-12-25 01:10:37 

In reply to Narper

that is your biased view


No that's my educated view as a Trini and the understanding of my dialect..I repeat "Paul(HAUL) yuh mudda come" (from America) and anybody mudda count/come is no comparison...NONE..

 
bravos 2017-12-25 01:11:05 

In reply to XDFIX

Dey don't get it..some blinded by the tribal and political agenda..any convenient crap will smell nice..


Buh dis dougla is de antidote..

Both sides mudda come!

 
bravos 2017-12-25 01:13:02 

In reply to voiceofreason

Chalk and cheese...dem men on other heights...no win...

For BASIC artistic value ALONE there's NONE.

 
Narper 2017-12-25 05:41:58 

In reply to bravos

Dey don't get it..some blinded by the tribal and political agenda..any convenient crap will smell nice..


For you too......its obvious which side you on....and which crap would not smell nice for you

Buh dis dougla is de antidote..


For what?

Being dougla don't give you a free pass....don't make you more trini than anybody...or unbiased......as they come.....but that is your right....to be whatever.....but don't pretend...because YOU ARE NEVER NEUTRAL...antidote mih ass

BTW.....your initial reaction to this song is "bad taste"....now you are comparing...whether it is as good as Crazy's Paul yuh mudda Come....and whether the singer can sing...come on

Bottom line....Rowlee mudda count....and dat hurt you....so don't talk bout others being blinded by the tribal and political agenda..any convenient crap will smell nice..

Read what Bajan top calypsonian Analyst-kid says on this thread

I here reading and laughing. The song is not or not meant to be in the competitive type calibre of a Cro Cro rendition.

Just a simple calypso poking fun at Rowley.

But when they was disrespecting and dismissing Panday's wife as a loose woman wid songs like Oma's Big Account and Aloes ripping her apart in kaiso noone was crying out including Women's movements.

The Indians finally retaliating!
reply

 
BeatDball 2017-12-25 06:50:35 

In reply to Narper

big grin lol
Boi, I'm just sitting enjoying my cup of tea & enjoying this thread. btw, everybloody sleeping, but aunty has gone to wuk. She comes from a dirt poor background - wha u gwine do....

 
Narper 2017-12-25 07:00:14 

In reply to BeatDball

big grin big grin

Dong here aunty in bed

 
BeatDball 2017-12-25 07:02:52 

In reply to Narper Well...enjoy that nice start for xmas.

cool

 
Halliwell 2017-12-25 07:05:38 

In reply to bravos

Merry Christmas bro!

I ain’t blinded by political nutting and especially not tribal business
But the same artistic attributes yuh ascribe the Crazy song, we can say that Gosein cites the current praedial larceny epidemic and a striving farmer, counting her produce as any responsible and forward thinking woman would do, who might have one day raised up a PM from her family. In this piece she displays good stewardship with her lot in life.
Damn, look out Walcott! Move over Naipaul! lol

 
Narper 2017-12-25 07:07:42 

In reply to BeatDball

Same to you bro big grin big grin big grin

All de best

 
Narper 2017-12-25 07:09:33 

In reply to Halliwell

Its obvious Bravos din't go past the refrain "Rowlee mudda count'


Merry Christmas to you and family big grin

 
Halliwell 2017-12-25 07:54:38 

In reply to Narper

And you bro!

Bravos is usually always right... Bravs, what local wine you been drinking pardnah? lol

 
voiceofreason 2017-12-25 07:57:23 

In reply to bravos True that. One of the worst double entendres I have heard and don't talk about the video.

Merry Christmas and Hapoy Holidays to all!

 
DAVE400 2017-12-25 08:24:53 

Everybody including Rowley HYMC...have yourself a merry Christmas.

 
granite 2017-12-25 08:56:47 

In reply to DAVE400

I couldn't put it any better,too many hypocrites in TT,some like to give but can't take,that's how I see it from far off.

 
Halliwell 2017-12-25 13:35:16 

In reply to voiceofreason

Dude, thanks but no thanks

We have enough division in T&T

This may be a one star song, but it’s judged by a different metric anyway
Carnival is ‘we ting’ only when it’s performed by the correct ‘we’
The other ‘we’ should stick to making eye candy fete photos and pretending to know how to ‘do Carnival’

 
bravos 2017-12-25 13:55:42 

In reply to Halliwell

I just find the man ain sounding nowhere good...I listen to all dougla music (fusion) almost every day btw..and enjoy good chutney regularly..the man just rel light that's all..

And I mentioned 'some' ...they know who they are..


All the best..

 
bravos 2017-12-25 13:57:29 

In reply to Narper

Please refer to above post...I am a walking living ultimate example of all you trying to trivialize and rationalize...allyuh havta to politely ask me my opinion cause it's valid...more so than any one side...

Merry xmas bredda..

 
analyst-kid 2017-12-25 15:33:39 

This is not the first time a "Dougla" fly up in the face of the Trini calypso fraternity with a calypso.

In 1961 the Mighty Dougla (deceased 1970) beat the world famous PNM supporting Mighty Sparrow in the calypso king competition with a song relating to the recently completed elections and racial rivalry..

Song starts at 0.57

 
Maispwi 2017-12-25 17:04:44 

In reply to sgtdjones

Good what? Ah hope he give Pink Panther royalties

 
Halliwell 2017-12-25 17:09:57 

In reply to bravos

I agree- the song is utter rubbish
But I was having a problem with the nouveau outrage and new respect baseline expected lol

 
DAVE400 2017-12-25 18:20:36 

In reply to Maispwi

He actually mentions Pink Panther in the song...he not being discreet about the plagiarism...

 
Narper 2017-12-25 18:42:22 

In reply to bravos

Please refer to above post...I am a walking living ultimate example of all you trying to trivialize and rationalize...allyuh havta to politely ask me my opinion cause it's valid...more so than any one side...

trivialize and rationalize


Who is doing dat....not me....but you are....you think you are de expert ONLY because you are dougla...NONESENSE I say

I don't know why being dougla automatically qualifies you as any expert

But Okay....

Tell us about yuh best chutneys songs and artistes...that should be easy right?

 
BeatDball 2017-12-25 18:56:56 

Tree-knees are fun people - alyuh leave them alone.
big grin

 
Narper 2017-12-25 20:03:21 

In reply to BeatDball

Dougla beat ball

Many Trinis are pretenders

 
sgtdjones 2017-12-25 20:31:58 

In reply to bravos

Please refer to above post...I am a walking living ultimate example of all you trying to trivialize and rationalize...allyuh havta to politely ask me my opinion cause it's valid...more so than any one side...


You are a Trini as I am, you aren't any ultimate example.Where did you get such from?.

Since when Douglas is such ?.

I admit you have the right to your opinion, but doh come
on a Board and paint with a broad brush about T&T.

I would like you to explain agenda driven since it's your way out of a debate.Provide proof, not trivial summations.

Trinidad and Tobago don't need you nor anyone to defend her, the politicians are doing a great job of such taking her into poverty.

For anyone who wants to know, T&T is no dam paradise.It has racial politics, a divided country and a failed one that should be in a better economic position.

The young Indian Trini's aren't meek as their parents were, they will stand up.

Anyway, I see Narps is taking you on.

 
bravos 2017-12-25 20:45:33 

In reply to sgtdjones

You jokey,why am I not surprised that you would take the simplistic route,do I have to break it down for you all the time?

The bigger point was my vantage point gave/gives me the opportunity to see much more than any of you...geez you guys light...Do I have to explain 'my vantage point' too??

Regarding the song I maintain that it's crap by any standard and in any genre..

Bye now...enough of this divisive crap for me,fell right into the trap..

ta ta...

 
bravos 2017-12-25 20:49:27 

In reply to Narper

Above...

Later...

 
bravos 2017-12-25 20:52:31 

In reply to Halliwell

Nah I just find it real tasteless and shitty,no matter who the PM is,this is the lowest of the low...so everybody go sing about de man mother c@nt now?..nah....steups..

 
sgtdjones 2017-12-25 22:04:25 

In reply to bravos

In my brief stay at this site too date, I have yet to see you provide any facts in a debate.
As I noted you come on as some expert on T&T and you are not.

It's time you cut out the crap about agenda driven, now its simplistic route, it is what I call BS.

I never asked you for your opinion about the song?, I view such as your business not mine.

You have no vantage point that gives you any more insight than any Trini, ie is again all BS. Nor do I care about such point, it has no effect on me.

It was no decisive crap, you showed your true colors.
T&T is a divided Country.
Just as your PM he can give, but cant take.

I grew up in a family where we go straight to the point, we don't deviate. Growing up in the Bush from Moruga and Cedros, honed me well.

Peace

 
Narper 2017-12-25 23:51:54 

In reply to sgtdjones

cool cool

Tongue man always tink deh know everyting wink

 
Narper 2017-12-25 23:58:51 

In reply to bravos

In reply to Narper

Above...

Later..


Yeah right....yuh have to research you chutney and chutney singers......right?

Yuh see....I could name off my head many....calypso/soca and chutney and Bollywood .....like thousands of trinis could

Being dougla don't make you an expert

 
bravos 2017-12-26 02:04:15 

Talk to my attorney,I'm done here.. cool

 
sgtdjones 2017-12-26 11:29:03 

In reply to bravos

For your attorney to be meritorious,
he must show, he asked for the similar protocol
when others were being sung about.

If not, you both are at the same detestable level.

ps Are you aware that lawyers in a poll were shown to be the most distrustful of all the occupations, and that included used car salesmen, that were submitted?

I see why you done here.

 
runout 2017-12-26 11:49:03 

In reply to sgtdjones

Sarge, I see that you are in running the drill,

It is the holidays.....time to be festive!

Cheers!!!

 
Narper 2017-12-26 16:51:24 

In reply to sgtdjones

I see why you done here.
cool cool

 
DAVE400 2017-12-27 08:59:35 

The song, produced by popular arranger Leston Paul, has not been played on the radio since it was produced two weeks ago. In it Gosine sings about Dr Keith Rowley’s mother planting and selling vegetables. She falls victim to thieves, then counts her losses.



Chuntney promoters ban the song

Songs written by Leston Paul


Would love to hear VOR condemn the writer of Who Let the Dogs Out and Hot Hot Hot... big grin big grin big grin big grin

Sorry...I find this development really funny....

 
Cheeks 2017-12-27 09:27:18 

The song is one thing...the video is another thing entirely.

 
Chrissy 2017-12-27 10:09:36 

In reply to Narper

Racist to the core

 
analyst-kid 2017-12-27 10:49:55 

Leston Paul is the greatest calypso arranger/producer in the world.

He is credited for arranging/producing PAN IN A MINOR and PAN IN DANGER among many other big hits.

He is even produced/arranged songs for me. He is a legend.

 
sgtdjones 2017-12-27 10:57:25 

In reply to Narper

hey Narps

Me tinks Chrissy gats a secret crush on ya

lol lol lol

 
DAVE400 2017-12-27 11:17:21 

In reply to Chrissy

Okay...Leston Paul is racist...

Paul, your muddah count your sellout money?

 
runout 2017-12-27 12:41:46 

Even Sat says ban all offensive music. The question is: What isn't offensive these days?

Too many artists are strectching the limits...but people are only responding to the ones that they find offensive.

In the mean time the music plays on.

 
Jumpstart 2017-12-27 12:53:58 

In reply to sgtdjones

REALLY, one of the highest rates for tertiary education in the western hemisphere, The western hemisphere's lowest electricity and water charges, and despite contentious race- influenced politics, not one single act of political violence during a general election.If that is a failed state, well then it can't be so bad. U really live in morouga de boss, away from everything and everybody. The fact that UAE and Saudi Arabia finally introduced VAT on their countries due to economic troubles caused by low energy prices means that they must be failed states also, right?

 
Narper 2017-12-27 12:54:39 

In reply to DAVE400

big grin

 
Narper 2017-12-27 12:58:44 

Alyuh know....too many HYPOCRITES AROUND

All ah dem MUDDA count

 
bravos 2017-12-27 14:38:30 

In reply to Narper

I'll be inside front row centre *reserved for right thinkers and winners,you guys can stay outside with Massive Flop Gosine and the losers and count mothers.

Chutney art-form people say so nuh me..

Full circle is so easy here,enough light food around.

 
bravos 2017-12-27 15:36:42 

In reply to Jumpstart

You dealing with a real self hater there pal,an alter-ego in limbo..

Doh worry you know it ain have nutten like a Trini rising,the world has no choice but to take note,we will rise out of these times of higher standards and expectations,it is good that only greatness is expected of us,they can't hit us the harmless peasant island pity covfefe because when they look around they see we have all that they have and even more in this lil rich place,so they go low and deep and set unreasonable expectations..

We are growing and with growth comes pain,but in the whole scheme of things nothing but trivia when compared to their advanced societies where you can get murdered for a number of reasons in a number of places from a number of people,even people with degrees may be your killer..that look more like a failed state to me when it's so bad you can't tell the difference and nowhere is safe..

Imagine people getting gunned down in a soca concert,man dey go say ban soca and carnival,dat make de man kill everybody..pleh..

 
sgtdjones 2017-12-27 20:32:19 

In reply to Jumpstart

REALLY, one of the highest rates for tertiary education in the western hemisphere, The western hemisphere's lowest electricity and water charges, and despite contentious race- influenced politics, not one single act of political violence during a general election.If that is a failed state, well then it can't be so bad. U really live in morouga de boss, away from everything and everybody.


This is a typical response from individuals who cannot recondite the subject of T&T.Including the poster above trying to ameliorate the suffering of people who have been caught in entanglements.



GATE program is being cut in 2018.
Garcia said Government expected to save $100 million in the first year and $200 million from next year.

67% of the population has water 24/7
75 % of the population has electricity 24/7

T&T averages 40 murders per month.

The Governments of T&T over that last decade plus received over 100 billion from The Gas and Oil sector to service approx 5500 sq km.

The ferry service from Trinidad to Tobago, it will soon be a year since this quagmire started, no end in sight.

Approx 20 % of the population lives in an impecunious situation.

Let's look at the infrastructure, bad roads, water lines
lack of housing 50,000 presently needed.

Laventille, Beetham and La Brea neglected for over 50 years.

Schools and Police stations needed.

T&T ranked in the top ten when Crime is being bandied about.The objective of governments is to protect its citizens. Citizens shouldn't have to live behind wire mesh on home windows.

Now, 100 billion dollars later, two little islands and the above still exist.

If you had an inkling of Economics, one would note that what the population thinks is free, is taxpayers money that has been badly wasted.
So what did the government do with such funds PetroTrin and Wasa billions, etc etc in debt that will be the burden of future generations?

The HSF will run out in 3 years leaving 3 months worth of foreign exchange.
T&T has been in a recession over the last three years and the public debt will exceed GNP by 2020.

In the boom years, we built buildings in POS, if all of the toilets were flushed the city will flood.A regular occurrence during rainfall.

Any rainfall and in the low lying areas floods occur, today, more than 50 years ago.

I can continue, but you are of the opinion its a paradise.In a democracy, we are all allowed to have opinions.

I grew up in Moruga and Cedros on two farms.My family still owns from late 1800's, plus a few business that make a profit and Forex for the government.
We have oil and gas wells pumping, since the middle of the 1900's. We pay a lot of taxes each year to help build this country since the late 1800's.

It leaves me with a good assessment of Trinidad and Tobago, so I am not away from everything and everybody as you suggest.

I have not and will not support any political party in this country, they do not have any inclination of good government and has lead T&T to a failed state status.

Peace

 
Jumpstart 2017-12-27 22:15:31 

In reply to sgtdjones

GATE was never sustainable anyways Sherlock. Im speaking of the persons who already graduated. Gate is being reorganized, yes but secondary schooling is still free. It is not in many of the other islands. Jamaicans for example have to pay for CXC exams. Some of them go through form 4 and form 5 and do not do the exam because they cannot afford to sit it.

Secondly, as with all ignorant persons( although you present an extreme case), you have missed key parts of TT's story. If TT was relying on oil alone, we would have been bankrupt a long while back. The recession if the 80s should have cripled us to the point of no return. But through sound fiscal management and the monetizing of our gas fields and the floating of the dollar, we were able to come out of that recession(which was ten times worse than the current one) and enjoy unprecedented wealth. How you think we paid for GATE, CDAP and all the other programmes?

Most oil and gas producing countries do not have an industrial estate. Which is why TT 's own was novel then and still novel to an extent now so that companies are still attracted to the facility which was Prof Ken Julien's creation and the one which launched his career as an energy czar who helped establish industries in Ghana, Tanzania etc.

De boss if you want to continue in your self hating ways,fine by me. But i know a lot of countries would kill to have what TT has and kill for what TT has achieved.

Maybe your idea of a successful country is Singapore which is indeed successful but is probably and has been the least democratic democracy in the entire world and hence conpeting voices are minimised or eliminated. But i and most Trinidadanian's with an iota of sense recognize that Trinidad and Tobago has been extremely fortunate but also has accomplished things that would seem well beyond us....but carry on

It is true that the HSF fund will run out in 3 years but you are also assuming that we won't be getting any forex. The current taxing regime with tge oil and gas companies instituted in 2014 has resulted in the country loosing well over US 1 billion dollars in revenue, which is partially why we are in recession.Under the current taxing regime, we don't collect any tax if the price is under $50 per barrel which was the case for the majority of 2015, all of 2016 and most of 2017, marinate on that . That is being addressed so it won't be that we won't be collecting anything. Thirdly, we are being taxed to protect what we have. All our social programmes and so on are funded entirely by the state. And even oil prices are recovering. Do you prefer that we spend like ballers and end up in the clutches of an IMF programme?

You don't even know the definition of a failed state so I would be quite correct in being skeptical in taking info from

Im sure you are one of those who is going to pontificate about the 1% too right without acknowledging that TT is one of the few countries in the western hemisphere with a tangible middle class.

 
sgtdjones 2017-12-27 22:58:22 

In reply to Jumpstart

Since you claim to know so much, nothing at Pt Lisas belong to the T&T government or its Citizens.

The government allowed the Foreign companies to write off all its investments via the profits which the taxpayers lost in the first 6 years.

When the gas is finished they can move the plants anywhere the shareholders want; the same as Atlantic LNG.

The GATE graduates, where will they be employed?
Gate has been funded by taxpayers.So it's not free.
I pay for such that I will never use.

The experts gave away the taxpayers inheritance,did T&T get 12.5 % royalties of every ounce of Oil and Gas it got out of the ground.NO

What do you think Canada and America do, they tax at the wellhead.They collect taxes regardless on the price. See how much these experts at T&T knows.

T&T got over 100 billion for 12.5 % since you claim to be in the know. Figure out how much their shareholders got and how the T&T taxpayers got screwed.

Texaco Refinery was bought for a couple of hundred Million. In its head office in White Plains, New York they partied for a year. An outdated refinery sold to fools.

I told Malcolm such in a meeting I had with him at his Office in POS.The same time a few Jews outsmarted him and sold him a process and refinery that cannot work. It's missing loops.Now its classified as JUNK.1.5 billion lost.

The taxpayers of T&T don't have a clue what these experts
did and how they were out manoeuvred.

Mismanagement will soon result in more taxes in T&T,
it has just started.

Didn't these experts build a steel Mill, now the owners are selling it as scrap?

Which Country recognizes T&T University graduates? None
Waste of money again.

Where do you get the idea I hate T&T.I disliked what the past governments did. Waste the Taxpayers inheritance.

I post facts and don't rose color it. Oil prices will not go over $60.00 for the next 5 years.It may have brief moments but will fluctuate.

When citizens have to live behind steel bars on windows an stay inside at night, its a failed state. Since the Government first mandate is to protect its citizens.

You keep on calling T&T successful tell me that in 3 years.

Peace

ps Your dollar is regarded as 30% overvalued abroad.

 
Jumpstart 2017-12-28 05:06:40 

In reply to sgtdjones

Brent crude is $66 per barrel and texas intermediate is $59.00, but carry on. UWI is a degree mill now....oh ok, well then that isn't so only for Failed State Trinidad and Tobago because by far most of tge graduates in the country come from UWI and tge university is a regional organization with shareholder governments in several of the big islands. Secondly, UTT has made significant inroads in the short period of time it has been around. Its Process Engineering degree is internationally recognized by ICHEME in England. All the technicians on the Industrial estate under 30, where do you think they went to school? UTT and they are being employed by Fortune 500 companies like Nu-Cor's Trinidad company Nu-Iron. But as i said carry on. Just don't blabber conspiracies and expect me not to pull you up

N.B definition of a failed state:

a state whose political or economic system has become so weak that the government is no longer in control

Nothing on PT Lisas belong to Trinidad.......HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...that was a good one. Breads, companies on the estate have to pay tax big time and they also pay for the supply of gas. I would love to see the country where cats could come in and establish huge businesses for free. And TT also has investments on the estate like MHTL. And i agree with you that the gas to liquids fiasco should have resulted in somebody making a jail big time. Niqauan has revived the gas to liquids project.

Our currency is indeed overvalued. Estimates believe 21-50%. But so is China's, so is the pound in England and even the Rupiah in Indonesia. That is a non factor. If TT was to listen to economists and devalue the dollar to its real value, there would be widespread social unrest which is why when the monetary firms release their reports on overvalued currencies, nobody takes them on because devaluing come with significant social(and political) risks. Hoss TT currency was similarly overvalued even in the milk and honey days of 2003-2008 when the economy grew by 7 percent per year.

 
DAVE400 2017-12-28 08:07:00 

allyuh have nutten better to do?

 
sgtdjones 2017-12-28 09:45:02 

In reply to Jumpstart

Did you go to school, you like bravos have a comprehension problem.

Read an try to understand what I have noted above.

Look at the PM's in the region they all graduated from UWI, then look at the islands they govern. I will just mention CARICOM a failed entity.

Is the government T&T in control of crime?
Can it protect its citizens from 40 murders per month?
The citizens live behind barb wire cages.
Its citizens do not have water nor electricity 24/7?
It cannot run a simple ferry service to Tobago?
Show me where I said gas is free, it is sold at below
the hub market price in T&T.
All the methanol plants in T&T are owned by foreigners government had to sell Clico shares to a German company.

What I have posted are facts.You fail to answer simple questions?.

Soca bards support Gosein

Liverpool’s sentiments were echoed by the president of the Trinbago Unified Calypsonians Organisation (TUCO), Lutalo Masimba (Brother Resistance).

“I would not make any judgment on the calypso because we, at TUCO, do not tell calypsonians what to sing or what to write and with regard to competitions, we do not tell the judges what to select and what not to select but we have strict rules to our competition and once a song falls within the rules we consider it,” Masimba said.

“If we are to look at the content if Gosein’s song then we should look at all the content in all songs being played on the radio and that includes the barrage of foreign songs from pop to urban because sometimes I listen to it and tell myself what are we playing to our ears and in the ears of the children,” he said. Gosein’s latest song has triggered a heated online debate on what should pass for composition at the national level.

 
Jumpstart 2017-12-28 09:54:53 

In reply to sgtdjones
I give up.

 
runout 2017-12-28 12:20:39 

In reply to Jumpstart
Seems like Massive is being sanctioned.

he is calling for a boycott of Soca Monach...