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Not in Zimbabwe? He’d be better than Samuels...

In reply to Larr Pullo... and twice on Sundays.

... I would only play Samuels when we play India.

In reply to Larr Pullo

Was just thinking the same. He should be in the ODI squad!

In reply to Larr Pullo

Brown need to put Bim cricket ahead of WI

In reply to cricketmygame

What gives. One minute Brown is accused of playing to many Bajans, the next he is not playing enough. I guess it depends on the day or the weather.

In reply to NYCGURU

Chase made some runs today... sooooo!!

This is the first year Chase is doing well in regional One day cricket

Also in 8 ODIs ...chase is averaging 13 with the bat and 48 with the ball

Having said the above....I would like to see Chase in the WI ODI set up in the near future...if there is one for WI

In reply to Kay I think he is the highest run scorer in the competition

In reply to Larr Pullo

Paint made a ton as opposed to Chase's 81. Why not call for Paint to be in ZIM in place of the Icon?

Ok, now I get it. Chase is not an opener and couldn't be seen as occupying a place suitable for old twinkle toes.

In reply to Larr Pullo

Because he batted pooly in the ODI's.

He is home bully.

In reply to Narper

In reply to TanteMerle

Chase has been one of our better performers in test cricket innit? Do we have that kind of depth that we could say that he can't transform the performance into the 50 over format?

In reply to NYCGURU... no no no, he playing the wrong ones, suh we nuh need more, just the right ones. ODIs should be used to blood your A Teamers, that have performed up to standard. Ala BIG CORN! He too shud be in ZIM!

In reply to TanteMerle... and the others have batted well where?

This is precisely why this tournament was poorly scheduled. Should've been moved back to be completed before the WC qual. squad deadline.

Chase prior to this Super50, was doing shit in limited overs cricket.

But with his allround ability he'd be a valuable member now.

In reply to Andy99... I think we scheduled this before we knew we would be playing qualifiers ... no?

In reply to Andy99

If the WI qualify will changes be allowed going forward.

In reply to seaegg99...I should think so, as I am sure we do not have to submit our 30 names, this year or so early this year for 2019.

I thought that Chase batted well last year in the Super 50s. The main problem was that after Kraigg and Shai consumed most of the overs, he was relegated to swinging for the fences.

In reply to natty_forever

Ok boss got you. Sometimes its hard to figure out who are the right ones.

In reply to Baje

that is what made Pride won last year. The fact that Kraigg and Shai could bat out the entire 50 overs if they want to.

Brathwaite returning to form with Chase is a dangerous sign.

In reply to natty_forever

In reply to seaegg99

In reply to Andy99

In reply to natty_forever

Bro, check ur memory, let me be kind and dont cuss...

In reply to Baje

That’s correct...last season he sacrificed his hand for the cause at the end of innings. He’s always been the player who from youth days has been less heralded than Kraigg, Dowrich, Holder etc. He’s always had to come from behind the pack and given bits a pieces roles even though his talent is clear to see from primary school days.

Just like he transitioned Into a decent Test Crickete, he will be a staple in any future ODI team that Windies puts out.

In reply to mkcharles

Exactly. I can't see how they could have picked a team with these current players and leave him off of it.

In reply to Larr Pullo

Mentioned already in the thread so if you read it and can't understand why then you facking blind.
That simple.
But if you didn't read it, then let me post...

Chase got a run of 8 ODI games, he averaged 13 with a S/R of 64 with the bat and averaged 48 with an econ of 7 with the ball.

In List A cricket he has 1 ton and 6 fifties in his career with an average if 35. His 1 ton and 4 of his 6 fifties has come in this Super 50. So prior to this Super 50 he had played 22 List A matches with 0 tons and just 2 fifties to his name.

Simple.

In reply to Andy99

Has Chase been one of your top performers, WITH BOTH BAT AND BALL, in the test team or not?

In reply to Andy99

Has Chase been one of your top performers, WITH BOTH BAT AND BALL, in the test team or not?

In reply to Larr Pullo

Funny thing is he attacks spin unlike many of our current batsmen. Does not get bogged down and cause the scoring rate to decline. He plays spin well.

In reply to Larr Pullo

In reply to Andy99

And I guess a run of 8 is enough for him not to even make the squad!

In reply to Larr Pullo

In reply to Andy99

Both of you are right if there can be such a thing with apposing views.

What I do know is that with a career FC average of 40+ and a Test average of almost 40, he is one of the few who can actually bat. It’s because of this that his List A average will only improve and will no doubt end at 40 because that’s the level he’s at. Others will start big and they too will even out at a lesser score because that too is their level.

Picking teams also has to be about seeing ability. A sample size of 8 international matches should not discredit a man from being selected and 20 plus List A has to be put into conext if the man we are talking about has a track record of performing at every level from the time he was a boy of 10 years old in a very very limited talent pool.

In reply to mkcharles

You really saying I am right! Thanks for eloquently explaining my point to Andy99...

In reply to Larr Pullo

Lol... yes

In reply to mkcharles N Larr Pullo

Facking Monday morning quarterback.

Chase deserved his drop.

Plain and simple.

STFU.



De selectars stupid, but blameless on dis one.

In reply to TanteMerle

I don’t know you and you don’t know me.

I said before Chase payed an ODI that he had to play and I still maintain the he has to play despite 8 mediocre ODI matches. Then as now folks like you cuss up this board. I’m not interested in List A matches since 99% of these players are largely the same of nothing.

My thinking is very simple. There are players that have talent and they are players that don’t. More often than not talent eventually comes to the party.

Chase, SHope, Ambris, E. Lewis have overall records that endorses the point that when talent eventually turns up players easily take their games to the next level. In our limited talent pool these types of players have to be given every chance to be a success.

In reply to Larr Pullo

Chase should be there, but not in place of Samuels or Lewis. At least those two guys made 30s. It's one of the wutless younger batsmen he should replace.

In reply to Larr Pullo

Why are you criticizing the one of only two batsmen who put some score on the boards when you have at least 6 other failed batsmen to turn your wrath on.

Cornwall is having problems, running between the wickets.
Reifer, experienced it yesterday.

CHASE WOULD HAVE WON THE WARM UP MATCH AGAINST AFGHAN.

In reply to NYCGURU

Chase brings exactly the same “value” to a LO team as kraigg brathwaite does

In reply to imusic

Can someone explain doing well?
Chase had a good regional series, but like Tante, I'll wait to see more.
They are two youngsters missing, Darren Bravo and Ambris.
BTW, DD and his board has gutted both the ODI and T20 squads, which may result in being excluded from the WC
The next to qualify will be our T20 team.
This process started with H&H and continue under DD.
Our players is the team asset, the policies you put in place, result in losses your team is experiencing.

In reply to openning

Sure Bravo is a miss, his record says so.

I like Ambris but he’s only played the one or two ODIs. In a perfect world all three would and should be in the ODI setup.

I don’t know why people would seek to paint Chase and Kraig in the same mode as he is definitely a different type of player and would add value to a middle order and a team that need some more variation in its batting lineup.

In reply to mkcharles

Did you watch the games or you reading stats.
Stats are very misleading.
However, I watched some games.

I am not a cricket expert by any standard.
I do not hold any form of coaching certificate.
I did not play any formal form of youth cricket.
I must admit, I played with the top cricketers
but only in curry coat games
I played marble cricket
I played cricket in houses, class rooms
I threw balls in my bedroom and
imagine getting wickets in a game.
I played in backyards, in roads,
in car parks etc....

So please don't expect expert analysis.

However, I played league cricket in Bermuda.
I played with some of the best.

I know a half-volley, a full toss, etc..
I know abut placing balls in gaps etc
I know about running between wickets.

I watch Chase batted in a few games
Despite scoring 500 plus, he looks shitty.
He is not ODI standard.

I am a bajan and pro-Bajan first,
I support Wondies, second to my Ozzies.
I support Ozzies because of too much hearbreaks
from my Wondies team.

In reply to TanteMerle

If a run of 8 matches for Chase is the measuring stick to make this team, Carlos, Powell, Sammy, and Pollard should have never made this WI ODI team, because they have averages of approx 8.31 to 18.00 at eight matches.



It still boggles the mind that Carlos and Powell are on this qualifying team and not Chase.

What has Carlos Brathwaite done for this WI team since those four sixes? Zilch in ODI and t20i. Go check his stats in T20i and ODI,it leaves a lot to be desired.

In reply to TheTrail

Chase is one of the better batsmen of spin in the region. Uses his reach well. One of the few that keeps the scoring ticking over. We just into the six - four thing!

In reply to Larr Pullo

I'm just speaking about Chase.
I'm not advocating dropping anyone.

Just saying Chase looks like crap.

Based on the shite bowled to him,
a good batsman would have scored
at a rate of 100 plus and mo runs.

Too many body balls got him scoreless.
Too many bad balls not being punished.

ODI would not present at many bad balls.
If he can't score fat off dung heap,
How can he score off ODI bowling.

Let him stick to test.
Even there, he is weak to good pacers.
But, he can work on that issue.

In reply to TanteMerle

Good post. "In the land of the (waste indies) blind a one eye man is king."

In reply to TanteMerle

In reply to Logic

In reply to Courtesy

Stats don't lie.

Mohammed,Hetmyer,Powell, Carlos Brathwaite,Holder and Nurse all avg in the 20s and today they all failed to even make a 20.

A case can be made for a guy avg 40 in Test and FC cricket and just was the leading batsman in the Super 50 avg over 50 to replace guys in our ODI team averaging in their 20s

In reply to analyst-kid

So are you saying Courtney Browne erred on this one?...and that Chase should have been on the team?

In reply to Courtesy

Im saying the stats are saying besides the top four Gayle Lewis Hope and Samuels the rest of the batting is very weak.

Cornwall with a List A avg of 44 and Chase should have been considered.

In reply to analyst-kid

How much of an impact can Chase have at international ODI level if he cannot beat the shiite bowling at regional level?

For me any new entrant to the West Indies team should stand out at the regional level.

Enough of replacing mediocre with mediocre...and time to stop the musical chairs.

In reply to Courtesy

In reply to TheTrail

Chase never hit four sixes in a match let alone in four balls to win us a world cup. Shit for shit, I'll take my chances with Carlos.

In reply to Courtesy
That was an effing fluke - a wham bam thank you mam rush of blood to the noggin - he cannot even hit one in a warmup or regional match, lately.

Bowlers know him and where he likes it - they are not going to accommodate him ever again.

In reply to Courtesy

I really can't understand the logic here.

The best International Team pick separate
players for Test, ODI and T20,

Yet a mediocre Team shoud have the same
players in all formats.

Pick test men and let them develop
Pick ODI and let them, develop

Test:-
Chase, Shai, Braffit, Dowrich, Angel,
Daren Bravo yes Daren Bravo who bats too slow
for white ball.

ODI:-
Marlon till WC, , Miller, Jimbo (surprise:shock)


All Formats:-
Gayle, Lewis yes Lewis, Carlos Braffit,
Dre Russ, Dwayne Bravo if he wants it,
Hetty,

All White Ball:-
Mohammed

Players who should be there soonest:-

Hodge, Housein,Young A. Athanaze

I can go on forever

In reply to TanteMerle


While I agree with you (surprise, surprise) that the skills for white ball and red ball are very different and the teams should be different, clearly the talent pool is not deep enough

No one ever disputes who should play T-20. Where there is the confusion it seems, and where our results are the most dramatic, is in 50 over cricket.

Clearly you can't have 11 Kraigg's in a team and you will not bat 50 overs with 11 cow lickers either.

A kid like Hetty is talented, but he is in no way ready to play 3 formats. He is not even ready for Test cricket. However. he is one that should be developed playing 50 over cricket at the top of the order because of that talent.

Lewis on the other hand is one of the few who probably could play all 3. A fit Gayle could as could a fit Russell and someone like Ambris despite his recent performance in NZ in Test. Ramdin too if he wasn't such a prick. Roach most certainly if he could manage the work load but definitely Test and ODI. Lil Bravo the same two if he wasn't also a prick.

At the end it's about skill sets. Chase is a proper cricketer so Test and ODI should be no problem as would be for the likes of Lil Bravo, Bishoo, SHope. The same for a Cornwall (surprise surprise) and if he continues to improve his fitness then certainly T20 as well.

Carlos B is a T20 cricketer full stop. Ditto Pollard, Johnny Bravo, Smitty,
Sammy the whole lot. Could any of them bat for 20 overs or bowl you a full 10. They would win you T-20 every day of the week but there is a reason why our 50 over results have been poor for 10+ years...Samuels and Simmons white ball at best.

Outside of these the rest are what you get although there are a few young bucks like Paul, Athanaze who shape up well for their age.

As yes, Jason Holder should be in any of the 3 team squads. The problem is that by making him captain he plays the role sees fits as apposed to the role the team requires. He is and has always been a batting all-rounder but unfortunately he likes to bowl and as captain he will bowl. The Windies would get so much more if we let him be a player and make him bat first.

In reply to mkcharles

Thanks. Did not have the energy.

Plain and simple...none of u all, none, were calling for or even suggesting Chase should or can be part of the ODI set up prior to this Super50.

So tbh if u 'wanna' play all smart now and cuss selectors for making a mistake, bruh just STFU!

In reply to Andy99

Ditto.

And I clearly state that he should not play ODI.

He got lots to work on in his test game.

Shai should only play test,

Until he can up his rate in Dung heap 50ov.

Let me say again.

If a man can't score high rate in dung heap
How the hell can he score fast in ODI.

Drop his rass til he picks the rate up.

In reply to TanteMerle

Very well... I’ve watched and played for 40 years including playing against many of the greats from the wonder years in the 80s.

I too am no expert.

However, just the same way you can’t judge by pure stats, you don’t judge by how a players looks. In fact that’s is why we in the West Indies get it wrong so often. I could only imagine if a player like the current Aussie captain had grown up playing in the West Indies.

At the end of the day a batsman is to score consistent runs, a bowler take regular wickets and my wicketkeeper can excessively appeal, pick the bails or do whatever but he better hold on to the ball when it gets nicked if I’m captain or else he’ll have to play with someone else.

In reply to TanteMerle

So he same Shai Hope that dominated last years 50ov. Even scoring 100s in the semi and finals. Even scoring a century before he left. Should now be dropped!

In reply to seaegg99

I am afraid that the thinking of TanteMerle and co. is very much aligns to that of the selectors. They dont realise you that 50 over is closer to test cricket than it is to T20. Most of the skills needed are pretty much the same. Yes Kraigg Brathwaite wont cut it but I am not sure a Carlos B would either. For sure a guy like Williams has no right around the 50 over game and Rovman has not yet developed the batting technique to last more than a few overs either.

Chase is a fluent batsman - can bat a run a ball - who would be ideal in the middle overs. Yes you need big hitters at end of innings bit you still need to get to end of innings.

In reply to TanteMerle

Ai stop talking skunt! Chase could be the closest thing to Sarwan in terms of helping us to score in the middle overs, something which we've failed atfor the last few years.

In reply to Logic

The peeps don't realize that our problem with 50 over cricket is a 10+ year problem. Fundamentally we like boundary hitters but that is not batsmanship. These fellas simply get found out once you have to bat longer than 20 overs.

Take you pick from the much vaunted, Big Bravo, Simmons, Pollard, Ramdin, D. Smith, all wonderful T20 cricketers but whose overall records show glimpses of brilliance but largely mediocrity once the game moves past 20 overs. We have since tried the likes of Charles, Fletcher, Pooran, Walton, R.Powell but I'm afraid that the results have been and will be the same.

Of these big hitters the only one that has the look of a batsman for longer form cricket is Evin Lewis. As far as I'm concerned there is a SINGLE West Indies player who mastered all 3 formats and he is now physically and painfully past his expiration date.

We do need Sarwan and Chanderpaul types to bat out the 50 overs. However, it seems that two T20 titles and all of the hype surrounding this type of cricket has impacted not only the type of cricket we now play but also the psyche of the supporters.

If I had to pick three players to go to Zimbabwe on them turning pitches and replace Mohammed, Powell and Williams I would go for the three Cs just to qualify: Chase Chanderpaul and Cornwall.

Everyone could now cuss me.

Actually had Cottrell not broken down would UAE had made as much as 83?

In reply to mkcharles

Saw Evan Lewis in U19 cricket batting in the Park and thought back then that him and KB was destined to be the opening bats for WI at some point. His game could translate to any format even then. He didn't get bogged down. I remember always telling the "Musicman" that
Lewis should be one they stay on because the talent was there.

Most tend to forget that the middle game in 50 overs plays such a huge part. Ball not as hard and you need to work the ball around as the defense will not be limited anymore. You really need thinking batsmen to do this. Like mentioned, Sarwan did it really well. Chase and Mccarthy (JA) (spelling) also does it well. Just put away bad balls but milk and frustrate the bowlers so at the end you are well placed with wickets still in hand to strike out at the end.

These fellas get to the crease and forget the game of cricket. Funny thing is that this seems to have become a generational thing. For too many years now we have lacked cricketers that understand the game. The teams that play us all understand this now so the physical talent gap we had is countered by the lack of mental aptitude we display. They just wait us out and allow us to self destruct.

Barbados coach says Chase can bat better than half of the current ODI team

In reply to analyst-kid

You really have the audacity to cite a man
who say,