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Hope hopes to break Lara’s 400

In reply to runout

he have to bat for five days and fifteen sessions.

In reply to runout

Always good to aim high.

In reply to oldcar

Great.. That is excellent. Finally a player with some ambition. But he should also note that Brian lara's first goal for the 1994 series was to score two hundreds for the series. But if he can increase his strike rate, he could probably do it. He has the discipline and unlike marlon samuels(the last person who wated 400 n.o), he has sound technique. Just needs to bat for 5 sessions. A double would be helpful. Glad he mentioned his favorite cricket moment growing up as the 153* in 1999.

he need to get past 333 first

first he should try making that in a series, then in two innings in a match!

In reply to Jumpstart

Strike rates is not crucial in tests. Ent? Lara made 400 in a test match not odi, and over multiple days and was criticised by some for batting too long

I think that is highy ambitious...and I hope for Hope, and for the sake of WI cricket and the world over, that he does it.

Remember, before you do it, you have to think it. Shai's head is in the right place. Not too many players will have those lofty goals, and then make it known.

Don't say I didn't tell you!!!

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

Does dat mean dat Shai may soon be captain?

Strike rate is important as it determines how long the inning is going to last and how much mental and physical conditioning is required

In reply to Maispwi

Important but not crucial in tests.

I don't know whether or not Shai said it or means it or what's in store for him in future.

I simply commented on SR

I think these guys have the wrong priorities. If I were a West Indian batsman, my ambition would be to have a long and successful test career with the West Indies team being the best in the world. He is not even thinking about scoring 5,000 or 10,000 runs or averaging 45 or hitting 20 test centuries or anything like that. He wants to score 401 in a drawn test match!!!!

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

My comment about captaincy is dat had Lara not been captain he most likely wudn have had the freedom to bat as long as he pleased.

Doh underestimate the physical and mental conditioning required to score 300 runs. Only 26 batsmen have scored 300+ runs and 8 more than 350

In reply to Maispwi

Both points taken

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

And ah forgot to mention Chrissy's white fowl sacrifice

In reply to Maispwi
Oh scrap...you have a legit point there bro!

In reply to Dukes

Doc the guy was asked a series of questions, it was rapid fire questions.
It is a different context, as to someone just having an interview.
See it here;
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In reply to openning

Thanks. This makes sense

In reply to Jumpstart

he was 5 yo

In reply to openning

Thank, you better than the Kid

He will have to find a few batsmen to stay with him to reach 400...he can't bat alone

To me Hope is an avg cricketer and he should be thinking how can he improve his game and not about going down in the record books. The only odi team he can get selected in is Wi cz I can't see him with a strike rate of 60 breaking into any other international team and batting at 3

In reply to timeless99

I disagree.Hope is not an average cricketer.anybody who scores a century in each innings in a test match in England cannot be so classified.
My problem is the priority should be team success rather than individual success.Hopefully, Lara would be prouder of his 153* in a winning effort rather than his 400*.

In reply to Dukes

Hope's answer must be viewed in the context of the question asked

In reply to Dukes

better you than. me, wanted to post something similar but I was afraid of being called racist!

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
I have been unable to access the Q & A with Hope.

In reply to Dukes

Scroll down the cricinfo site to Made in 1993, Shai Hope

Question, What is your standout memory of cricket in the 90s?
Lara 153

Shai Hope, in my estimation, is the best WI batsman currently. And that he is aspiring to the greatest heights is admirable. he can only get better as he is quite young in his career.

This tells me that he wants to bat long...that translates into high run scoring. Meaning that if a few other guys stick with him then WI average scores will be much higer, our bowlers will get much deserved rest between innings so that their performance can increase, and with that our winning percentage will increase.

So I see it...and I wish him all the very best!!!

In reply to Dukes

Not much different than Tino Best’s reported priority to bowl as fast as possible

Just listened to Shai Hope and I apologize to him and his supporters for my comment about misplaced priorities.

In reply to Dukes

Thanks and could you ask icry to apologize too. Lol

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

In reply to openning

Ol timers seh in da knock Lara edge Mcgrath bigly to keeper Healy...dem seh Lara nevah walk

Aussie rules eh

say it aint so playa...

In reply to runout

This youngster is a good player. If they allow him to focus on his batting and not give him wicket keeping responsibilities in ODI’s he can become a great player.
Cricket is about confidence, and when he makes mistakes behind the stumps his confidence in his cricket is affected. He and Chase can be a good middle order if given the confidence to play their game.

In reply to runout

This youngster is a good player. If they allow him to focus on his batting and not give him wicket keeping responsibilities in ODI’s he can become a great player.
Cricket is about confidence, and when he makes mistakes behind the stumps his confidence in his cricket is affected. He and Chase can be a good middle order if given the confidence to play their game.

In reply to runout

This youngster is a good player. If they allow him to focus on his batting and not give him wicket keeping responsibilities in ODI’s he can become a great player.
Cricket is about confidence, and when he makes mistakes behind the stumps his confidence in his cricket is affected. He and Chase can be a good middle order if given the confidence to play their game.

In reply to Brumar74

Yes cricket is about confidence. Agreed.

Kind of hexplain Bishoo’s Underdevelopment, if you know what I mean.

In reply to Courtesy

Man. That name is like sugar for you.

Yeah, allyuh talk nah!

Twas written Shai chosen one fi fetch holy grail 400 outta land of tit fi return to true home Mecca...Gwaan wid u bad self Hopester..

In reply to che

The way I see it, it will be one heck of an accomplishment if and when he does it.

The game has changed. The fielding is now a notch higher. There is drs to contend with.

In reply to runout

win world cup

break records

cetera

not bad ...ambitious lot

In reply to che

???

I think Kohli is the only player at present who can challenge Lara's 400 in Tests - he has 6 doubles already and given the right conditions (flat subcontinental track), match situation, and his hunger for big hundreds, I wouldn't put it past him to carry on to 400+. Failing this, his next goal should be to break Bradman's record for double tons (12).

Rohit seems the one most likely to breach 300 in ODIs, given his 3 double centuries and highest score of 264, to date. Another openers with an ability to compile big hundred is Jason Roy, but is rather hit and miss.

Gayle or McCullum should've been the first to 200 in T20s, but Evin Lewis will have to take over in that regard as he bats in the same manner as Gayle, and when in 6-hitting mode, can be unstoppable. Rohit and de Villiers are also potential contenders for this record, if they can get the majority of the strike and open.

In reply to Seechy

Bro, the way I see it Kholi will not be the one. He is too focused on winning. I believe Rohit, hit or miss, or Warner perhaps AB are the only ones I reckon.

In reply to runout

Warner is a contender for sure with his high strike rate, and is an opening batsman capable of scoring big runs a la Gayle, Hayden, Sehwag.

Rohit bats too low in the order and hasn't yet cemented his place in the Test 1st XI, so he is an unlikely candidate for now.

AB is an intersting call - he looks hungry for runs on his comeback to Test Cricket. His T20 skills gives him the opportunity to score quickly. A big score is definitely on the horizon for him but he may not have the concentration powers to breach 400. Though, we will see how the rest of his Test career pans out - he is probably SA's greatest batsman after Kallis.

I would put Ross Taylor in the same category as AB. Has the potential for at least a triple, but given the less established batsmen following him, may not get the opportunity for 400.

Someone like an Azhar Ali opening the batting (or an Alistair Cook who tends to double up when set) on a flat, docile track, against a weak attack with no pressure of the match situation, may provide a scenario where 400 could be challenged. However, looking into the future of Test cricket with the advent of day/night and 4-day matches, and generally weaker batting line-ups and a dearth of Test class batsmen, breaking Lara's 400 record would seem increasingly unlikely.

The West Indies currently have no batsmen capable of compiling 300, let alone 400 (Samuels being the last who came close to this). Scoring hundreds and then converting them to double hundreds should be the priority for the likes of Brathwaite, Hope, and Chase. This was something that the likes of Gayle, Lara, Sarwan, Chanderpaul, and Bravo did at least once or twice in their careers. That's one of the differences between the two generations.

In reply to Seechy

Agreed. Fair assessment. The reason I included Rohit is his ability to strike the ball cleanly and consistently. So even if he comes in at 5, he has the keeper in Saha, and Ashwin...and still 4 more players to come. India's tail is known fro wagging.

Azhar is not as aggressive...hasn't demonstrated the hunger for big scores.

Cook is too slow.

WI don't have any contenders right now...maybe Shai can change all of that!

In reply to timeless99

ALSO ANYONE who is the fourth or fifth fastest West Indian to 1000 ODI runs behind Greenidge, Richards, Lara and Sarwan.

FASTEST TO 1000 ODI RUNS WEST INDIANS TOP TEN

VIV RICHARDS
21 ODIs (highest in the World)

GORDON GREENIDGE
23 ODIs ( ranked 6th in the World)

RAMNERESH SARWAN
27 ODIs

SHAI HOPE
30 ODIs

BRAIN LARA
32 ODIs

LENDL SIMMONS
33 ODIs

DESMOND HAYNES
34 ODIs

STUART WILLIAMS
34 ODIs

JOHNSON CHARLES
34 ODIs

SHIV CHANDERPAUL
35 ODIs

Shai Hope has made this achievement in front Lara, Warner, Hayden, Kallis,Inzaman al Haq,Dravid, Hussey,Tendulkar,Root, A B De Villiers,Guptil,Ponting, Chanderpaul.....HE CANT BE AVERAGE

In reply to analyst-kid

he could go for the 400 then?

they have quite a number of ordinary ones that got there before Lara

In reply to doosra

I don't know about this 400...but I know he is not average.

In reply to analyst-kid

Good thing Dravid, Lara, Tendulkar and co never play ODI’s against Papua New Guinea, Nepal, UAE, Scotland et al

In reply to imusic
Shai has the goods...he just needs Hety to step up, and the middle order, Chase and company, to back him.

The team needs to rally kick on. WI should throw more money into test cricket development.

In reply to runout

I not disputing that he has the goods.

I querying analyst kid’s “analysis” that hope got to 1000 ODI’s faster than other players and questioning his rationale for saying he’s not average solely based on the stat

In reply to imusic

The only man to score a century in both innings of a test match at Headingley...and it was not against Papua New Papua ...does that count for anything?

In reply to Courtesy

Brathwaite was just 5 runs shy of being the first man to score twin centuries in a Test match at Headingly...does that make him as special as Hope? I don't see people hyping him up they way they do for Hope.

In reply to imusic


They all scored runs against the past pond fishes of yesterday-Zim, Bangla and Sri lanka, as well as Ireland.

In reply to Courtesy

And all along I thought analyst kid’s post was referring to ODI perrformance

My bad

In reply to imusic

imusic says:

I have only provided another tidbit to refute the statement above that he is average.

You can end the argument by simply stating succinctly that Shai's average batsmanship is only limited to ODIs.

In reply to Courtesy

Not quite. Example....his T20 performances, or lack thereof

But, you seem determined. To do what, I really don’t know

In reply to imusic

OK...do you agree that (amended) Shai's average batsmanship is only limited to ODIs and T20s?

In reply to imusic

Before the tournament Hope was around 750 runs...he achieved his target after playing 7- 8 more games albeit PNG,UAE,Netherlands,Ireland,Afghan,Scotland and Zimbabwe

You saying he couldn't achieve this 250 in two series vs SA and Aus? He did it before against Pak and Eng.

In reply to analyst-kid

don't go there

Shai will post some good numbers before his career is over. He has the goods.

In reply to doosra

In reply to Courtesy

Would you say that shai hope is about the same as kraigg brathwaite as a batsman?

In reply to imusic



Nice try...let's focus on the contentious matter which has developed and that is:

imusic

I have introduced a caveat to the statement above and you are entitled to argue otherwise.

If you don't have anything further to add, may I suggest that you keep quiet and allow this matter to die a natural death.

I have nothing further to add to my statement.

In reply to Courtesy

You know what was coming eh?

He felt left out; therefore, do not encourage him...

In reply to TheTrail

Tangential stuff from imusic eenit?

Shai got some class, I support him, somebody got to break the record after all didn't they records are made to be broken?

In reply to Courtesy

I am just saying...

Listen? I would rather see Shai concentrate on breaking Everton Weekes record with six (6) consecutive test centuries...now that would be consistency.

I think Shai, Chase, K Brathwaite, Hetmeyer, Lewis, and Ambris from the WI team are capable of doing it.

Remember that Shai has demonstrated his appetite for runs. If he can remain focused on the job at hand it will do wonders for WI

In reply to imusic

My argument about Hope's reaching 1000 ODI runs was not to argue solely he was not average...this was IN ADDITION to his achievements in Test cricket.

Seems like this board is obsessed with the Aussies.

I feel like the posters rubbing sand paper on the site

Finally they have a reason to vent their rightful indignity.

But why such a chorus?

Yeah, allyuh talk nah!!!