IMHO, the widespread condemnation of Steve Smith and the Aussies is a ridiculous overreaction. Every team bends the rules to get an advantage. I can make a list of all the rule-bending that happen in every cricket match -- from the backyard to curry-goat to Test cricket -- without any fuss.
I don't quite understand the hullabaloo. Whatever.
_ryan
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What a ridiculous overreaction
2018-03-29 14:09:47
2018-03-29 14:14:40
One parallel can be found in American gridiron.
Ray Rice would *never* have taken such a heady fall from grace if his moment (and it was a horrible moment) wasn't captured on film and broadcast across the globe.
The ICC had a penalty in place (whether it's appropriate or not, that's another question) for tampering, and applied it.
CA on the other hand, has to deal with the public backlash, and partly because of it, had to apply penalties of a larger scope.
Australia as a high-profile cricket nation simply had to take those steps. If this was players from a mid-level Associate, it wouldn't be on BBC Sport's home page for example.
2018-03-29 14:18:02
In reply to Tryangle
They violated their own code of conduct. They knew what sanctions flowed from that.
The punishment is entirely proportional as per their own code of conduct. I don't understand the hullabaloo but whatever.
2018-03-29 14:18:06
None of that addresses the main point that tampering with the ball is a long accepted norm in cricket.
Hell, I once saw an umpire bouncing a ball on concrete during a Test match. Anyone remember this?
_ryan
2018-03-29 14:19:20
In reply to Admin
Hell, I once saw an umpire bouncing a ball on concrete during a Test match. Anyone remember this?
In NZ....against WI...and WI collapsed after this
2018-03-29 14:20:38
In reply to Admin
None of that addresses the main point that tampering with the ball is a long accepted norm in cricket.
The tampering of the ball is only about a third of the issue. They lied to the umpires, lied to their coach, and lied to the public at the press conference.
Look at the reasons given for the suspensions - not one reference to ball tampering.
2018-03-29 14:20:38
In reply to Narper
Correct. The men literally stood outside the pavilion and bounced the ball nonstop into concrete to alter the condition. No one batted an eye (except me and Pullo, IIRC).
_ryan
2018-03-29 14:24:05
In reply to Admin
The basis for these charges includes the following:
Warner developed the plan to alter the condition of the ball, instructed Bancroft in how to do it including making a demonstration of technique with sandpaper, and the misled the umpires by helping to conceal the plan.
Smith had prior knowledge of the plan and did not stop it, directed the plan's concealment on the field once it became apparent that the team had been caught out on the big screen, and then made "misleading" public comments about the "nature, extent and participants" in the plan
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Warner developed the plan to alter the condition of the ball, instructed Bancroft in how to do it including making a demonstration of technique with sandpaper, and the misled the umpires by helping to conceal the plan.
Smith had prior knowledge of the plan and did not stop it, directed the plan's concealment on the field once it became apparent that the team had been caught out on the big screen, and then made "misleading" public comments about the "nature, extent and participants" in the plan
Bancroft had knowledge of the plan, took instruction as to its carrying out and then did so, before seeking to conceal the evidence and then to mislead the umpires as to what had taken place, and then joined Smith in making misleading public comments about what he had done.
Smith, Bancroft, Mountain Midget banned for 12 months.
2018-03-29 14:27:39
In reply to SnoopDog
I'm aware of all this. Still think it's a non-issue.
_ryan
2018-03-29 14:28:50
In reply to Admin
Still think it's a non-issue.
Not to Cricket Australia. Presumably they have a code of conduct for a reason.
2018-03-29 14:33:29
In reply to Admin
You tell that to the Ben Johnson and others, who got caught.
Russell was suspended for a year, for failing to make himself available for testing, I for one believe this penalty is a slap on the wrist.
2018-03-29 14:34:34
In reply to Admin
The only reason is "Sponsorship"....
2018-03-29 14:52:35
In reply to Admin
What a ridiculous overreaction
It might be a ridiculous overreaction to the action of "attempted ball tampering" but it's not a overreaction to "code of conduct" in place by CA as Snoop explained to you.
These guys (Smith & Warner) are held to a MUCH higher standard. They are leaders. They are in top positions above 90% of the cricketing world. They are being compensated handsomely. Due to being PUBLIC figures, they are ROLE MODELS to youngsters striving to be like them.
YOU CANNOT LET THEM GET AWAY WITH IT. IF THEY DO, THEY WILL FEEL THEY ARE ABOVE THE "LAW & ORDER" THEY NEED TO ABIDE BY.
One thing leads to a next and you can't have a slap on the wrist or situation like this will worsen over time and evolve into other disreputable actions of the game by players on both sides.
2018-03-29 15:50:17
In reply to Admin
It is probably a non-issue for you because cheating in sports is so widespread you have grown accustomed to it. The school of thought is that if everybody is cheating and getting away with it then I will do it too. Cheating has been going on as long as sports or cricket in this case, has existed. The punishment handed out by CA is a short breather before it happens again.
The public has a role to play in all of this. They can demand the kind of conduct they want to see in their players.
One thing for sure, CA can’t afford any more backlash from the public. Cheating diminishes your achievements.
2018-03-29 15:56:56
In reply to XFactor... yes, as they been doing this long time now, especially during their winning run.
TM Romanticks aka Sheik.
2018-03-29 15:57:35
The "thugs" in the Aussie team were getting out of hand with rude, crude and aggressive behaviors.
Then the contract dispute.
Then it looks like a conspiracy involving the whole team.
Then the PM got involved. Elections coming up?
Plus
2018-03-29 16:15:28
In reply to Admin
Agree.... obviously punishment was needed but it’s over the top.... a bit of perspective and context is needed.... some of the things that have been said on social media are very disappointing... hate filled and gloating vengeance ..bloodlust is an ugly trait.
2018-03-29 16:17:59
In reply to Admin
Are you West Indian by chance???
Only West Indians let shit slide into Bolivion. It's this same cavalier attitude by players and management alike that has our cricket where it belong! 
2018-03-29 16:20:05
In reply to StumpCam
Word!!!!!
2018-03-29 16:20:33
In reply to Admin
It became an issue because of what led up to it. During the series, these guys were all about about fairness and the spirt of the game, yet everyone around knew that they always pushed the line. They conceded that they planned to goad Rabada to overact so that he would get suspended. So when they were caught cheating, the cricket world reacted so CA was basically forced to come down hard.
2018-03-29 16:24:20
In reply to Admin
A week ago it would have been unbelievable that Australia would seek to model themselves on their little brother across the Tasman, engaged as they were in a bitter series with South Africa.
But now, with the reset button forcibly pushed, Lehmann wants to follow the example of New Zealand.
The Black Caps are the nice guys of world cricket. Under the captaincy of Brendon McCullum, there was even a no-sledging policy introduced.
There will be no need for Australia to ask for the stump microphones to be turned down now.
"The thing for me would be if we take a leaf out of someone like, say, New Zealand's book, the way they play and respect the opposition," said Lehmann, who was cleared of any involvement in the Cape Town plot.
"We do respect the opposition but we push the boundaries on the ground. So we've got to make sure we're respecting the game, its traditions, and understanding [how] the game holds itself around the world.
But now, with the reset button forcibly pushed, Lehmann wants to follow the example of New Zealand.
The Black Caps are the nice guys of world cricket. Under the captaincy of Brendon McCullum, there was even a no-sledging policy introduced.
There will be no need for Australia to ask for the stump microphones to be turned down now.
"The thing for me would be if we take a leaf out of someone like, say, New Zealand's book, the way they play and respect the opposition," said Lehmann, who was cleared of any involvement in the Cape Town plot.
"We do respect the opposition but we push the boundaries on the ground. So we've got to make sure we're respecting the game, its traditions, and understanding [how] the game holds itself around the world.
The above is why .
2018-03-29 19:24:17
In reply to Admin
Correct. The men literally stood outside the pavilion and bounced the ball nonstop into concrete to alter the condition. No one batted an eye (except me and Pullo, IIRC).
Yeah i mentioned this. "official" ball tampering. I wrote the ICC umpiring council and asked them for their take and they replied that they didn't "see" the incident so they couldn't comment on it....
2018-03-29 19:32:36
Windies bowlers also engage in ball tampering. They bowl nuff 4 and 6 balls, altering the condition of de ball. 
2018-03-29 20:12:27
In reply to culpepperboy
It's funny you say that. I recall one of the commies saying during the second or third Test that the ball stopped reversing for the Aussies after AB started to massacre the ball
2018-03-29 20:17:39
When it was a non-issue when Colin Croft ran into Fred Goodall,it should have been a non-issue now..alas! Times have changed..
2018-03-29 20:45:56
In reply to Admin
You do realize this one year ban is from CA, right?
2018-03-29 21:05:45
sports need integrity ,when you pay to watch you need to believe that are following peoples best effort.If that belief is taken away we can let movie producers come up with perfect scripts.
2018-03-29 21:31:21
Yep after all they were just trying to win a cricket game. A warning would have been good enough, after all they were probably victims.
2018-03-29 23:30:00
In reply to Khaga
When it was a non-issue when Colin Croft ran into Fred Goodall,it should have been a non-issue now..alas! Times have changed..
Accidents do happen.
Just like when em hindians got hit at Sabina and raised the white flag. It was dat darn pitch.
2018-03-30 01:17:04
In reply to Admin
I once saw an umpire bouncing a ball on concrete during a Test match. Anyone remember this?
Themen literally stood outside the pavilion and bounced the ball nonstop into concrete to alter the condition.
Was it the Ump, or the team? Your two statements confused me.
And if the Ump, who was it? Makes no sense unless he was from NZ.
2018-03-30 04:21:07
In reply to Verstehen
It was David Harper...that big dummy. After that the ball started to swing around corners.
Gayle had hit the previous ball on top of a stand...of Vettori, and when one of the groundstaff was going to retrieve it Vettori signaled to him not to.
2018-03-30 04:42:44
In reply to Larr Pullo
David or Darly Harper?
But dear god. An umpire bouncing the ball off cement? I still find that hard to believe man.
Incidentally Daryl Harper is the guy that the Indians complained against, ironically in a series against WI. He retired shortly after.
Also incidentally he seems to be the guy in the news recently for warning about Smith and Warner- Linky
Back on the subject, I find it incredible that an Umpire bounced a ball repeatedly off cement in an international game, this was on video, and the cricketing world did not explode.
2018-03-30 05:28:24
In reply to Verstehen
Correct might have been Darryl. I'll have to go look up the game. It was live on Camera. Shiv was captain at the time, and i'm not sure if he was aware of the potential havoc such a ball could create because he came down to where the umpire was right before they restarted play and said something.
I actually sent an email to the ICC about it, and they replied that they hadn't seen the incident so they couldn't comment.
This was the game...
Gayle and Ganga had a big partnership and were taking the WI closer and closer to the target when the ball was changed and the WI collapsed.
2018-03-30 06:46:51
In reply to Admin
Every team bends the rules
Are you condoning cheating?
2018-03-30 07:49:49
In reply to Larr Pullo
So it could be that they were simply trying to get the replacement ball closer to the state and condition of the lost (previous) ball?
That is completely different from artificiality changing the condition of the same match ball mid-game.
And nothing ridiculous about the reaction they've been getting....fully deserved!
Having said that, did feel a wee bit sorry for Smithie yesterday!
2018-03-30 09:02:04
In reply to NineMiles
No, the ball that Gayle hit on top the roof wasn't swinging. NZ wanted the ball changed to get a ball that would swing. Every who has played cricket knows you can get the ball to do unpredictable things by scratching and banging it around on concrete.
2018-03-30 09:26:05
In reply to Larr Pullo
I remember the game. Heart breaking game for me. Gayle was doing serious damage and launched Daniel outta the ground I think. NZ was not getting the swing they had hoped for hen after the ball change, so serious swing and WI collapsed. I couldn't believe what I was seeing.
My old man didn't watch the rest of the series after that.
2018-03-30 13:53:20
In reply to Larr Pullo
Yes Larr, I know scratching and banging the ball on the ground changes the composition of it and can lead to the ball swing/reverse swing. That is not what I am talking about tho.
You said the original ball was lost/couldn't be retrieved and a replacement ball had to be used. The umpires should replace the ball with one that has comparable wear and tear to the previous ball. I believe in this instance, the umpire couldn't find one that was comparable in usage and only had relatively newer balls so they tried to rough it up in order to make it similar to the previous ball.
I agree it seemed unfair to WI as the Kiwis got the advantage and skittled out the WI batsman, however the umpire did nothing wrong. I have seen this done quite a few times actually, even in international matches played in the Caribbean!
Now answer me this: You saw this taking place and so did millions around the globe. Why didn't the WI players and officials protest if they thought the umpire had done something wrong??
2018-03-30 14:13:24
In reply to NineMiles
I have seen this done quite a few times actually, even in international matches played in the Caribbean!
Have seen it many times when they try to beat down a newish ball to be equivalent in wear and tear as the ball being replaced.
Usual and customary practice.
2018-03-30 14:14:34
In reply to NineMiles
That sounds like the right explanation.
2018-03-30 15:42:57
In reply to Admin
They cost CA like 100 million dollars
2018-03-30 15:57:17
In reply to NineMiles
Now answer me this: You saw this taking place and so did millions around the globe. Why didn't the WI players and officials protest if they thought the umpire had done something wrong??
This was during the Shiv captaincy. He did come down and speak to the umpires after a fairly long period of them working on the ball had elapsed. It seems like someone prompted him to come down to speak to the umpires. However, they still put the ball into play.
I do understand the intent of what they were trying to do, but if I was a captain of a team trying to win a game, I would have not allowed that ball to be put into play, because the rule doesn't say that a replacement ball has to be the exact same condition, just close. Generally they have replacement balls with the approximate amount of overs used to replaced lost or damaged balls that were in play.
BTW, the ball was retrievable, Vettori signaled to the ground staff not to get it back because Bond and the other pacers were not getting any movement from the ball. Someone said he let Gayle hit him on the roof of the stand just so they could have the ball changed.
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