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Remember when I questioned Avennati's motives?
When I said why is it that this man is in Court then immediately on TV divulging information to cases that should be privilege?

I was shot down as a rabble rouser!

Apparently the Court sees it the same way!

And just like my premise that he is motivated by the same forces motivating his opponents, am proven right!

In reply to Ayenmol

Before I engage you further, please state the legal privilege to which you refer and Identify what Avenatti disclosed that should’ve been subject to that privilege. Think carefully before answering my question, and perhaps do some research as well.

In reply to Walco

Am not much into the legal as the ethical....the mere fact a judge in a Court of Law posed the question speaks to its validity.

The fact that he chose tv over court made mine.

In reply to Walco

I think Avenatti is going to continue the make TV appearances and turn the matter over to another lawyer and still have input.

What do you think? You're the expert.

In reply to black

Why shouldn’t he – isn’t Trump and his Lawyer, Giuliani all over twitter and TV making their case, so why should Avenatti concede the public domain to them?

This thread exposes why the USA and indeed the world is in such turmoil. Very few people use their GOD GIVEN BRAIN to do any deductive reasoning and application of logic to any situation. Instead, they have pre-conceived biases and find articles which bolster their worldview and bingo.

INTELLECTUAL PIGMIES!!!!!!!!

In reply to Dukes

Whoaaaa. He comes in with a splash!

How about you actually tell us what this is about?

In reply to Dukes

How different is it to find articles that back your opinions than being lectured to by Profs with pre-conceived biases?

In reply to nitro

I don't even know what dukes trying to say, apparently neither do you.

I think it's just one of those power trips, am better than you phlebs kind of deal!

In reply to Ayenmol

how are you proven right?

In reply to conman

I guess you would have had to see my original post.

The point was that this man is not looking for truth he is looking to line he pockets and willing to break any and all protocols to do so like the very people he after.

All these people are bent.

In reply to Ayenmol

So has he been lying?

In reply to conman

Not the point I was making, but if it is a case for court why is it being litigated I public?

In reply to Ayenmol
So do you agree his 15 mins are up

In reply to Ayenmol

You get that the person on trial is the president of the country, right?

In reply to WI_cricfan

Meh, does not really bother me either way. It's those who praise him like he is doing some sort of Public service.
These people all deserve each other.
No side is clean!

In reply to Ayenmol

1. There is some controversy as to whether a sitting President of the USA can be indicted.

2.Michael Avenatti is not currently a practising lawyer in the Southern District of New York.

3. Rudolph Guiiani is currently on a PR campaign which has nothing to do with the LAW.

Having understood the above 3 points and their consequences do you still need me to spoon feed you as to why Avenatti is doing what he is doing?

Remember Avenatti graduated at the top of his class and has an award named after him for ADVOCACY IN THE LAW AT HIS LAW SCHOOL.

Lemme make another point. Guilani and Trump have been saying things in the press and twitter which seek to undermine the legitimacy of the Mueller investigation and have been successful because Mueller is constrained from responding to their lies and deceptive statements along with outright lies.
Avenatti currently has no such constraints.

In reply to conman

Is he on trial?

And so what?

This is all based on the premise that this man slept with a prostitute and paid her off and now she wants freedom to make more money from it.

Avennatti is acting like he is responsible for the Mueller investigation, all he is doing is divulging info he is getting from disclosures in court that the fib and special counsel are investigating.

He and his client is and always has been an afterthought!

Some people just like the gutter drama!

In reply to Dukes

You have time

In reply to Dukes

How do those things take away from my point?

You all love it because it is a gutter fight with someone you don't like, but had this been against someone you liked you'd be livid.

Also, you think Guilliani is successful because he is convincing or because the people he is talking to are already convinced?

In reply to Ayenmol

See now i think you're being disingenuous

The president is involved, a president that the intelligence community believes is compromised by a foreign entity and has a cohort of followers trying to lie to the media and public about the current situation. This is not "So what?"

People have already died b/c of this man, avennatti for all his faults makes trump and his cohorts fear because he tells the truth in face of their lies,

fascism is on the rise around the globe and even in the US, this is not time to act as if everything is normal

In reply to Runs

I deh pon vacation in Jamaica!!!!! LOL

In reply to Ayenmol

Guilani is talking garbage and he knows it. That is why he can not go on stations with sensible people and spout the nonsense and word-salad that he trumpets on Fox. He went on CNN and Chris Cuomo played his statements from 1998 and he started screaming that he was being unfair.
Just because 40% of the American people belong to the tribe of Trump and would believe absolutely everything he says and just because Trump rightly said that he could shoot somebody on 5th avenue and they would still support him DOES NOT MEAN that I would bow down to that IGNORANCE. The fact that you subscribe to that nonsense is a sad reflection on you. Remember Hitler won a free and fair election in Germany back in the day!!!!!!

In reply to conman

Dude, I think my position here is well stated.

At the end of the day Mueller's investigation is going to be the determining factor!
The people who placed this man in office were well aware that he's a scoundrel! The Senate is well aware the man is a scoundrel! The masses are well aware the man is a scoundrel!

They placed him in office, they keeping him in office and they intend to double down again!

Don't you get it?

This is normal! It's just being played out publicly because Trump can't keep anything tied up. How is it that the Senate who have all this info is keeping it zipped up?

Par for the course sir, par for the course.

Why do you think the Republican Party were so United in opposition to him initially but now are mum? Why do you think he is so emboldened?

Because that same garbage happens to them All! They just have more effective Cohens!

In reply to Ayenmol

I wonder how anyone would be already be convinced when the case has not yet been tried in court ----- you don’t think self-serving tweets and TV chats could contribute to that? NOOO!!!! After all, only proper in-court decorum matter – right?

Some in here allowing their hate for Trump blind them from the obvious

In reply to birdseye

Dude. The Senate can already act, and if the American people wanted to put pressure on them, they would!

My point then and my point now is the same...They are all corrupt, power seeking money grubbers!
Anyone who jumps on either side without accepting this truth is as bias as the other side!

So then why are you trying to convince me that Avennati is a knight in shinning armour and Trump is guilty?

Why not allow the experts who are following the law to do their job?

In reply to Ayenmol

Muller could come out with a statement saying that trump is a russian operative tasked with undermining the US, and it wont matter if congress doesnt do anything, it already looks like the house is very pro trump and action from them is unlikely

trump and his cohorts are really trying sway the public to them with lies, Avenatti (if he is trying to or not) is a counter. Hes reminding the public that the president did wrong

so u have a situation where the branch needing to impeach will most likely not impeach, the only way to fix that is to replace the branch with members willing to do their job, this gets much much harder if the mechanism to replace(voting) is tainted which is what the president and his minions are trying to do by lying to the public

avenatti and many other are there to counter this strategy by the ever so fascist president by

In reply to Dukes

Nice, enjoy

In reply to conman

Boom! And no one is going to care! The only ones who can do anything is the Courts. Which is why Mueller is doing his grandest to conduct a full investigation that will stand up in Court!

Which is why Avennatti is useless!

Which is why Trump wants to end it before the Law is bound by overwhelming evidence!

Even if he is not indictable now it can come back to bite him later if clear laws are broken...the impeachment just takes him out of office!

He doh care as much as that's the lesser of two evils!

In reply to Ayenmol

Avenatti is far from useless.

Even if is is found to be telling lies (which we already know he is not) his actions and statements are out there in the marketplace of public opinion as a counterbalance to what we already know is Trump's continuing innings of lies.

(I think he is working on his triple century!)




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In reply to conman

I keep telling you guys you're wrong about that. Sure, republicans would like for Trump to remain in office but if the evidence is there, they have to act on it.

In reply to black

obstruction is already there, blatantly

In reply to black

They will only act on it if the people force them to, if they feel there is no Political backlash, they will not!

Which is why the Court system is key which is my point!

In reply to Ayenmol

did u miss the other stuff i wrote of why the courts wont matter?

In reply to Ayenmol

The precedence would be almost irreversible, democrats would do the same and soon the laws would be ignored.

In reply to Ayenmol

I am not trying to convince you of anything – I am just pointing out that the other side is playing in two courts – the court of public opinion and the court of law ---- you suggesting that Avenneti should only play in the court of law –why - I am not sure

Boehner says the Republican party is no more, it is now Trump party

In reply to Ayenmol

I see from your other posts on this thread that you have retreated from this silly privilege claim. Good for you

By the way, anything said in open court automatically becomes part of the public domain.

Are you guys listening to Cohen on tape threatening a reporter? It is all ovr MSM.

In reply to Dukes

Hail up Mullo fe me! Tanks.

--Æ.

In reply to black

Avenatti would not be able to speak as freely if he is admitted to practice law before the Federal Court in NY. Federal judges do not like cases before them turning into a circus, and they prefer to have cases litigated in the courtroom instead of the court of public opinion. By the way, Giuliani would be told the same thing by Judge Wood if he made an appearance in that same case.

Anyway I think Mol is a bit confused about the concepts privilege and confidentiality in the legal context. But neither concept applies to Avenatti so far in the Cohen case, except for the attorney-client privilege between Avenatti and the Stormy One.

In reply to Runs

Are you surprised by that tape? That's how gangsters and thugs behave. Cohen was actually constrained in that tape. I am expecting worse language/behavior on other tapes to be revealed in the future.

In reply to Walco

We are still awaiting the disclosure from Avenatti as to whom threatened SD in that parking lot? They are awaiting the right moment to drop that bombshell.

These guys are typical Noo Yawk hoodlums.

There are none so blind as those who WILL NOT see.


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