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In my opinion , WE must first acknowledge the freaking fact that
Cricket in the Region was started by
by Wealthy Business Men & Land Owners.

Most if not ALL of these people were
of a different hue than the most West
Indies . THEY were the people who setup the Structure ; Rules etc .

In essence THEY controlled ALL THE POWER , regarding everything pertaining to Cricket . It is possible that many of these Expats
from England , took their cue from those in England .

There were some players who represented England , were not Professional Cricketers ; in essence
they were a shade different , from
Players who in essence played for money .

IT WAS THIS DISTINCTION THAT SPAWNED

AT ONE TIME AN ANNUAL MATCH IN

ENGLAND CALLED GENTLEMEN VS PLAYERS.

OBVIOUSLY " PLAYERS" WERE THOSE WHO

MADE THEIR LIVELIHOOD PLAYING

CRICKET .

In essence there was a distinction
between Gentlemen & Players . The
Gentlemen dealt mainly with the Administration of Cricket , while
the Players played Cricket .

My perspective is that this model
was transported , to all parts of the Commonwealth .

Part 1

In reply to POINT

interested in seeing part 2

In reply to openning
Didn't the administration already commission an independent report on this issue, then cherry picked/largely ignored the findings?

Part 2 .

Cricket in this Region , in my opinion
followed this a model , when expats
from England came to the West Indies .
they followed the same template .

Currently , in the Region although
the complexion of those in the governance of West Indies cricket
has changed .

THE MIMIC MEN WHO ARE CURRENTLY IN

THE GOVERNANCE OF WEST INDIES HAVE

CONTINUED TO BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE

THE ONLY PERSONS WITH A DIVINE

KNOWLEDGE TO GOVERN CRICKET IN THE

WEST INDIES .

In essence input from those who have
played Cricket in the Region , and
those currently playing Cricket are
discarded

THEIR VIEWS ARE NOT ACCEPTED BY

THOSE IN THE GOVERNANCE OF WEST

INDIES CRICKET BECAUSE THE

WICBC/CWI UNFORTUNATELY BELIEVE

THAT THEY ALONE ARE ENDOWED BY THE

CREATOR REGARDING WHAT IS BEST FOR

CRICKET IN THE REGION .

Sadly it seems that almost ALL in the Media are also of that opinion ;
hence their continuous propensity
to ALWAYS be critical of the Players , never the Worst International Cricket Board in the Commonwealth aka THE WICBC/CWI .

In reply to methodic

I would love to see parts 3 and 4 too

In reply to methodic

PART 3.

IT IS THIS NASTY , CONTEMPTUOUS;

DICTATORIAL ; ATTITUDE BY THOSE IN

THE GOVERNANCE OF ALL WEST INDIES

CRICKET , THAT ARE AT THE HEART OF

WEST INDIES CRICKET PROBLEMS .


Let me again cite a stark tangible
fact , to illustrate the point I am
making , which cannot be refuted by
Anyone .

When the shortest version of the game went International , those in the governance of West Indies Cricket decided to farm it out to an
American , whose knowledge of Cricket was nil .

He however decided to get Former Great Players in the Region to govern and run this format of the
Game .

Perhaps many have forgotten the fact that it was these Former Great
Players , who are responsible for
Our Players Prowess in the International Cricket Arena in this
Format of the game .

AS A RESULT OF THEIR STEWARDSHIP IN

THIS FORMAT OF THE GAME , WE HAVE

WON 2 CONSECUTIVE WORLD

CHAMPIONSHIP. NOW THIS IS A FREAKING

FACT , IT AINT A FIGMENT OF MY

IMAGINATION .

I cite this to illustrate the point
that if WE want progress in West Indies Cricket Those in the governance of West Indies Cricket
must get off of their High Horses and start Treating the Players as Equals . This is in my opinion the
Main Problem involving West Indies Cricket .

THERE MUST BE A CONCRETE COMMITTMENT

FROM THOSE IN THE GOVERNANCE OF WEST

INDIES TO FOSTER & HAVE A REAL

COMMITMENT TO INCLUDE THE INPUT OF

PLAYERS IN ALL DECISIONS BEING MADE .
Failure to do this is going to be
akin to SPINNING A TOP IN MUD . The
Arrogance of those in the Governance of West Indies Cricket must cease .

In reply to POINT
From what I have noticed throughout from the British colonial days to modern day is that the Colonials had a very efficient way of administration versus these greedy self serving pseudo colonials whose only mission is to fill their own purse.
The colonials did all for the Crown. They had a higher power to account to.
WICB has no accountability to anyone.

In reply to goofballs

Same could be said of many post independence leaders throughout the Commonwealth.

In reply to Brucie

Look those in the governance of West
Indies Cricket have commissioned several Reports , and have bluntly refused to change their 1928 Structure .

However YOU will never hear or read
any article regarding this Machiavellian Tactic of the Worst International Cricket Board in the
Commonwealth ; aka the WICBC/CWI .

Lately in this Forum , there is an article by Tony Becca , who in my opinion is among those who are responsible for being conspicuously
silent regarding the Excesses of the
the WICBC/CWI .

It seems that at this Juncture , Becca has apparently had a Saul on the Road to Damascus moment , time will tell whether this is genuine or
simply a Sham .

Becca in my opinion by his continuous silence regarding the Stewardship of West Indies Cricket
was & possibly still is one of the
WICBC/CWI Lackeys .

In reply to goofballs

The Truth is that the current MIMIC MEN , delight in aping those who formed the WICBC in 1928 .

MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT THERE WAS A

BIG DEBATE IN THOSE IN THE

GOVERNANCE OF WEST INDIES CRICKET

REGARDING MAKING SIR FRANK WORRELL

THE CAPTAIN OF THE WEST INDIES

CRICKET TEAM . BECAUSE WORRELL WAS

NOT OF THE SAME PIGMENTATION OF

THOSE IN THE ADMINISTRATION OF WEST

INDIES CRICKET .

I get the impression that Those who have some semblance of persuasion ,
bluntly refuse to be critical of the
WICBC/CWI .

They also in my opinion are Complicity
with the WICBC/CWI regarding the current state of West Indies Cricket .

What is needed are persons willing to
Tell the Emperors in the WICBC/CWI
that THEY are stark naked , regarding
their Stewardship of West Indies Cricket .

Unless & until they Speak Truth to
those in the governance of West Indies Cricket , WE are not going to
get Progress .

Where are the voices of all those who say they want to Cricket in the Region , to improve ,when they skirt around the Issue of the performances of those in the governance of West Indies Cricket ???????

How many Reports have the WICBC commissioned , and refused to address the numerous Shortcomings of
those in the Governance of West Indies Cricket???

Where is the Wehby Report ???
The WICBC/CWI is running very fast
never mind the fact that it is still
in the same Freaking Place .

It was not my intention , to run Openning from his Post . I simply want
him or anyone to provide factual evidence that what I have stated is untrue .

The WICBC/CWI needs to Stop Mimimcing
Those who founded the WICBC many years
ago . WE ARE LIVING IN THE 21st. CENTURY , NOT THE 20th Century .

This Freaking Fact seems to have escaped the WICBC/CWI for many years
It is high time that those in the governance of West Indies Cricket in
the Region including the Regional Boards Fully Understand that the World has changed , Cricket has also
changed , this aint 1928 .

The WICBC/CWI , quite frankly the Worst International Cricket Board in
the World for decades has bluntly refuse to change its archaic Modus Operandi .

Tangibly demonstrating that it is seemingly lives in a Team Warp , never mind the fact that WE are and have been at Rock Bottom in the longer formats of the game for quite some time .

Unless there are genuine changes in
the Structure of ALL of West Indies
Cricket , We are not going to make
much Progress in the competitiveness of our Players particularly in the longer formats of the game in International Cricket .

The Stark Stinking Fact is that WE
must revisit The Past to ensure that
WE AVOID the Mistakes of the Past in
the Future .

Sadly those in the governance of West
Indies Cricket , do not want to do that . However this MUST be Done .

Just as important ; is the fact that
Ideas of the Past & Present must be
Permanently discarded . Especially
the Asinine Idea that the Cricket Boards in the Region belief that They are the Masters , and the Players are their Serfs .

The WICBC/CWI ; The Regional Boards & the Players need to fully understand that for Cricket in the
Region to improve :

THERE MUST BE GENUINE RESPECT METED

OUT TO EACH OTHER ; AND ALL MUST

HAVE EQUAL INPUT INTO WEST INDIES

CRICKET .

Quite Frankly the attitude of the
MIMIC MEN , who love behaving like
those who formed the WICBC , need to
fully understand that this aint 1928
this is 2018 .

The utter contempt of those in the
governance of West Indies Cricket
towards our Players is at the Heart
of most of the Problems in West Indies Cricket .

Unfortunately , those who claim to be Sports Journalists in the Region
refuse to understand this ; due to their Idolatry of those in the Worst
International Cricket Board in the
Commonwealth , aka the WICBC/CWI .

In reply to POINT

I am a cricket fan, has very little interest in discussing CWI.

In reply to openning

FYI it is the many people who think like YOU ; why those in the Administration of Cricket in the Region continue their MalAdministration of West Indies Cricket .

Your response informs me that YOU really do not give a Damn about the
maladministration of Cricket in the Region .

It is that sort of thinking why in the longer formats of the game , WE
are at Rock Bottom .

Apparently it does not concern You that the WICBC/CWI goes out of its way to hire Foreigners , when there are in the Region Former Great Players with better skills than the
Foreigners that they hire .

This tangibly demonstrates the Utter Contempt that the Worst International Cricket Board in the Commonwealth has for our Former Players , whose skills are a hell of
a lot better than the Foreigners they bring to the Region .

Hola...I cannot fathom why people pointing fingers all over the place...
Bottom line to gain respect..get a bunch of cricketers who can actually play the game,consistently win,become world beaters and everything else would fall into place..NOTHING ELSE MATTERS.
The only Dynasty we have now is ..a losing dynasty..can anyone respect that...????will fans rush to support that???.
A wiining team attract sponsors with deep pockets,an audience worldwide ,stadiums full etc..
Who in their right mind can support and truly say that they enjoy West Indian cricket now?
Adios
CB
Viva North Korea

In reply to openning

It is indeed interesting that you refused to query what I have stated regarding the Heading of Your Post .

THIS IS YOUR POST , NOT MINE , AND I

HAVE IDENTIFIED WHAT IN MY OPINION

ARE THE ROOT CAUSES OF THE MALAISE

IN WEST INDIES CRICKET .

BTW , you stated WI Brand , apparently you seem to have forgotten that in the Region WI means West Indies .

Obviously then The WICBC/CWI is inferred when you stated WI , You did not state Barbados , perhaps when you stated WI , you did that because some of the Players are from Barbados .

I believe that I have in this Forum always identified the Root Causes for the demise of West Indies Cricket .

In reply to POINT

Hola...Pointy I received a serious complaint about you.At the recent reunion in Vincie your cousin from Canada complained that you did not lift a finger...just sitting around like a slave master..I told her she should had give you a good box..
The woman all tired out now..
Take care.
Adios
CB
Viva Vincies

In reply to CITYBOY

I copied and paste Donna speach, thats the only input I had to the thread.
Now if you want to debate about any of the cricketers last performance, I will be happy to put my two cents in.
All other stuff is just fluff as far as I am concern

In reply to openning

Apparently you believe that it is due to Fluff why Our Players in the longer versions of the game , are not as competitive as they should be .

I do not share that perspective , because my belief is that it is the
Autocratic , Imperialistic behaviour
and Attitude of aLL those in the governance of Cricket in the Region .

The Truth is that unless those in
the governance of Cricket in the Region realize that there must be amicable Relations between themselves & the Players , sadly there aint going to be any improvement in West Indies Cricket .

Obviously as I have stated continuously in this Forum there must be serious structural changes by those in the governance of Cricket in the Region .

It is quite possible that the performances of the Sri Lanka Players may be due to jet lag & the
Time differences .

Time will tell whether I am Right or wrong in my assessment regarding
whether the Sri Lankans suffered from Jet Lag & the Time Differences.

In reply to POINT

You seem to be aware of what it take, to be a competitive world class player, yet you cannot truly name a great West Indian cricketer from SVG.
I've been following cricket for over five decades, not once did I believe the WICB/CWI was responsible for the development of the 3 W's or any Barbadian player.
You may want to share your knowledge of players developed by the WICB/CWI.

In reply to openning…

… so how were they developed?

In reply to natty_forever

Community, schools and clubs

Cricket is now a professional sport, it has to be treated that way, but all the Islands.
A number of good youngster fall by the wayside, because of lack of structure in most of the Islands.

In reply to openning

POINT said it.

the HEAD is the ROOT of the problem.


it really is that simple.

In reply to powen001

It aint only the Head , The fact is
this :

THE MIMIC MEN BELIEVE IN ADOPTING

THE AUTOCRATIC BEHAVIOUR OF THOSE

WHO THEY INHERITED THE WICBC/CWI .

It is this adversary attitude that is at the Heart of ALL the Problems
regarding West Indies Cricket ; including the Individual Cricket Boards .

HOW MANY FORMER GREAT PLAYERS ARE

CURRENTLY EMPLOYED BY THE WICBC/CWI

TO COACH & HARNESS THE SKILLS OF OUR

PLAYERS ????

This aptly demonstrates the Utter Contempt that the WICBC/CWI have Our
Players .

PERMIT ME TO ONCE AGAIN STATE A

FREAKING FACT . IN RECENT TIMES IT

WAS OUR FORMER GREAT PLAYERS WHO

WERE IN CHARGE OF THE SHORTEST

VERSION OF THE GAME IN THE REGION

WHO HARNESSED & HONED OUR PLAYERS IN

THIS VERSION OF THE GAME TO WIN 2

CONSECUTIVE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS ; IN

THIS VERSION OF THE GAME .

Now if they could do the above , WE
need to find out why it is that None
of these Former Great Players have not been hired by the WICBC ????????

My take is that this amply demonstrates the utter Contempt that
the WICBC/CWI has for Players . THEY
prefer instead to hire People from
Overseas , to come to the Region , get a nice Tan , and fat Paychecks .

In reply to powen001

I would readily agree that Openning is
entitled to his opinion , even when it is clearly Wrong .

There are many people in this Forum & in the Region who are brainwashed to
accept the Utter Stupidity of those in
the governance of West Indies Cricket.

I will always insist that there must
be a genuine Partnership between those in the Governance of Cricket in this Region & Our Players . That also must also include ALL the Regional Boards .

Now if the WICBC ET AL , refuses to
understand this , then WE will be in
a situation akin to Spinning a Top in Mud .

In reply to POINT

The System that keeps on regenerating men willing to line up and repeat and rinse and repeat still caffuffles me..Bajan word for STUMPS me.

So its Heads Plural....maybe some corporate Kool aid is administered...and regardless of how many different commissions and enquiries done and delivered....

not a thing is done.

In reply to POINT

What is my opinion?
Dude, Have I not repeated that 99.9% of us agreed with you from day one, and every time someone speak on an issue, you tend to label them.
I am going golfing, and will enjoy watching the team tomorrow, I just don't have the time or energy like you, to be so focus on the CWI.

In reply to powen001

The whole System has to change , as is
often Stated :

" YOU CANNOT TEACH

OLD DOGS NEW TRICKS ".

This in my opinion is why there must be completely New Structures in the
WICBC/CWI & THE REGIONAL BOARDS .

Those in power currently are never
ever going to change their Behaviour
therefore they have to go .

Let me once again illustrate my point . I seriously believe that any
sane person in the Region would conclude that the onus was on the President of the WICBC/CWI , to ascertain what Level Contract Bravo
had before making his statement .

The fact that he did not know apparently was unimportant to him .
However it was important to Bravo . Frankly speaking , my belief is that
this demonstrated that the President
was flippant regarding this matter .

This resulted in an inappropriate
remark from Bravo . As I have stated in this Forum they both needed to apologise to each other .

However Cameron needed to apologise
first , then Bravo , this matter was
spawned by Cameron , who had an obligation to know what level Contract Bravo had .

The freaking fact that he did not know , and worse yet never bothered to inform himself , illustrates the
utter contempt that Members of the
WICBC/CWI have towards Our Players .

I have identified the Main Problem in
Openning's Post , but I get the impression that HE does not think my
suggestions are valid .

It aint my idea to change anyone's
mind regarding what I state , I simply want my Critics to factually refute
what I write , by providing credible
evidence to refute my perspective .

In reply to POINT

but POINT...the OLD Dogs tricks are being passed on to the NEW DOGS ad nauseum.

I am stumped by it.

Look at the various business men and others of hitherto good standing who go in and come out stained , tainted and bruised...

There is a cancer in there that infects some good men and worst yet, magnifies the vile hearts of others....ah hem cough cough.

I am yet to be convinced that most of them genuinely care for our BRAND...

Business and Sponsorship can be good filips and are important but the PRODUCT and the ENVIRONMENT will make us grow and keep us growing.

In reply to POINT

I think I just read part 17!
Good points!

In reply to openning

What does CWI stand for again? Cricket West Indies.

Who runs cricket (to the ground or otherwise) in the West Indies?

In reply to goofballs

The Reason why I write what I write , is due to the fact that I love Cricket. But it is a very sad State ,
and One does not have to be a Rocket Scientist to fully understand what the Problem is .

It is very obvious that the Mimic
Men in the WICBC & those in the
Regional Boards have absolutely no intention of changing their Modus
Operandi .

Therefore they ALL have to be removed from their over exalted positions . I believe that an Injunction from the Court can fix that problem .

What is needed as I have stated in this Forum several times , is the Majority of Governments in the Region summon up their Testicular Fortitude and take the WICBC/CWI to Court .

I have absolutely no doubt that there exists an abundance of tangible evidence to support their
removal .

The Courts in India & recently Sri Lanka have debunked the asinine pronouncement of the ICC when it gravely states :

" GOVERNMENTS MUST NOT

INTERVENE IN CRICKET "

If that was true , where the Hell was the ICC when on 4 separate occasions the President of Pakistan sacked the PCB . He then appointed a
Chairman & an Ad Hoc Committee to govern Cricket in Pakistan .

Where the Hell was the ICC when the Government of Guyana took the GCB to Court ; BTW the WICBC/CWI was not there either .

Where was the great ICC when the Supreme Court of India were verbally abusing the Officials of the BCCI . BTW for its Tardiness:

THE SUPREME COURT OF INDIA REMOVED

THE PRESIDENT OF THE BCCI FROM HIS

POSITION OF BEING THE PRESIDENT OF

THE BCCI . THE SECRETARY OF THE

BCCI WAS ALSO DISCIPLINED .

The Great ICC was nowhere in sight .
My recollection is that the President of the BCCI produced a letter from the ICC , which was ignored by the Supreme Court of India .

Quite frankly the ICC in matters
before the Courts is akin to being a Paper Tiger . In essence Cricket Boards aint as Powerful as they pretend to be .