The is not a dig at the people, most of them are good people.
But, how did Haile Selasie become such a big figure in the religion?
Is there a historical/factual reference that puts him where he is?
Isn't this the same way Jesus and Christianity was propagated on society?
If someone could provide the answer, I would appreciate it.
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2018-08-22 10:25:52
2018-08-22 10:28:41
In reply to black
this is just one perspective
u surely love your vocational schools dont ya
2018-08-22 10:49:51
In reply to black
But, how did Haile Selasie become such a big figure in the religion?
All religions are born out of mythology. Fact and fiction merge to transcend rational thinking and poof... a new religion... Now let's move forward.
Early philosophy: Marcus Garvey singularly had an important role in the ascension of Emperor Haile Selasie as the Black Messiah. He planted the seed.
Gravey stated: "Look to Africa where a black king shall be crowned. He shall be the redeemer."
Leonard P. Howell, based on Garvey's philosophy and ideologies, organized and assembled persons in Jamaica and was first to preach the divinity of Haile Selassie in the early 1930s in Jamacia. Without Howell, there would be not Rastafarian religion. That simple.
You should also know that Haile Selasie was born (named) Ras Tafari Makonnen. As such Black, you can see the interwoven fabric that is Rasta is much deeper than dreadlocks and weed... (but that is for another thread)
I don't have the time, but google "Leonard P. Howell"... I am sure plenty will come up
Sidenote: Give me Rasta over Catholic any day.
2018-08-22 10:57:07
In reply to pelon
But, what did he accomplish, other than being the descendant of Royalty?
Did he perform miracles?
Did he rise from the dead?
What made him special?
2018-08-22 10:59:36
In reply to black
What made him special?
WTF!
Man, I gone.
2018-08-22 11:07:24
In reply to pelon
Come on man, help me out. 
2018-08-22 11:20:34
In reply to black
The Lion of Judah is said to be a direct descendant of King David and Jesse his father. That line includes King Solomon and indeed, the Solomonic Dynasty.
Jesus of Nazareth, in his human form, is also a descendant of Jesse.
//
2018-08-22 11:24:24
In reply to black
Selassie was the only African leader to successfully resist European aggression.
Italy were defeated by Ethiopia at Adawa in 1896, but the Italians got their revenge using chemical weapons in the inter-war years. But Selassie got the last laugh, and was reinstated on the Ethiopian throne.
2018-08-22 11:32:29
In reply to black
Did he perform miracles?
Did he rise from the dead?
What made him special?
Did he rise from the dead?
What made him special?
He was special because a large group believed he was special. That is all that is required.
Apply same to Jesus, Mohamed, Abraham etc. For gadsake Joseph Smith founded the Mormon religion based on a fantastical story of finding a gold tablet buried in a box near his home.
Rastafarians trace Haile Selassie's birth lineage back to King Solomon and the Queen of Sheba...
If Rasta believed Haile Selasie was the second coming of Christ/God on earth etc., would that not answer all of your above questions?
2018-08-22 11:37:25
Most of black's questions can quickly be answered on Google...
Does he not know how to use google, being an inventor and all?
2018-08-22 11:46:10
In reply to Ewart
The Lion of Judah is said to be a direct descendant of King David and Jesse his father. That line includes King Solomon and indeed, the Solomonic Dynasty.
Jesus of Nazareth, in his human form, is also a descendant of Jesse.
Jesus of Nazareth, in his human form, is also a descendant of Jesse.
What does that have to do with Selassie?
2018-08-22 11:47:32
In reply to steveo
When I pose questions on here, I come out with far better understanding than someone would, elsewhere.
Did not doubt the intelligence of the people on here.
Besides, a forum is for discussions.
2018-08-22 11:50:38
In reply to pelon
Early philosophy: Marcus Garvey singularly had an important role in the ascension of Emperor Haile Selasie as the Black Messiah. He planted the seed.
Gravey stated: "Look to Africa where a black king shall be crowned. He shall be the redeemer."
Leonard P. Howell, based on Garvey's philosophy and ideologies, organized and assembled persons in Jamaica and was first to preach the divinity of Haile Selassie in the early 1930s in Jamacia. Without Howell, there would be not Rastafarian religion. That simple.
Gravey stated: "Look to Africa where a black king shall be crowned. He shall be the redeemer."
Leonard P. Howell, based on Garvey's philosophy and ideologies, organized and assembled persons in Jamaica and was first to preach the divinity of Haile Selassie in the early 1930s in Jamacia. Without Howell, there would be not Rastafarian religion. That simple.
Please note that Garvey himself NEVER endorsed Selassie as a Black Messiah...furthermore Garvey in his magazine The Negro World blatantly called Selassie a coward for going to the English for help in repulsing the Italian invaders under Mussolini. Garvey's argument was that Selassie should have united the African nations to fight the Italians.
2018-08-22 11:52:45
In reply to Ayenmol
Um..... How can I break it to you gently?
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Ah, yes! They are the same person.
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2018-08-22 11:52:55
Both Garvey and Selassie are the foundation ( Leonard Howell was a Garveyite) on which Rastafari was built. Both Garvey and Selassie embraced Christianity and the ransom sacrifice of Jesus Christ. But Garvey condemned Selassie and had no respect for him.
2018-08-22 11:55:32
In reply to Ewart
lol...according to who?
2018-08-22 12:07:40
I never buy in to all that 'Haille Selassie as a divine figure' talk nah. I know some Ethopian and Erithean people who say a big fraction of their people hate him. He oppressed different ethnic groups for decades during his time as King. He is more loved by Rastafarians by a lot of Ethiopians who hate him because of what he did to their ethnic group of people.
2018-08-22 12:09:28
In reply to pelon
Man, I gone.
You give the boy an answer, but he still persist with his thorough dotishness, now he knows he can research and google stuff, but he has nothing better to do
2018-08-22 12:11:42
In reply to problemjay
You've answered my next question.
So he is not regarded the same way in Ethiopia as he is in Jamaica?
2018-08-22 12:17:09
In reply to black
Ethiopians are people of different ethnic tribes. He did a lot for some but oppressed others. He is a hero to his own tribal people but a villain to others.
I have an Ethiopian friend who absolutely hate this man. And he is from the same country this man is from....but if you listen to Rastafarians you will not think this is possible
2018-08-22 12:32:54
In reply to Ewart
According to Matthew
1 The book of the history* of Jesus Christ, son of David,+ son of Abraham:+
2 Abraham+ became father to Isaac;
Isaac became father to Jacob;
Jacob became father to Judah and his brothers;
3 Judah became father to Perez and Zerah by Tamar;+
Perez became father to Hezron;+
Hezron became father to Ram;
4 Ram became father to Amminadab;
Amminadab became father to Nahshon
Nahshon became father to Salmon;
5 Salmon became father to Boaz by Rahab;
Boaz became father to Obed by Ruth;
Obed became father to Jesse;
6 Jesse became father to David+ the king.
David became father to Solomon+ by the wife of Uriah;
7 Solomon became father to Rehoboam;+
Re·ho·boam became father to Abijah;+
A·bijah became father to Asa;+
8 Asa became father to Je·hoshaphat;+
Je·hosha·phat became father to Je·horam;+
Je·horam became father to Uz·ziah;+
9 Uz·ziah became father to Jotham;+
Joʹtham became father to Ahaz;+
Aʹhaz became father to Hez·e·kiah;+
10 Hez·e·kiah became father to Ma·nasseh;+
Ma·nasseh became father to Amon
Amon became father to Jo·siah
11 Jo·siah became father to Jec·o·niah and to his brothers at the time of the deportation to Babylon.+
12 After the deportation to Babylon, Jec·o·niah became father to She·alti·el
She·alti·el became father to Ze·rubba·bel
13 Ze·rubba·bel became father to A·biud
A·biud became father to E·lia·kim;
E·lia·kim became father to Azor
14 Azor became father to Zadok;
Zadok became father to Achim;
Achim became father to E·liud;
15 E·liud became father to El·e·azar
El·e·azar became father to Matthan;
Matthan became father to Jacob;
16 Jacob became father to Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom Jesus was born,+ who is called Christ.+
Patriachal lineage of the Christ.
Can i see that from Selassie? According to the Historical book that claims he is same as Jesus Christ?
2018-08-22 12:51:32
23 When Jesus+ began his work, he was about 30 years old,+ being the son, as the opinion was,
of Joseph,+
son of Heli,
24 son of Matthat,
son of Levi,
son of Melchi,
son of Janna·i,
son of Joseph,
25 son of Mat·ta·thias,
son of Amos,
son of Nahum,
son of Esli,
son of Nagga·i,
26 son of Maath,
son of Mat·ta·thias,
son of Seme·in,
son of Josech,
son of Joda,
27 son of Jo·anan,
son of Rhesa,
son of Ze·rubba·bel,+
son of She·alti·el,+
son of Neri,
28 son of Melchi,
son of Addi,
son of Cosam,
son of El·madam,
son of Er,
29 son of Jesus,
son of E·li·ezer,
son of Jorim,
son of Matthat,
son of Levi,
30 son of Syme·on,
son of Judas,
son of Joseph,
son of Jonam,
son of E·lia·kim,
31 son of Mele·a,
son of Menna,
son of Matta·tha,
son of Nathan,+
son of David,+
32 son of Jesse,+
son of Obed,+
son of Boaz,+
son of Salmon,+
son of Nahshon,+
33 son of Am·mina·dab,+
son of Arni,
son of Hezron,+
son of Perez,+
son of Judah,+
34 son of Jacob,+
son of Isaac,+
son of Abraham,+
son of Terah,+
son of Nahor,+
35 son of Serug,+
son of Reu,+
son of Peleg,+
son of Eber,+
son of Shelah,+
36 son of Ca·inan,
son of Ar·pachshad,+
son of Shem,+
son of Noah,+
son of Lamech,+
37 son of Me·thuse·lah,+
son of Enoch,+
son of Jared,+
son of Ma·hala·le·el,+
son of Ca·inan,+
38 son of Enosh,+
son of Seth,+
son of Adam,+
son of God.
of Joseph,+
son of Heli,
24 son of Matthat,
son of Levi,
son of Melchi,
son of Janna·i,
son of Joseph,
25 son of Mat·ta·thias,
son of Amos,
son of Nahum,
son of Esli,
son of Nagga·i,
26 son of Maath,
son of Mat·ta·thias,
son of Seme·in,
son of Josech,
son of Joda,
27 son of Jo·anan,
son of Rhesa,
son of Ze·rubba·bel,+
son of She·alti·el,+
son of Neri,
28 son of Melchi,
son of Addi,
son of Cosam,
son of El·madam,
son of Er,
29 son of Jesus,
son of E·li·ezer,
son of Jorim,
son of Matthat,
son of Levi,
30 son of Syme·on,
son of Judas,
son of Joseph,
son of Jonam,
son of E·lia·kim,
31 son of Mele·a,
son of Menna,
son of Matta·tha,
son of Nathan,+
son of David,+
32 son of Jesse,+
son of Obed,+
son of Boaz,+
son of Salmon,+
son of Nahshon,+
33 son of Am·mina·dab,+
son of Arni,
son of Hezron,+
son of Perez,+
son of Judah,+
34 son of Jacob,+
son of Isaac,+
son of Abraham,+
son of Terah,+
son of Nahor,+
35 son of Serug,+
son of Reu,+
son of Peleg,+
son of Eber,+
son of Shelah,+
36 son of Ca·inan,
son of Ar·pachshad,+
son of Shem,+
son of Noah,+
son of Lamech,+
37 son of Me·thuse·lah,+
son of Enoch,+
son of Jared,+
son of Ma·hala·le·el,+
son of Ca·inan,+
38 son of Enosh,+
son of Seth,+
son of Adam,+
son of God.
Matriarchal lineage of the Christ.
2018-08-22 14:17:28
In reply to Ayenmol
The Lion of Judah is said to be a direct descendant of King David and Jesse his father. That line includes King Solomon and indeed, the Solomonic Dynasty. Jesus of Nazareth, in his human form, is also a descendant of Jesse.
Your question: What does that have to do with Selassie? was in response to my statement that Selassie and the Lion of Judah are the same person.
I then added that as descendants of Jesse and David and Solomon, he Selassie (Lion of Judah) is from the same line as Christ of Nazareth.
//
2018-08-22 15:29:36
In reply to black
So what ifSelassie is regarded differently in Ethiopia from parts of Jamaica?
Jesus is regarded differently in Israel from parts of the USA.
Jesus was aJew but the Jews don't believe he's divine.
2018-08-22 15:34:48
In reply to mikesiva
interesting analogy
last year in Geneva i met an Ethiopian chap in my field and we were talking many things...he mentioned to me he cannot understand the fuss
but you made a good point about being regarded or not
2018-08-22 15:44:07
In reply to mikesiva
My only point in making the comparison was that they (Ethiopians) would be in a better position to assess his greatness.
2018-08-22 15:49:13
In reply to Ewart
Your question: What does that have to do with Selassie? was in response to my statement that Selassie and the Lion of Judah are the same person.
I then added that as descendants of Jesse and David and Solomon, he Selassie (Lion of Judah) is from the same line as Christ of Nazareth.
I then added that as descendants of Jesse and David and Solomon, he Selassie (Lion of Judah) is from the same line as Christ of Nazareth.
I just showed you nactual proof that Jesus was from the Davidic line of decent on both sides of his parentage...please show me where Selassie is...
2018-08-22 19:13:47
2018-08-23 06:54:51
In reply to pelon
You should also know that Haile Selasie was born (named) Ras Tafari Makonnen.
So, who changed his name from the “furst” to the “I”?
2018-08-23 07:04:19
Now, can someone explain the connection with smoking marijuana to the religion?
2018-08-23 09:30:34
In reply to black
Now, can someone explain the connection with smoking marijuana to the religion?
Does the word 'sacrament' pop into your head as you ask?
Christians drink wine/eat bread (to "share in the body and blood of Christ")... you understand this
Rasta smokes weed for sacrament and reaches a higher state of consciousness ...
no difference. file under religious ritual/dogma/symbolism
Rastas eat a vegetarian diet, dominated with herbs that promote good health and wellbeing. Foremost among the herbs is mighty ganja, which is also referred to as the “holy herb” or “wisdom weed”
If we can respect the wine. we can respect the Rasta man and his herb.
got to have
2018-08-23 09:40:44
I can't buy this theory about smoking anything to paying homage to Jehovah...some other god but not JAH/JEHOVAH. I'm not even getting into comparison with the ANNUAL drinking of wine and eating of bread.
Putting smoke in your body is extremely harmful...no way Jehovah would be part of that.
2018-08-23 09:45:44
In reply to analyst-kid
Marijuana is also beneficial.
Do the benefits outweigh the risk?
2018-08-23 09:55:11
In reply to black
Smoking it is beneficial?
2018-08-23 09:58:18
In reply to analyst-kid
May you live fortified in your ways and your beliefs.
BTW, Do you have a list of "Jehovah" approved sacraments?
2018-08-23 10:04:36
In reply to you
Let's not fcuk around, smoke in any form is carcinogenic.
Now comes the position that weed could not be a form of sacrament because "Jehovah would be part of that".
Yet, paradoxically, wine contains alcohol: a deadly toxin. (don't fcuk around that fact analyst-kid, with "wine at sacrament is non-alcoholic")
Why do we pretend to have dominion on the needs/deeds/instruction of a deity??? All religion requires suspension of rational thought... respect RASTA if you want respect for your BS as well.
2018-08-23 10:14:29
All I am implying is that Jehovah would certainly not be encouraging or upholding harmful practices to the physical body he gave us.
2018-08-23 10:15:50
In reply to pelon
In respect of alcohol...drinking in moderation is ok....but drunkenness is a sin
The consumption of the "wine" sacrament is to be observed annually not daily or weekly.
2018-08-23 10:31:41
In reply to analyst-kid
Smoking it is beneficial?
I didn't say smoking, I said weed.
Smoking it is the bad part, but is it worth the risk?
2018-08-23 10:34:20
In reply to pelon
What has RASTA GOT TO WITH THIS?
And do you really know Rastafari? From a youth I have studied and embraced Rastafari from the time I was a reggae singer:
1.They are some Rastafari who do not believe in or support smoking atall! They embrace a vegan lifestyle and they consider smoking to be unhealthy....DO YOU KNOW THIS?
I could go on to many other differences between Rastafari but one thing today stands out....young Rastafari today denounce Christianity and hail Selassie as a deity while older Rastafari embrace Christianity and the Bible and accept Selassie as the Lion of Judah.
But remember I gave you background information on the THREE major personality influences on Rastafari namely Marcus Garvey, Haile Selassie and Leonard Howell and I revealed the low regard Garvey had for Selassie whereas Howell the founder saw Garvey as a prophet hailing Selassie as King
2018-08-23 10:41:44
In reply to analyst-kid
site, you weaved Rasta into the discourse when you stated 'Jehovah' would not sanction ganja as a sacrament.
And do you really know Rastafari? From a youth I have studied and embraced Rastafari from the time I was a reggae singer... They embrace a vegan lifestyle and they consider smoking to be unhealthy....DO YOU KNOW THIS?
Of course I know Rasta does not smoke cigarette. You feel only you studied or lettered?
2018-08-23 10:49:41
In reply to pelon
No...I meant WEED. Some Rastas have nothing to do with smoking WEED.
2018-08-23 10:49:58
In reply to Ayenmol
I don't think you understand.
I do not have to prove anything to you. You can accept my statement or counter it as you like.
My statement remains the same:
The Lion of Judah and Haile Selassie are the same person.
//
2018-08-23 11:21:16
In reply to Ewart FWITMSIF
Dear Sir, yes Sir, school him, thank you Sir. (though the context may elude him)
2018-08-23 12:42:16
In reply to Ewart
Dude get from here wiith this nonsense. The Bible makes the prophecy regarding Jesus.
So you just make the statement because that is the Rastafarian claim without a shred of evidence to support?
And am supposed to refute it?
Because the Rastafarians choose to claim Selassie as some sort of Messiah and attach this Bible prophecy to him, you just repeating it with no validation?
Are you serious? Alyuh aint easy boy.
And doh try play games, because you know we talking about the man and not the language...
2018-08-23 12:47:20
In reply to Ayenmol
Because the Rastafarians choose to claim Selassie as some sort of Messiah and attach this Bible prophecy to him, you just repeating it with no validation?
Now look at you.
Is this not the EXACT thing the Jews said of Jesus when HE called himself the messiah...
They crucified Jesus because he had "no validation of being the son of god"
Check yourself.
2018-08-23 12:55:22
In reply to pelon
They crucified Jesus because he had "no validation of being the son of god"
Check yourself.
Check yourself.
Really? Sir don't embarass yourself.
Jesus fulfilled the Law and the Prophets.
On two occasions God himself declared Jesus as his son and Messiah.
Your assertion as to why the Jews killed Jesus shows you have no idea of Prophecy...but here you are defending Lij Tafari Makonnen because persons a World away seeking racial pride ascribed scripture to a flawed man.
2018-08-23 14:12:40
Jesus fulfilled the Law and the Prophets.
On two occasions God himself declared Jesus as his son and Messiah.
On two occasions God himself declared Jesus as his son and Messiah.
Interesting. Jehovah puts out his Word and his LAW. His prophets declare his will to come.
Everything is fulfilled re the Messiah. But Man IGNORES Jehovah, his Word, his Law and his prophets.
Man creates his own deities.
2018-08-24 08:43:07
In reply to analyst-kid
Why don't Jesus return and do his work?
Why is he leaving it up to others?
Wouldn't Jesus be a more compelling figure?
2018-08-24 13:04:28
In reply to black
Who sys that he is not doing his work?
Who today is doing Jesus' work and what work is it?
More compelling than who? For what purpose4?
2018-08-24 13:10:59
In reply to Ayenmol
Who sys that he is not doing his work?
Who today is doing Jesus' work and what work is it?
More compelling than who? For what purpose?
Who today is doing Jesus' work and what work is it?
More compelling than who? For what purpose?
Do you know how crazy that sounds?
Where is the evidence other than a bunch of people running around telling people they are going to hell?
2018-08-24 13:15:45
In reply to black
Where is the evidence other than a bunch of people running around telling people they are going to hell?
Is that Jesus' work?
Interesting how you can find scriptures to suit your hate for the Bible, but seem incapable of understanding even the basics that it teaches...
Like that question on instinct over desire...the very fact that Adam and Eve were given a test at the very outset speaks to the fact that God created them to make decisions. It also shows he understood that in order for creation to take it's proper course man needed to understand this...That alone should peak your interest.
2018-08-24 13:42:42
In reply to Ayenmol
Like that question on instinct over desire...the very fact that Adam and Eve were given a test at the very outset speaks to the fact that God created them to make decisions. It also shows he understood that in order for creation to take it's proper course man needed to understand this...That alone should peak your interest
Dude, people were too stupid back then to study human behavior. That is why the bible is outdated today.
All that BS about camels and donkeys don't apply today.
2018-08-24 14:00:14
In reply to black
Really? But here you are talking about instinct as the determining factor in human behavior while the Bible shows consistently that mans desire is what spurs sin and continue to plunge him into ruin...
14 But each one is tried by being drawn out and enticed* by his own desire.+ 15 Then the desire, when it has become fertile,* gives birth to sin; in turn sin, when it has been carried out, brings forth death.
That is precisely what happened to our first parents...and here you are unable to hold an argument with someone who uses the Bible as the authority on the subject.
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