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Ever since the announcement that discussions between Cricket West Indies and the Bravo brothers, Kieron Pollard and Sunil Narine had opened the door for them to possibly feature in the 2019 World Cup, their performances in the just-concluded Caribbean Premier League took on extra significance.

Although the plan was for the quartet to play in the full domestic 50-over tournament and push for an ODI recall via their performances, circumstances on and off the field could have altered those plans.

The 2-1 ODI series loss to Bangladesh in July meant that West Indies have not won a 50-over series under Jason Holder's captaincy, leaving the one-day side in further disarray. India announced their tour dates for the West Indies' visit in October with the first ODI beginning on October 21. With the Super50 back home scheduled to run between October 3 and 28, the West Indies selectors will not be able to pick their squad based on meaningful domestic form.

Hence the added importance of the CPL, in which all of the four aforementioned senior players performed. Pollard and the Bravo brothers all made it into both Cricbuzz's and the official CPL tournament XI. With officially 13 one-day games to go before the World Cup - starting with India, then against Bangladesh and England - here are five questions the Windies need to answer in the wake of CPL 2018.

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In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com

Colin, you're using a T20 tournament to ask questions about a 50-overs side. It doesn't work that way. That's what the Regional Super50 is for.

In reply to mikesiva
Nail, head, hit

Mr Benjamin your piece is a bit premature, you need to wait 5 or 6 week gather your data then re-write your piece.
you have posed some interesting questions which could be debated but unfortunately you have made your article virtually useless by using T20 data to pick players for 50 over format.
Also while Holder and Hope are going to miss the Super 50 they will be playing in the 5 ODIs against India and probably banga so the selectors would have more than enough info to judge them as to whether they deserves to be in the WC squad

In reply to mikesiva

It is not unusual, the core of most team ODI players and T-20 are the same. And you are also ignoring the fact that all the stars mentioned have played significant ODI cricket, so I am not sure your argument hold water here Mike.


Let me add, the Super 50 takes place after India's tour, so it cannot be used to pick the team for India.

BTW, if you use last year's Super 50, then none of Browne selected players should be on the team including the captain- loss 14 series in a row, now how about that for "merit."

In reply to Emir
That is just the point while these guys has played over 350 ODIs between them they all have average returns, they main suite is T20 cricket that is what they play all over the world.

In reply to Redstar

No. Look, I don't want to embarrass anyone, but you don't lump stats like you are suggesting.

Be careful though, if you are going to use stats, then none of the Browne selected players will make the team.

In reply to Emir
Mr Emir sir do your best
I have posted DJ Bravo Pollard and Ramdin ODI stats many times before, it is not a secret, they are there for everyone's to see, they all average 25 with the bat in ODIs SR in the 80s that is fact J Holder also averages 25 Hope averages 37 DM Bravo averages 32.
None of those averages are nothing to jump and down about but when people are calling some players stars and giving them automatic selection in an WC squad I have problem

Alyuh think Colin Benjamin is a Tittie?

In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com Foolishness you cannot use a T20 tournament to assess whether or not a player should be selected for a 50 Over Tournament...Colin Benjamin jump the gun yet again....come again after the Super50 competition...smh

In reply to Redstar
The Emir will be the first to blame other players, when Bravo and others cannot bat out 20-25 overs, or have problems bowling 6-10 overs.
We haven't seen most of them in a 50 overs match since the Indian tour, why would you pencil them in a ODI WC?

Allyuh so pedantic

In reply to openning… because we have seen the others.

In reply to natty_forever
On like you, I would like to see them play 50 overs cricket.
T20 yes, all other formats, no at this time.
I also have some concerns with Marlon only playing International cricket, what preparation is he doing prior?

In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com

Premise is so ridiculous, I won't waste time reading the article

In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com

Hopefully, they will put their best foot forward like the other cricket nations and try to win by picking the best team. It's time to focus on winning and forget the silly politics.

In reply to Fivestar

Hola..win what????West Indies selectors will pick a team of dinosaur for the world cup...its time to just roll the dice dump the thinking of dinosaurs and superstars...get the young fearless ones and throw them in the ring...we may not win much but I guarantee we will win more that with the dinosaurs and superstars.We cannot rebuild with what people here are proposing.
Anyway its all you players and all you loyal to them...so what ever is the results ACCEPT IT...
but all you cant beat no one...PERIOD.
I am a West Indian fan..I want to support my team...but cannot do so with the dinsaurs and superstars.
ADIOS
CB

In reply to CITYBOY

Your premise is we should forget the dinosaurs and superstars because we are not going to win with them. Are we winning with the young fearless ones?

In reply to Fivestar

Hola...are we winning with the dinosaurs???and superstars...? our cricket is rockbottom ...we talk about turning corner,rebuilding blah blah blah...all we doing is putting cement on old masonary /cement...you have to demolish and put new cement to let it last a good many years...the young and fearless have at least 15 years ahead..the dinosaurs/superstar time is up...moving forward who will you go with???
Rebuild rebuild rebuild...you will not be competitive with the dinosaurs in England...
anyway thats my take..we just going around in circles and fans calling for more circling.
Adios
CB

In reply to Larr Pullo

I've seen very good test players selected from T20

In reply to methodic
yes i agree
name them, when you check you will find that they played first class 4 day cricket with a good record within the season of their selection.
ie David Warner etc.

In reply to Redstar

wrong.
David Warner

David warner did play first cricket and did well in the season he was selected for the test team.
this was debated already on the forum

[b]In reply to methodic[/b

Some time ago,I detailed David Warner’s first class record prior to his selection to make his test debut.I will give you the benefit of the doubt and say that you did not see my post. I can’t be bothered to detail the same things again but will state that he made a double century for Australia A (211)as well as 48 and 82 in another Australia A match. He then scored his first Sheffield Shield century (148 )and then 65 vs New Zealand for Australia A and then made his test debut.

To claim that Warner was selected to play test cricket based on T 20 cricket is NOT TRUE.

My perspective is that Good to Great Cricketers are Players who can perform
well in the 3 Formats of the Game .

THE BASIC FUNDAMENTALS OF PLAYING

CRICKET ALWAYS REMAINS THE SAME IT DOES

NOT CHANGE .


THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THE REDUCTION OF

OVERS IN EACH VERSION OF THE GAME . THAT

BEING THE CASE ; BATSMEN & BOWLERS

GROUNDED IN THE FUNDAMENTALS OF

BATTING ; BOWLING ; & FIELDING WOULD

HAVE NO PROBLEMS .


THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IN THE 3 VERSIONS OF

THE GAME IS THE REDUCTION OF OVERS ,

WHICH OBVIOUSLY INVOLVES THE DURATION OF

THE 3 VERSIONS OF THE GAME .


In the Region it is quite noticeable that many of Our Players are not grounded in the basic Fundamentals of the Game ; and sadly this brings about their demise at the crease when batting .

In bowling , Bowlers need to avoid No Balls , and have the ability to consistently put the ball in areas that ultimately garner wickets .

In essence Our Players need to be fully aware of all the basic Fundamentals of
all aspects of playing Cricket . Those that lack the skills must be properly Coached so that they can improve .

This would require obviously Good Coaches to point out ALL the mistakes that Players make . I am of the opinion that ALL the Countries in the Region need to have Good Coaches , so that over time the Standard of Cricket in the Region can & will improve .

I am also of the Opinion that in order to improve the Standard of Cricket in the Region WE need to stop the asinine idea of
each Country vying to have most of its Players on the West Indies Team .

It is this utter stupidity that has Cricket in the Region Running very fast
never mind the freeing fact that WE are
still in the same Freaking Place .

This attitude aint helping the cause Cricket in the Region . In this Forum ,
there are several Persons who are only interested in how many Players from their specific Country are on the West Indies Team . Nothing else matters to their puny brain .

They obviously fail to understand the well known adage :

" A CHAIN IS AS STRONG AS

ITS WEAKEST LINK " .

In reply to POINT

Each Island participates at every level in Regional cricket, is it not up to each cricket region/franchise, to provide quality International players?
Each region has 15 contracted players, it is from that group that International players are selected.
BTW, Don't you think the Windwards would love to have, all it players, playing International cricket/

It is very unfortunate that in the Region
all Those in the governance of Cricket have
for many years now Failed to understand and
come to the realization this freaking fact :

UNLESS & UNTIL THERE IS A REGIONAL

RECOGNITION BY ALL PERSONS IN THE

GOVERNANCE OF CRICKET IN THE REGION THAT

THE CURRENT STANDARD OF CRICKET IN THE

REGION IS PISS POOR ; AND THEREFORE MUST

BE SERIOUSLY ADDRESSED .

The stark truth is that OUR Players play
less Cricket in all the formats of the
game than most if not ALL Other
International Cricket Teams .

PROPER PREPARATION PREVENTS

PISS POOR PERFORMANCES .

This freaking fact is lost on those who
are in the governance of West Indies
Cricket . Worse yet One would have
thought by now that THEY would have come to this conclusion .

Unfortunately their overbearing attitude
and belief that they & they alone are
endowed with the knowledge to save West
Indies Cricket .

WORSE YET IS THE STARK FACT THAT THEIR

LACKEYS IN THE MEDIA BLUNTLY REFUSE TO

TELL THE EMPERORS THAT THEY ARE STANDING

NAKED BEFORE THE PEOPLE OF THE REGION .


INSANITY IS GENERALLY DESCRIBED AS DOING

THE SAME THINGS CONTINUOUSLY WITH THE

HOPE & EXPECTATION OF GETTING A

DIFFERENT RESULT .

One can therefore conclude that those in
the governance of ALL Cricket in the
Region are lacking the capacity to change
their Modus Operandi .

In reply to openning

What the Hell does it matter if a Country
in the Region gets 4; 5 ;6 Players on the
West Indies Team when the Freaking Standard
of Cricket in the Region is PISS POOR .

YOU & Others can Bob & Weave , however YOU
Cannot escape the fact that the freaking
Standard of Cricket in the Region is PISS
POOR .

Let me state this Freaking axiom again for Your benefit .

IF WE WANT ALL OUR PLAYERS TO BE FULLY

COMPETITIVE IN THE INTERNATIONAL CRICKET

ARENA . THE STANDARD OF ALL CRICKET IN

ALL THE COUNTRIES IN THE REGION MUST

IMPROVE .

So that Individually & Collectively ALL
the Countries will be COMPETITIVE against
each other . Ultimately over Time :

THE STANDARD OF CRICKET IN THE REGION

WILL IMPROVE & OUR STANDING IN THE

INTERNATIONAL CRICKET ARENA WILL BE MUCH

HIGHER THAN IT CURRENTLY IS .

I Seriously doubt that any Sane Person
would disagree with what I have stated
above .

Your comment regarding Windward Islands
Players is sheer nonsense . The Windward
Islands can count themselves as being lucky if 3 of their Players represent the West Indies .

Hell I can cite the treatment meted out
to Kenroy Peters . Indelible etched in my mind that when an under 19 Team from the West Indies played a 5 match Test Series in England some years ago ;

Devon Smith was adjudged the best Batsman in that Series . Kenroy Peters was adjudged the best Bowler in that Series .

INTERSESTINGLY JIMMY ANDERSON PLAYED IN

THAT SAME SERIES . CURRENTLY JAMES

ANDERSON IS ADJUDGED AS THE BEST PACE

BOWLER IN THE WORLD .

MEANWHILE KENROY PETERS WAS MADE

INVISIBLE BY THOSE IN THE GOVERNANCE OF

WEST INDIES CRICKET .

You sure as Hell cannot refute this
freaking Fact . It is very interesting
that Other Countries are happy to have
Kenroy Peters playing Cricket in their
Countries . But in the Region Kenroy Peters is shunned .

In reply to POINT
I don't look at where a player is from, I follow youngsters from the U15 to the International levels.
The West Indies is a group of Islands, with each having its own government, which make the region different from other cricketing country.
Each government put money into sports, and develop its players.
You seem to be asking the poor boards in the region, to go around the and bring players to their Islands.
BTW, the franchise system is now putting a number of players on contract.
If you follow regional cricket, you know the players back ground, you will see below a number of players drafted into teams, from other Islands, this has been going on, for a few years.

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In reply to openning

Do YOU agree that the Standard of Cricket in
the Region is below what is required in the
International Cricket Arena to be fully
Competitive ????

What currently in the longer versions of
the Game is OUR TEAMS STANDING ??????

What in your opinion must be done for
OUR Players to be fully Competitive in the
International Cricket Arena ?????

In this Forum I have continuously stated
what in my opinion needs to be done . So
tell Me your opinion in this Post .

YOU relish being critical of my Holistic perspective of Cricket in the Region . You seem to be of the opinion that it is
each Country that must develop their Players , and magically ALL Our Players
will magically be fully competitive .

One thing I know for sure that aint going
to work . This B.S has been continuously
tried for years , never mind the fact that in the Longer Versions of the game
WE are at or near the Bottom of International Cricket .

Now this is a freaking Fact , it aint a Mirage or an Optical Illusion regarding Our current Standing in the International Cricket Arena .International Cricket .

BTW it aint yesterday that WE became
at or near the Bottom of International
Cricket . Sadly those in the governance of ALL Cricket in the Region do not give
A DAMN .

Neither do their many LACKEYS in the Media ,who believe that their Job is to only be critical of Our Players .

In reply to POINT

Bro, I got tease by UWI, Cave Hill student, while watching a game, and commenting on the batting of Ryan Hinds and Dwayne Smith.
I was also appalled watch a 1st Division match between Empire and YMPC, and Roland Holder was wicketkeeping.
The management has devalue the product in Barbados
In the WI & LI is the same, matches change to two days, and no LI matches.
I can only speak for cricket in Barbados, because I don't live in the region, and my closest cricket friend has moved back to Antigua.
It is up to the players, to make cricket their profession, it is also up to each regional board/Franchise, to provide these professionals a place to work /train.
The CWI also is responsible for having an academy for players.

In reply to openning

So then why the Hell is it that People in the Region who claim to be Sports Journalists in Print ; on Radio; & on TV :

ARE IGNORANT OF THE FREAKING FACT THAT

THAT THE STANDARD OF CRICKET IN THE

REGION IS PISS POOR ; AND IT IS THE

OBLIGATION OF ALL THOSE IN THE

GOVERMNANCE OF CRICKET IN THE REGION TO

MAKE ALL OUR PLAYERS FULLY COMPETITIVE .


QUITE FRANKLY IT IS THE DUTY OF THOSE IN

THE ADMINISTRATION OF ALL CRICKET IN THE

REGION TO ENSURE THAT THE STANDARD OF

ALL CRICKET IN THE REGION IS BETTER THAN

IT CURRENTLY IS .


IF THEY REFUSE TO MAKE OUR PLAYERS FULLY

COMPETITIVE IN THE INTERNATIONAL CRICKET

ARENA , IT MEANS THAT THEY HAVE CONSIGNED

OUR PLAYERS & TEAMS TO BE THE BOTTOM

DWELLERS IN INTERNATIONAL CRICKET .

Sadly very few people will criticize:

THE CHARLATANS IN THE MEDIA WHO CLAIM TO

SPORTS JOURNALISTS ; BUT IN ACTUALITY ARE

WILLING THE BOOT LICKERS OF THOSE IN THE

GOVERNANCE OF WEST INDIES CRICKET .

In reply to Dukes

yes, you are correct, I recognized that after looking at it in more detail

In reply to methodic
Respect mate. Many people post stuff on the board and when someone point out their inaccuracies they just run away or try to still argue the point, we are not always going to be right, so it is good to acknowledge when we make a mistake.
Big Respect