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Where the fack is it?

In reply to Banner

Holder, Hetmyer, and Hope. The three aitches!

Barbados got a fast bowler name Harding and Leewards and Windwards both have a Hodge...you feel them stand a chance?

..and there is still Chemar Holder. But then...wuh happen to Hemraj?

In reply to analyst-kid
Talent is there, is it being harnessed, are the players putting in the work?

In reply to analyst-kid

Hemraj did not make use of the opportunities. We need players who are hungry for success at the highest level.

In reply to openning

Where the talent opening? Where are the batsmen averaging 45 in regional cricket?

In reply to openning

What makes you think the talent is there??

Any young players DOMINATING dung heap??

Only talent of note I have seen is Hetmyer and he is flawed. At best will be a 20/20 superstar, needs a lot more to be successful in tests.

How many Cricket Academies are there
in the Region ???

How many Promising Youngsters are
receiving Proper Coaching ???

How many Former Great Players are
employed Coaching Young Promising
Players ???

The conundrum is this People :

HOW MUCH MONEY IS ALLOTTED TO

MAKING OUR PLAYERS COMPETITIVE IN

THE INTERNATIONAL CRICKET ARENA .

Those in the governance of West Indies Cricket fail to understand or
realize this Freaking Fact :

TO GET FINANCIAL SPONSORS , THEY

NEEDED TO MAKE OUR PLAYERS FULLY

COMPETITIVE IN THE INTERNATIONAL

CRICKET ARENA .

Now this is an Axiom , that has
seemingly eluded the Sensibilities
of those in the Governance of West
Indies Cricket and their Sycophants
in the Media .

It is their inability to fully understand this , why in My opinion ALL those in the governance of Cricket in the Region must be removed .

My perspective is that it is crystal clear that the WICBC/CWI has demonstrated that it has absolutely no attention of changing its Modus
Operandi .

QUITE FRANKLY TO MAKE MONEY

YOU HAVE TO SPEND MONEY . THIS

FACT HAS ELUDED THOSE IN THE

GOVERNANCE OF WEST INDIES CRICKET

FOR YEARS .

You cannot Teach Old Dogs New Tricks

Apparently the WICBC/CWI believes that
it is Anathema to employ former Great
Players .

IF WE WANT TO RESTORE WEST INDIES

CRICKET TO ITS GLORY DAYS , THEN

OUR FORMER GREAT PLAYERS MUST BE

EMPLOYED TO HARNESS & HONE THE

TALENTS OF OUR YOUNG PLAYERS .

THEY HAVE DONE THAT BEFORE SO THERE

IS ABSOLUTELY NO REASON WHY THEY

CANNOT REPEAT THAT FEAT .

There are sparks of Hope, no pun intended.

Then then there is a Hit, pun intended.

Thne then we have the Holder as our savior. And Chase as the lynchpin.

Roach. Angel. and the OT...seems well on track.

We do not have consistency, nor depth.

So when these guys don't perform there is a problem. They do not have the will to win.

There is and have been lots of talent overall.The selectors have always done a ridiculously inept job, players have been mismanaged, insularity has played a role as well.Players have been thrown in the deep end and then discarded after a few bad games while others have been persisted with incomprehensibly.Many more have been ignored after injury as well.
West Indies Players have seen the T20 money and the interest in West Indian flair from franchise teams and try their best to maneuver themselves to be recognized as T20 mercenaries.
Case in point Hemraj- the man get 4 games and now people calling for his head.The man was batting the "West Indian Way" that many say was the right way to approach the game.
Powell made 16 runs of 39 balls and was there for 17 overs.Are we going to drop him too? The management and staff make some calls that makes you wonder if there is any consensus or intelligent discussions before they are made. They dropped a batsman, brought in a bowler and were promptly bowled out for barely 100.Yet Holder, a brilliant player,, is tied down by his captaincy and dare not bat higher because of his so called role as a bowler, a bowler who bats a bit but he is much better than that.
West Indies have lost the plot long time and no way they will ever be a cricket power again.We die hard fans will get a victory now and then to keep us going

In reply to Banner


Talent is there, but the rest of the world talent is greater than the WI at the u19 level.

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy


u right on the money, our talented players are still behind others at the u19 level, we may produce 1 u19 talented player, but others are producing 4/5 players.
our 1 player take 6 years to become an international player, if he does.

In reply to tc1 U have a point there!

In reply to tc1

So how many years did it take Our
Players to become the best Team in the
shortest format of the game ?????

WHO WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR PLAYERS

IN THIS VERSION OF THE GAME WINNING

2 CONSECUTIVE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS IN

THIS FORMAT OF THE GAME ??????

Those Former Players are still alive
and I am sure if asked and their
financial requests are met they would willingly Assist .

It is from my perspective , all about whether those in the WICBC/CWI
would agree to Curb their oversized
Egos and do the Right Thing .

So I ask again, why isn’t this so called talent dominating dung heap??

Plenty hundreds and plenty wickets...?

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

Fuzz, we compete at the U19 level, even winning a WC.
You as a tennis fan, understand what it takes to be world class.
I follow the BCA, knows very little of local cricket in the Islands, the BCA and Clubs failed in the continuation of players, after the U19 level.
I'll give you an example.
Renaldo Parris was able to play for Maple for a number of years, without no-one pressuring him for a slot on the team.
Parris would be playing Intermediate cricket, in the early days of Maple.
Six semi pro teams in the Elite division and you will see the separation of the talent.

In reply to POINT

Any team can win 20/20 cricket,We don't have a large talent pool, the rest of the world is producing more talent than us.

In reply to tc1

How was it possible for Our Players,
in the shortest format of the game
were competitive to win 2 consecutive
World Championships .

That was not a Mirage ; and the answer
aint blowing in the Wind . It is staring ALL of us in our faces every
freaking Day .

The problem is that some seem to believe that it was a Mirage . The
stark fact is that it was not an
Optical Illusion , but to some they
perhaps think it was a Figment of their Imagination .

PROGRESS IN WEST INDIES CRICKET CAN

ONLY BECOME A REALITY IF AND WHEN

OUR FORMER GREAT PLAYERS ARE

INVOLVED TO SHARE THEIR EXPERIENCES

AND HARNESS & HONE THE TALENTS OF

OUR PLAYERS.

In reply to openning

we won 1 wc in 30 years, reach 1 final and a semi-final.We are not producing great u 19 talent, the rest of the world is producing more than us, we don't have a great regional set up any more.

There are many Parrises to day in bim and the region, if you have 6 semi-pro teams , you still have to develop an amateur system to feel the semi pro, if you don't have a great talent pool you have the same result.

In reply to tc1

You seem to be insinuating that Our Former Great Players were only good
in the shortest version of the game , which is totally untrue .

Quite frankly my opinion is that Players fully versed in the fundamentals of playing Cricket should
be able to play in all 3 Formats of the game .

It seems that You have wittingly or unwittingly under the impression that Our Former Players were only
proficient in the shortest version of the Game , when YOU damn well are
aware that THEY PLAYED ALL 3 VERSIONS of the Game .

Obviously then your assessment is
completely False . Apart from some Different Rules in the 3 versions of the Game , like duration , number of Overs etc .

In my opinion , any Good Cricketer
should be able to be successful in
ALL Versions of the Game . Our former Great Players won matches in all the formats of the game .

In reply to POINT

Simple, our T20 stars are in demand around the world, they are some of the best players in that format.
Thats why we won the two WC.

In reply to tc1

Dude, try following junior sports program in the states, you will see youngsters being sort after from high school, because of performance and potential..
I played cricket wit David Murray and Vincent Straker, Vincent was way ahead of David when batting, but David's keeping was second to none.
Vincent joined Empire, he could only make the Intermediate team.


The entire system is amateur, all needed is scouts, to get the best players drafted into the semi pro format.
David Holford, Tony Howard, Robin Bynoe, Seymour, Peter Lasley, Cammie Smith an others, were all part of a amateur system, these guys had to perform, because someone, would replace them.
We don't have the same system today.

In reply to openning

I find it very troubling that You
seem unable to state the fact that the skills of those Players were harnessed & honed by Our Former Great Players who were competitive in their Days in
ALL FORMATS OF THE GAME .

Now this as You very well know aint a Figment of My Imagination .There exists a lot of evidence to buttress
what I have stated .

When I look at the Stats of International Cricket Players and look at the number of first class matches in all formats of the game as opposed to Our current Players in those same formats of the game , the
disparity is very Stark .

It also informs me that those Teams
are & will be much more Competitive
than our Players in Cricket Matches.

In reply to Banner

Talent is & has previously been there.

But you need better strength and conditioning programs, pitches, facilities, coaching.

Marlon Samuels & Fidel Edwards were two of many raw talents who were picked for International cricket before they should have been & had to learn the game while playing at the highest level.

It was a Windies thing for years that once you hit your 30's they were lining you up for the chop so the next young player that's hit a few runs domestically could have his confidence knocked & flaws shown at International level before him too be dropped & not having the adequate resources to help them, then the same cycle would continue & repeat itself.

In reply to POINT

I will believe the above, when players, fans and coaches, come to your conclusion.
Can you name any of the former players, that take credit for the skills of players in the T20 format?

In reply to tc1

… disagree. Feel at that level there are structures in place to harness these talented U19s, not in the WIN'LESS!.

''Describe structure in place''

In reply to openning

u lost me here, what playing with these 2 guys have to do with the discussion .
let me tell you that scouts are involve in junior and high school, in fact they are scouting youngsters from the little league, the AAU is a feeder to college.
u have to have a talent pool and we do not have it anymore, it's dilute.

In reply to tc1

If you are a good U19 player, you can join any club, have an average career, and retain a slot, without competition.

So why don’t the so called talented bunch of players dominate the worst 1st class system in the cricketing world? (In terms of standard)

In reply to openning

As usual you are once again indulging
in Obfuscation .

WHY IS IT SO DIFFICULT FOR YOU TO

STATE THE FOLLOWING FREAKING FACTS :


FIRST OF ALL THE GENESIS OF THE

SHORTEST VERSION OF THE GAME IS THAT

THE WICBC/CWI ALLOWED AN AMERICAN TO

RUN THIS FORMAT OF THE GAME .


HE THEN HIRED OUR FORMER GREAT

PLAYERS TO RUN THIS FORMAT OF THE

GAME IN THE REGION .

In essence these Former Players organized & ran this format of the game .

IT WAS THEIR STEWARDSHIP THAT MADE

OUR PLAYERS IN THIS FORMAT OF THE

GAME WIN TWO CONSECUTIVE WORLD

CHAMPIONSHIPS .

I get the impression that You have an aversion to state this freaking fact . However YOU cannot dispute
this Freaking Fact .

THE ROT IN THIS FORMAT OF THE GAME

STARTED WHEN THE WORST INTERNATIONAL

CRICKET BOARD IN THE COMMONWEALTH

TOOK CONTROL OF THIS FORMAT OF THE

GAME .


PLEASE PROVIDE FACTUAL & CONCRETE

EVIDENCE THAT WHAT I HAVE STATED IS

UNTRUE .

In reply to POINT

Point that's your belief.
I will await Gayle, Bravo and others saying the same.

In reply to POINT

Man, it's bat and ball from the beginning to the end - I think we are putting too much sophistication in our cricket and that's wat stifling players!

All one needs to know is a bit of physics and how to keep fit!

Modernization spoiling Windies flare. Cricket is not a difficult game if one applies him or herself

Management can only pay but can't force players to apply themselves

In reply to XDFIX

Bro, cricket is not an amateur poor, like it was in the sixties.

In reply to XDFIX

All I am asking People to do is to
Compare the number of matches Our
Players have played , and compare them
to the number of matches their Opponents have played .

THE DIFFERENCE IS EXCEEDINGLY STARK !!

It informs me why our Players are
fighting an Uphill Battle , in ALL
FORMATS of the game .

LOOK WE USED TO BEAT BANGLADESH

REGULARLY , THAT AINT THE CASE

CURRENTLY . WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED??

In my opinion most International Cricket Boards spend more money making their Players fully competitive than the WICBC is doing .
I WANT ANYONE IN THIS FORUM TO

EXPLAIN TO ME WHY IS IT THAT

BANGLADESH IS RANKED ABOVE OUR TEAM;

WHEN SOMETIME AGO WE WERE BEATING

THEM REGULARLY .

I cannot and will never accept that
the cause of our Non Competitiveness
in the International Cricket Arena is solely due to Our Players .

That thinking is a Mountain of B.S .
The stark fact is that the mentality
of the people in the WICBC has not changed from the days when Our Teams
dominated International Cricket .

THE WICBC/CWI DO NOT THINK OR

BELIEVE THAT IT DEFINITELY HAS A

RESPONSIBILITY TO ENSURE THAT OUR

PLAYERS ARE FULLY COMPETITIVE IN THE

INTERNATIONAL CRICKET ARENA .

In the Glory Days of West Indies Cricket Our players were playing mainly in England ,so they were supremely fit , and their skills finely honed .

IN ESSENCE BY PLAYING CRICKET IN

ENGLAND AND ELSEWHERE , THEY WERE

ALWAYS FULLY FIT & THEIR SKILLS

FINELY HONED . ALL THE WICBC HAD TO

DO WAS TO SELECT THE TEAM .

However ALL THAT changed when the International Tour Scheduled changed ; and England decided to limit the number Overseas Players playing Cricket in England .

Then the ICC decided to change the
International Tour Schedule , no longer in Touring say England there
were many matches against the Counties .

MORE IMPORTANTLY OUR PLAYERS SKILLS

WERE FINELY HONED

In reply to openning

I get the impression that You deliberately relish feigning being Dumb .

The answer to your query obviously is
those Former Players who were in charge of the Regional 20/20 Tournament .

IT SURE HAS HELL WAS NOT THE WICBC .

THE WICBC FARMED THIS FORMAT OF THE

GAME TO AN AMERICAN ; WHO THEN HIRED

OUR FORMER GREAT PLAYERS TO BE

REGIONALLY IN CHARGE OF THIS VERSION

OF THE GAME .


DO YOUR CARE TO CHALLENGE THIS

FREAKING FACT ????