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In reply to doosra

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In reply to doosra

nedda dottie jester!!

Jen and Pacy couldn't stand the heat; therefore, they decided to "vamoose" out de kitchen.

In reply to doosra

Actually, Hope only making my words stand true. I said, the days of an "anchor" is long gone. The one who bats the time need to be able to score almost a run a ball. Why did we win today? Was it because Hope scored at 66 strike rate? No, he went at 100. If he did his usual, we woulda lose.

Kudos to him for picking it up since in India.

Bravo & Samuels slow scoring nearly cost us the game. Truth is, even a strike rate of 85 from Hope should have been sufficient today as it wasn't the best of batting pitch. Bravo & Samuels almost made it another losing ton.

Strike rate is important, Hope performing here only solidifies that point. So no shame here.

And i'll go on record again, the days of scoring at 60's and 70's long gone. We cannot afford to be burdened with Samuels and Bravo slow scoring. They need to do like Hope or pack up and go.

Developing a winning team isn't about one man. If you fraid to take risks, one day Cricket is not for you. Shai Hope took risks today, played shots that couple months ago you wouldn't have seen him attempting. This is what modern one day Cricket is all about.

Take Virat Kohli as an example. In test cricket, he rarely takes the aerial route. In ODI Cricket, Kohli will have no second thoughts about going aerial!!

Strike rate matters!!

And also, I mentioned Shai Hope should open in the sub continent. What you all saying about that one eh?

I don't watch Cricket blindly base on nationality!!! It was just pure common sense. You have a team with openers failing, a team of a good bit of potential middle order bat. Ambris ain't play and Pooran not even in the squad. Why not push one to open. And who better than Shai, who times the ball well. Once you have a good timer opening in ODI cricket, you can really capitalise, cause they take less risk and will still score runs. Hope is usually a good starter, his strike rate usually falls back after 15+ balls. Why not give him the whole power play?

Cricket is brains... rarely purely talent that wins!!

In reply to jen

As I said before, stroke players will outperform hitters, Shai and Darren will up their scoring rates.

You are all over the place here, you comments were than Hety and Ambris are natural 1D players and that Shai and Darren cannot improve their SR above 65.

Samuels,Bravo and Shai are stroke players and will outperformed the hitters as their innings progressed.
WI needs all type of batsmen to compete.You are one of the posters that understand the game , so I is ok

In reply to tc1

You're telling lies on me. I never said Shai & Bravo can't improve above 65 SR. You all trying all how to make me look bad when i'm the visionary here.

Shai Hope has done exactly what I said is needed to win ODI cricket. Let me say it again, would a strike rate of 66 won us the game yesterday? It took 100 strike rate to get us over the line.

My thing was always this, if he can't up his strike rate, he should be drop!! He has up his strike rate and look how amazing it has turned out to be. Don't you think Shai himself feel better now? Isn't it working better for the team now?

I'll say it again, I mentioned that Hope should open in Asia. Some bajans on here say why put him to open when he failed there as an opener in test cricket. Ah tell them test and ODI's different, a good timer of the ball always make a quality opener in ODI cricket plus it would give him a chance to make good on the strike rate. Shai usually starts ok, its when the middle overs come is when he usually slow down so the power plays is a good chance to get a head start.

So, you all can try twist and turn all how you want.

Shai Hope didn't get it done with no 66 strike rate. In India and Yesterday, it was all 84+. He did a 91 and we tied that game. So what would 66 have achieved.

There is no room for no "anchor" man in modern Cricket who just keep wicket from tumbling at one end. That person who occupies the crease have to be capable of accelerating.

Shai Hope took risks last night, something he wouldn't have attempted months ago. So tell me, don't you think Shai Hope has realised that scoring at 66 does the team no benefit (well either him or coach)?

I'll say it again, we ain't getting anywhere with 3 slow players in the side. Thankfully, it only seem like is 2 now.

Bravo & Samuels gotta up it or go - no two ways about it.

The other day, SA were 60/3 from about 17 overs or so. Faf & Miller buss the way to 330. Who played anchor?

Partner, aryo need to get real. Why you think all of a sudden, Jason Holder start talking about 300 scores? There are occasions when less than 300 would work, like that pitch last night. More times than not, you need around 300 to compete these days.

Aryo need to wheel and come again.

In reply to jen

[i]You're telling lies on me. I never said Shai & Bravo can't improve above 65 SR. You all trying all how to make me look bad when i'm the visionary here.
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if someone can retrieve the tape, you will see, stroke players are the dominated in ODI not bashers. everyone knows that 325 is par these days.

In reply to tc1

So how are we going to make 325 with strike rates of 66? Please tell me how? So why you all bashing me for saying Hope should up his rate or get drop (same for Bravo & Samuels)? You all cussing me for stating what Hope is actually doing now.

If the thread can be retrieved, it would show I say Shai should up his strike rate or be dropped from the team as those kinda strike rate can't win you ODI cricket these days. I never said he CAN'T up his strike rate. There is a massive difference in those words!

Take Darren Bravo, very savage hitter of a Cricket ball. You think hitting is Bravo problem? It's not, Bravo just don't think it necessary for him to take that risk when batting for Windies. Most West Indians can beat ball (maybe with the exception of Kraigg lol) so it would be foolish to think that they can't do it.

Hope SR was around 66/67 before India series, Bravo 69/70. I think Samuels about 75. An average strike rate of 70 means the team only making 210. According to your par score, that's 115 shy of it. So tell me, how can we win ODI cricket have those guys bat from 3-5? It's why I always say, there is no room for 3 of them. At most is one, and even with one, 66 still won't cut it. Nobody plays cricket like that anymore.

Everyone know Lil B can smack a ball....

In reply to jen

So dem skunt like call out people for sound reasoning.

In reply to jen

Your reasoning is impeccable as usual. Ignore the 'patriots'.

In reply to jen
You are too nuanced for many on here.

In reply to jen

I like your sound argument but I do not agree!!

First of all, class is class and a cowlasher would soon be found out, even if he ketch some good blows in in a couple games.
A class batsman (like me and Samuels ) usually need a bit of time to get settled in then when we seeing the football sized cricket ball, we can play all kinds of shots, in the books and out.
A class batsman has the capacity to play many more scoring shots rather than a Pooran.There is room for the lashers after the 40th over. The class batsmen should keep it going (agree at a decent pace) for the team to afford (enuff wickets) to blast off after the 40th with the hitters/lashers. If the solid bats cannot get it done, they will get out going for the boundaries/sixes at full throttle, and the team can afford to lose them as the lashers will come in playing one game. I hit you miss or vice versa.
"Class" batsmen should learn to, what's the euphemism, "rotate the strike". Instead of a straight forward defensive to a spinner, just angle the bat to leg, like Sarwan and many Asians, or off, third man, etc.
Taking infield singles forces the fielders to creep up and then it is easier to pierce the field with boundaries from genuine strokes without need to lash.
Any professed batting coach can work with the guys on this.

I haven't followed but how many real competitive cricket matches has Bravo played in recently? He is rusty, has been ketching cobweb and tetanus but killing Sarge's back street team headlined in the T$T.
An astute, experienced guy would understand the need for that and not expect the tetanus man to come in straight away and conquer the world. Patience is required.
Samuels has played some nice innings after very slow starts, but the fast food masses always call for his head even as he is trying to build an innings. I don't know if he is over the hill. Then that is a different story. I haven't watched him.

In three words: Class is class....and will prevail.
The great Sobers once said..... basically that a good cricketer can play in any format if he has the skills.

I support Hetmyer opening the batting. He is not just a lasher although he acts like that and the crowd cheer wildly. He could be a Sehwag type. Gayle? They have succeeded.
With his aggression and propensity to fly in the air, will do well in power play with few fielders available in the outfield to catch him. He could bang uo 10-15 runs an over easy in the opening few overs.

In reply to goof

Well said Goofie, stroke players e.g Samuels , Shai and Bravo will outplay hitters, it is amazing how men do not own what their posted.

Jen's second argument was that Ambris and Hety were natural One day players, they are , but Shai , Samuels and Bravo are well suited to this game, they can create shot to maneuver the field with singles as well as striking the boundaries.
Shai's SR this year is above above 90, Bravo has just returned to the game, his SR will increased as he readjust to the game.

In the past Samuels has performed equally to the lasher Gayle without losing his shape, batsmen in the 1-5 positions must be able to bat 25 overs setting the stage for the finishers.

In reply to tc1

At least one person agree with me that life is not fast food alone, but is nice to have, maybe a full course in 10X10 or 5X5, probably 20X20 but strokeplayers did well in that long format.
Shaun Marsh was tearing tail in IPL years ago as a no namer. Now looks like a solid middle order in the test side. Class is class and can adapt to any format, not lashers.

Nah man! Imagine when WI could not bat out their overs. I say go solid and steady till 35-40 overs, gradually increasing the tempo.
Lash like crazy in last 5-10 overs. Nobody will fault them then for getting out, even a Boycott type staged run out.
In higher class competition, there will not be lampy pampy bowling. Will need all the technical skills to negotiate the Aussies, SAffies, English, Indian, Pakistani strong, classy bowling. Even NZ, Afghan and others.

In reply to jen

Hope is a proven failure opening.