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In reply to sgtdjones

Darn it!!! Don't tell me Angel don't know to read.

In reply to runout

This is nothing to do with reading. This is what happens to most Caribbean people don’t know their working rights and we don’t try to know what is their rights. First he should have done was speak to his union rep which would be WIPA and if he is not part of WIPA she should have spoke to a sports lawyer or a employment lawyer.

In reply to jigsy72

Agreed!

How can I attach my signature to something that I read and didn't agree with? What will compel me to do so? This is not about rights...this is about integrity.

Does Angel not have a rep?

And what is the point of WIPA if it doesn't represent the interest of the players?

In reply to runout

But to be fair to WIPA it’s him who should contact his union rep. He would have told management I will have to speak to my union rep before I sign it. We need to
Be more wiser when it comes to stuff like this.

In reply to runout

You forgot that WIPA is a division of CWI.

In reply to sgtdjones

That does not come in it’s their union association. So they should be helping the players as they are part of the organisation of WIPA. You have to be a member or you go get legal advice from a employment lawyer.

In reply to jigsy72

Agreed. But,

Say WIPA was a true union- as it was prior to Hinds. And say Gabriel did go to them, you know what CWI and their fans would accuse Gabriel of? And that would start a whole new round of finding ways for Gabriel to be punished leading to an end of his career

In reply to Emir

I understand but you have to look at the big picture. WIPA is collecting their money maybe each month as their union rep. So it’s their responsibility to act on the players who are part of it. Maybe WIPA need to come in and educate the squad about their responsibilities. It’s not just contract as some people think a union is responsible for.

In reply to sgtdjones

Who is the manager of the WI team?


Garner?

In reply to Narper

Must be a bajan yeh?

smart move,

accept the punishment, explain your side of the story and let this all blow over

if he was to fight this then he'd be making this a better deal than it already is

the best to do is to make sure that it doesnt escalate further

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

That Nsrper fellow got f by a bajan

In reply to conman

I can tell you as a union rep he could have fight the case without been ban. The problem is him signing the letter accepting guilt. They are the one coming with the charges they should present their evidence and then I defend it. Not me defending myself without they come up with the charges and their evidence. He sign accepting his guilt then how can you go and defend it when you already said yes I am guilty. What was said was not fully homophobic but the British press took over the case and makes it into s mountain. And the team manager I think is Rawlle Lewis

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

Jul 17, 2016
ESPNcricinfo staff

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Is he the manager or not?

Why are you so defensive?

In reply to tc1

You got f by many muddies

In reply to Narper

Since Mount Gay distillery burn dong

Fuzzy in a bad mood.

Offered to send him some Old Oak but he say
he wants he watered dong Mount gay first.




Rawl Lewis is the Manager

In reply to jigsy72

But why fight it?

For the sake of his career as a public persona, wouldnt it be better to mitigate any more damage?

In reply to runout

He had seen from close quarters on what happens to people who do not agree to CWI management... He might have thought ICC punishment would be much smaller than what CWI would have given for dissent

In reply to Pacy

Or he might have recognized the mistake

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

u can tell he did with his follow up response,

he knew what he said poked root a wrong way, and mitigated it with his repose

Let me tell you why he signed that letter. Because a certain member of management at CWI wrote to him and unreservedly asked him to sign that letter or else face the consequences. That is standard practice at CWI. Players HAVE no rights. And do not mention WIPA, they are breaching many terms of their representation rights of players as we speak. That is why most of the senior team are not WIPA members because WIPA are in bed with CWI.

During last year's camp in Dubai players got asked to sign their contracts despite Holder trying to talk to management about aspects of the contracts he did not agree with (those contracts were due in July but only given to players in September while they were in camp in Dubai, giving them little to no time to even consider the terms) they were told to sign or else they would be withdrawn from touring. So, no surprises here regarding Shannon and his signed letter under duress.

We could a win every series from now on, the board still full crap!

In reply to conman

No he should have fight it. From today by accepting the charge he is now brand as homophobic because he accept the charge. It doesn’t change anything because he said yes I said it and I am guilty. He should have fight it because it’s his word again Root, there was no evidence of what he said. Plus remember the match referee had said before there was no case there for him to answer to. ICC change their mind after the British press and groups started to get involved. West Indians should stop thinking it’s better to just accept this and save time. This is going to forever be on his record.

In reply to jigsy72

Did harbhajan's monkey episode forever define him as a racist?

Okay smartassed sad sack and Napsack

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
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Mount Gay Fuzzy

Saint Gabriel was given a choice

By the Manager Rawl Lewis

Plead Guilty

We will get you legal counsel Cheffette sudden.

Gabriel chose the lesser of two evils.

In reply to conman

Yes it does. If you google it I am sure it does. Plus he is from India we as what they considered a smaller country there is a different rule for us. What I am trying to explain is we need to stop accepting every decision and sometimes fight it. We are too easy to give up and hate fighting for our rights. The law is there to protect us and we should use it. How can you tell me that after the day play the match referee met Shannon and it was decided that there was nothing to answer to but as soon as the media and press in uk pick it up he is charge. Do you think if he was English or Indian this would have happened. My answer is no but we the small country should start having backbones and day show me your proof where there were none. It’s his against mine which I dot think Root said what happened because if you noticed it was just speculation was going on

In reply to jigsy72

and the beauty of being a small nation is that when we have controversies they can be forgotten easily.

What ur saying is, no shannon, dont brush this away, fight this b/c i think you can win?
It was already determined that he broke his agreement about offensive language, why fight it more?

In reply to sgtdjones

Pertaining your comment about the manager of what he may have told Shannon. What he should have done to recommend shannon to get better advice because I am sure he does not have the legal capacity to help him fight a charge. I work in a school environment and yes there are times your manager will tell you do this but it’s you as a person who should know i will speak to my union rep. I am not trying to bash the manager but he does not know everything when it comes to stuff like this. Nothing is wrong getting a proper and second advice.

In reply to sgtdjones

Tell that to Narpsack

In reply to conman

My point is there is no proof of Shannon saying what was alleged to be said. Remember not even the tv caught him and again by reading the language that was used. Do you consider it to be homophobic ? I would say this is what I call Total PC, this language was not in any way homophobic. I would consider it to be bad taste trying to sledge someone. If that’s how he sledge then he needs plenty help plus yes he should have just concentrate on bowling. If he was warn about future conduct I would have said yes they are right.

In reply to jigsy72

Yes, but you are looking at this as a legal fight, and literally all the important parties just want this to be done and dusted. Shannon knows what was said, so did root and the umpires What u are saying is like those slimy lawyers that just want to win, the important parties are in agreement of the situation.

Shannon said something, Joe found it offensive, he made it clear he found it offensive, shannon responded in a proper manner that he didnt mean to be disrespectful, but at that point he already said the offense. Done, take the penalty, call it quit, he still has a career.

In reply to conman

Yes Root find it offensive but again let Root bring the proof of me disrespectfing anybody. Remember it’s Roots opinion against mine. I am not saying fighting in court but he shout have ask for an hearing that’s all I am saying. Remember icc brought a grievance against him so they should be coming with the evidence not you just going and accept it. Sometimes you have to look at the bigger picture and say guys this is the second things that happened to the team in a week because England lost the series that they thought they were going to win easily

There is nothing to apologize for, i wouldn't facting apologize..

In reply to jigsy72

Hearing?

Level heads are prevailing and yall not happy about it.

I Would rather be a free man in my grave than live like a poppet or a slave.

Root is the one that mis-spoke, he should've said, "there is nothing normal in being gay"...Full stop, end of story.

This is professional sports & we are in 2019...alyuh chill with the homophobic atmosphere. JR is what he is...captain of the English cricket team...he happens to live the gay life style...the man is a professional & didnt make any antiman passes at anyone...however, I think he was deliberate in eliciting that reaction from Shannon.

In reply to BeatDball

How you know Root follows a gay lifestyle?

In reply to conman

Level head what are you talking about. If Shannon do anything in another year or so he have 8 demerit points take that into consideration sir. If you read into what the young man wrote he was just told by his manager you must just sign it and accept that you do wrong. It’s common sense chief not going around like we are this holy country that don’t give trouble or we will just let people walk all over us. It’s time as Caribbean people we stand up for what is right and stop this crap that oh we will just accept it and get over the problem. It could come back to haunt the guy down the line if he is to get into another problem