There's a great young crop of fast bowlers coming through the region. It's very exciting times ahead of us O Thomas,A Joseph,Chemar Holder,K Harding,Ray Jordan,O McCoy,O Smith,R Leveridge,J Levy. Am I missing somebody..
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Young windies fast bowlers
2019-03-01 15:17:54
2019-03-01 16:33:04
In reply to Mbappe
Sherman Lewis and Keemo Paul
2019-03-01 16:46:19
In reply to Mbappe
Leveridge is 28.
2019-03-01 16:52:37
I like Joseph and Paul. Thomas has pace but doesn't do much with the ball. Joseph will be a handful once he fills out
2019-03-01 19:19:49
In reply to WICFan
So 28 is old now? 
2019-03-01 19:23:59
In reply to Scar
For a fast bowler starting his career yes it is.
2019-03-01 19:37:59
In reply to Scar
16 West Indian fast bowlers took 100 or more test wickets.The oldest made their debuts at 24-Ambrose, Gabriel and Garner.The others were 23 and younger, the youngest being Jerome Taylor who was 19
2019-03-01 19:51:34
In reply to Dukes
Leveridge came to prominence at age 26 but started playing the game seriously about age 24!
With good coaching and a bit of understanding of physics, he can play catch up and become good!
Cricket is not rocket science!
2019-03-01 20:00:32
In reply to Dukes
That may be so for WI cricket, but I am sure in WI cricket and other Test teams there were older debuts. I think N Phillip was 30 and his 9 Tests 28 wickets aint bad. Besides dem ones below 25 seen to be bodily immature and bruk dung each series. Taylor bruk dung, Roach, Joseph, Gabriel, King, Fidel, Lee, Bond etc all seemed to have physical issues shortly after their debut series or during. Maybe getting geared up for Test and aiming for age 26/27 aint that bad. I think Andy said he was at his physical strongest between age 25 and 30.
2019-03-01 23:37:00
In reply to XDFIX
He also has the physical gifts that make him stand out. How often do you see a 2m tall 90mph bowler. He certainly can make into the side if he's focused and remain injury free. One example I can give is Dirk Nannes who started playing at 28.
2019-03-01 23:42:08
In reply to Dukes
Lewis and Paul are bowling at friendly pace. If Paul turns into a genuine all-rounder then it's acceptable but for an opening bowler both of them are quite innocuous.
2019-03-02 01:56:33
In reply to Mbappe
Glenn McGrath was also bowling at "friendly pace".
2019-03-02 02:19:26
In reply to Mbappe
For goodness sakes... mcgrath, philander, holder,vass, anderson in his current incarnation, ... and so on.
2019-03-02 02:21:29
In reply to Dukes
McGrath is 6'5''
K Paul 5'9'' height is another important factor. Holder is also medium pace but he is tall and hence effective.
2019-03-02 02:28:19
In reply to mittheimp
Anderson can still touch 140k, anyway I'm talking about genuine quicks.
2019-03-02 02:50:13
In reply to Mbappe
Did you see Paul bowling in the 3rd test vs England? If you did you would not be implying that he is not effective. He beat the bat practically every over and on a good day would have taken 4 or 5 wickets in the first innings. Paul is a genuine swing bowler.
2019-03-02 02:52:22
Two more cricket myths!
- 28 years old is is OLD for a fast bowler
- Between 80 to 85 mph is friendly pace
2019-03-02 02:54:39
In reply to Dukes
I did, and I also saw him bowl in India where he looked hopeless. My point is that he is a good support bowler but I won't be giving him the new ball. You must've seen what happened to Sam Curran.
2019-03-02 03:48:22
McGrath was NOT friendly pace, not for the first 300 wickets or so he took...at least that;s what i can recall
that man had some nip and some pace
yall doh rewrite history
is this friendly pace? that was 2006, almost what 10 years into his career?
2019-03-02 05:52:49
In reply to Mbappe
Lewis and Paul are bowling at friendly pace.
Same friendly pace as Waqar, Akram, Kallis, Philander and company. That new Pakistan bowler that's getting plenty of wickets bowls at an even friendlier pace.
2019-03-02 06:36:57
In reply to Larr Pullo
- 28 years old is is OLD for a fast bowler
Nobody said that.
I said that 28 years is old for somebody to be starting to be considered for a test career and then showed that of the 16 fast bowlers who took 100 test wickets the oldest age any of them started their test careers was 24.
2019-03-02 06:41:44
In reply to Scar
So 28 is old now?
When you're comparing him to the likes of Chemar Holder & Keemo Paul, yes.
He's only a couple of years younger than Roach and there was people saying he's past his best and wanted Thomas to play ahead of him.
2019-03-02 06:58:09
In reply to Norm
Are you suggesting Paul and Lewis are bowling as quick as waqar. You are living in a different world man.
Hell even Kallis was much quicker than these guys. please don't make such bogus arguments. I'm not even saying they are bad bowlers.
They just don't excite me as others on the list.
2019-03-02 07:04:16
In reply to Norm
Along with Donald, Waqar was the fastest bowler of the 90s
Wasim was the fastest on either side when Pak toured windies in late 80s.
Philander and Abbas are great but would you consider them better than steyn or Rabada or even bumrah.
2019-03-02 07:19:36
Hola...who will coach these speedsters?Where will they ply their trade???..On a beach???Condition/nutrition/focus/fitness level/concentration...who teaches that???
We are not playing enough cricket in the region..we have piss poor management and coaches at all the regional boards and representative regional teams...
We want a Mcgrath or a Marshall but it aint gonna happen...
and lastly who will they emulate????
Line and length...and speed will come automatically if you have it in you...
I feel for these speedsters as there is ZERO support or HOPE for them...
Adios
CB
2019-03-02 08:36:45
In reply to WICFan and not that good.
2019-03-02 08:38:30
In reply to Mbappe
My point is that "quick" is nothing without bowling skill. Abbas, Philander, James Anderson, Broad, and even Roach, etc, make that clear - to all but someone who lives in a fantasy world in which accomplished batsmen are scared of, or vulnerable to, straight quick bowling.
Waqar and Akram usually bowled about 80-85 mph - the best pace at which to swing the ball.
2019-03-02 08:38:32
In reply to Scar aiming to debut at those ages, not looking to start bowling at that age. Can he catch up?
2019-03-02 08:40:18
In reply to Norm a guess they saying you caan teach pace, but you can the other stuff.
2019-03-02 08:51:38
In reply to natty_forever
you caan teach pace
True, you can't "teach pace", or the right bowling attitude.
Marshall (another guy who usually bowled in the mid-80's) had the right attitude, but Gabriel (a natural quick) does not.
2019-03-02 10:28:11
In reply to Norm
Most of the guys you mentioned had ability to bowl seriously quick and were/are very skillful. You can't compare them to Keemo Paul and Sherman Lewis at least not yet.
It's not about the pace you operate at, It's about the ability to go up a notch when you smell blood. For that You've got to have that extra oomph.
Marshall bowled in mid 80s but he but he could bowl 90mph when needed.
2019-03-02 12:54:58
Well, today's match must've shown the value of pace. I wonder if a trundler would've gotten those wickets.
2019-03-04 14:01:18
Romario Shepherd is picking wickets in 4 day games how good is he?
2019-03-04 14:24:01
In reply to Mbappe
Marginally faster than Paul but does not do much with the ball. Poor run up and rhythm and depends on shoulder strength. Will not do much at International level.
2019-03-04 14:27:10
Keemo is the real deal. Made the English batsmen looked at sea.
2019-03-04 15:45:54
In reply to XDFIX
Cricket is not rocket science!
… a who fool you???
2019-03-04 15:47:31
In reply to Norm … I tend to think Malcolm bowled a bit faster than that. Them guns back then had issues. Plus look at Gabriel now to when he began, seems to be learning.
2019-03-04 16:36:59
Marshall was very quick in the early to mid 80’s... much quicker than 85mph ..he was considered as the successor to Michael Holding as the quickest bowler in the world.
2019-03-06 12:41:47
Who should be preferred for world cup Thomas or Gabriel? What do you guys think...
2019-03-06 13:14:50
In reply to Mbappe
Both
2019-03-07 05:07:56
Then who should be out from current squad...
2019-03-07 05:24:51
In reply to natty_forever & Mbappe
I tend to think Malcolm bowled a bit faster than that. Them guns back then had issues.
Maco was indeed capable of speed that belied his rather small stature, but most of the time he preferred to swing it at between 80 and 85 mph.
We speculate on the effectiveness of speed alone, as in, "Bowler X would take more wickets if he had greater pace", but let's look at those who could bowl both good pace and spin - like Sobers, and those who could spin the ball well.
If pace were indeed such a critical wicket-taking factor, why did Gary Sobers choose to bowl SPIN so often as he did, even after he became a very effective fast bowler?
And, why is it that Warne and Kumble have more wickets - much more - than any fast bowler?
2019-03-07 06:15:11
In reply to Mbappe
Innocuous you say?
Chaminda Vaas was how tall or should I say how short???
Young Keemo am am hearing seams and swings the ball and is one of the brightest prospects we have in the fast bowling.
I wish he would be careful for and developed nicely
2019-03-07 14:22:05
In reply to InHindsight
Sorry to disappoint you...
But I don't get hyped by seeing Keemo bowl
As far as Vaas is concerned he became a good bowler after developing reverse swing which we don't see these days and he also had the greatest spinner bowling at the other end.
2019-03-07 14:35:18
In reply to Norm
Spin and military medium are different things.
They don't require similar amount of skills.
A bowler who bowls at 75 mph would certainly be better off bowling spin.
Pace doesn't come naturally to everyone, it is the most exciting part of cricket.
If spin is such a great weapon why didn't ian bishop bowl spin he would've had a much longer career and less injuries.
By your logic all bowlers should start bowling spin because it is more effective and it doesn't cause career threatening injuries. Why put your body through so much pain.
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