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May defeated again

 
Chrissy 2019-03-12 15:27:32 

Reject 391 - accept 242

 
camos 2019-03-12 15:31:02 

In reply to Chrissy

if she try two more times she will win based on the increase!

lol

 
mikesiva 2019-03-12 15:57:40 

In reply to Chrissy

Another massive thrashing
lol

 
SnoopDog 2019-03-12 16:02:09 

In reply to Chrissy

Why don't they just give up on the whole Brexit thing and done with it?

It was already proven the whole referendum was a sham and the 'yes' voters were lied to by the right wing Russian trolls.

 
VIX 2019-03-12 16:49:45 

there'll never be an acceptable deal!

election call yet?

 
mikesiva 2019-03-12 16:56:10 

In reply to VIX

Labour has called for a General Election

May running scared from a GE, because she knows the Tories will get crushed!
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RJR Beyond the Headlines discussing this after 6pm Jamaica time....

 
mikesiva 2019-03-29 11:33:56 

In reply to camos

She tried again, and on that same principle, was hoping to do better....
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She did do better, but still got thrashed!

Lost 286-344...a margin of 58 this time.

 
Chrissy 2019-03-29 17:01:26 

In reply to mikesiva
here's a great read- May and Trump

In both cases, it’s the same sad boringly predictable answer. The people who want to stop it are a majority within the country, and they might be a majority within the Legislative branch, but they are not a majority within the Governing Party. While the minority Party, which does have a (large) majority in favour of stopping the whole shit-parade, is a MINORITY, with a small minority of members within it (some of them in pretty senior posts) who don’t really want to stop it. It can’t force or win a vote to stop anything without substantial crossover support from members of the Governing Party, and the members of the Governing Party who think it should be stopped will not give that support unless they absolutely and unavoidably have to in order to save their own skins. They won’t even loan their votes to slowing it down unless they’re face to face with a sharp-fanged decision-point that they can’t avoid, and as soon as that vote has taken place it’s straight back into Line of Battle and clocks are reset to zero.
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How did seeing through Brexit/protecting Trump become unchallengeable Party policy? Well, that’s the result of decisions made earlier. They put themselves in this position through being half as smart and twice as cowardly as they thought they were. In the case of the Tory Party it was the decision to put a referendum on E.U. membership into its 2015 manifesto in order to finally lance the boil of Europhobic bastardy and give the slightly less insane leadership room to move on the European stage, a decision which blew up in Cameron’s face when the national vote of his Liberal-Democrat Coalition partners (who he was banking on to veto the idea of a referendum for him once they returned to office) completely cratered and the Tories actually became a majority Government with an obligation to meet their manifesto promises. While for the Republicans it was the decision to go all-in on Total Obstruction and White Power in the face of Obama’s tyrannical melanin levels, which led directly to the popularity amongst GOP Primary voters of the Birther-in-Chief and the mainstreaming of his brand of sneering, liberal-baiting racism.

Once those twin errors had achieved electoral ‘success’ the Parties were trapped within the ideological cages they represented. Cameron had to have a Referendum, the GOP had to have Trump as their candidate. Both were destructive decisions based at their inception on maintaining internal party-political unity at all costs, screw the greater good, but both were errors the respective Party leaderships thought they could get away with once the voting public – rather than the extremists within the Party electorate – got a good look at the reality of what they were offering. No one would be stupid enough to actually vote Leave/elect Trump, would they?
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In the end the loudest shouters won. And while their shocked enablers in the establishment media turned all of their time and energy towards sending expeditions of bead-and-button carrying urban sophisticates out into the Wild to bring back precious recordings of the sacred ways and eternal truths underpinning the unspoilt, rough-hewn and not-at-all racist Homo Sal-in-Terra cultures who had delivered these electorally narrow but also – in a sensuously metaphysical sense that just flicked the hell out of every savvy, everything you know is wrong bean in the infotainment industry – somehow incredibly portentous and paradigm-shifting victories at the polls for White Suprema…(Editor’s Note – Are you sure you meant to say this?) …..Working-Class Populism, the Parties found themselves lumbered with the job of translating the cut-and-pasted ravings of comment section misanthropes into national and international policy. The ambitious and the deeply stupid flocked forward to take up the challenge, while the guilty sloped away to hurriedly change their shoes and deny in indignant tones any responsibility whatsoever for tracking bull-shit over the nation’s creamy carpets.

 
che 2019-03-29 18:29:18 

In reply to Chrissy

Nedda Brexit vote??? Poms doan wanna divorce Brussels...fuss referendum ah fluke...#doit over

lol lol lol

 
mikesiva 2019-03-30 07:01:42 

In reply to Chrissy

That's absolutely right...Cameron told EU folks not to worry about his election pledge, because when he got back into coalition with the Lib Dems, they'd veto a referendum. However, he didn't realise how much the very racist anti-EU voters would mobilise in his favour, and actually give him a majority in 2015. With pressure from his own anti-EU Tory backbench MPs, he felt he had no choice but to hold a referendum, which he bizarrely campaigned in vain against! You can't make this up....
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So, what happens next?

May's deal got most votes, but lost by a large margin...286-344 = 58

On Monday, MPs need to work on the indicative votes that lost on Thursday with the smallest margins:

Clarke's customs union 264-272 = 8
Confirmatory referendum 268-295 = 27
Labour Brexit plan 237-307 = 70
Norway model 188-283 = 95

If May's deal went from a margin of 149 to 58 between the 2nd & 3rd votes, then what could Clarke amendment (margin 8 ), Referendum (27) and Labour's plan (70) get on 2nd vote?