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New coach and chief of selectors to be announced shortly

In reply to Walco

Good

In reply to Chrissy

The new President is rewarding those who voted for him. I heard a rumor recently that the BCA vote was split, which might explain the new coach. The Yardies will be happy with the new chief of selectors

In reply to Walco

But this isn't about Bim or Grenada or Trinidad or Jamaica individually but about all are "wi" collectively called the West Indies so when you speak of Bim vote split and Yardies being happy it simply conveys an insular tone.

The removal of Browne is a necessary, I can think of no selector who has been so arrogant, inept, nasty towards fans and timid towards Cameron.

In reply to Emir

You are preaching to the choir boss. I have a dream that CWI one day will be such a well run organization that Presidents will come and go without the need to make wholesale changes. But sadly this is not our reality. Don't forget that Dave also rewarded those who voted for him six years ago.

BTW, I do not share your views about Browne. I have met and spoken with him and he did not come across as arrogant or inept. I actually like the policy of selecting a core group of talented young men and giving them good runs instead of the usual chopping and changing. I don't know about Browne being nasty towards fans either. He was not nasty towards me. Actually he was friendly and engaging. But elections have consequences ...

In reply to Walco

When people are in charge of something so subjective (like selecting a cricket team) if their views don't coincide with "mine" then "I" label them and ascribe to them all sorts of negative traits.... as my good friend Emir has done in his post above.

there was no need to remove Brung at this moment or the coach for that matter, based on recent performance we could wait until the end of July/August.

In reply to newdread

Emir has a short fuse and a quick trigger finger

In reply to Walco

GOOD RIDDANCE TO BAD RUBBISH!!

Total fumigation!

Hunte gone! Hillaire gone! Sammy gone Cameron gone! Windies gone! Pybus gone! Browne gone!

A new day is dawning and the ancien regime has been obliterated!

Now they just need to come and get Wavell Hinds, to refresh the atmosphere to ensure a really new dispensation is at hand, and a less toxic climate around West Indies cricket

In reply to jacksprat

Are you suggesting that the new President is doing something more significant than rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic?

So far yes!

If he continues on his present charted course I will have to readjust my opinion.

When facts change so will my opinion!

In reply to jacksprat

What about Jimmy ..?

In reply to tc1

I had forgotten about him !

From what I have heard, he is supposed to be one of the good guys, but who know?

In reply to jacksprat

Ok folks, let's see who can guess the identity of the new Chief of Selectors. My one and only hint -- he's from the land of wood and water

In reply to Walco

Jimmy Adams...

I also hear Bramble getting selected for WC too...

In reply to Elsie

Not Adams. I have not heard about Bramble but Guyana voted for Dave and you know how politics go in WI cricket.

In reply to newdread

Exactly. That is what I don't understand about a number of persons here. They don't seem to allow for differences in opinion.

In reply to Walco

The problem here is that there is a WC coming up in two months and a team has to be selected in a matter of days.

The current selection panel would have had a plan (whether you agree with it or not) and would have been “actively” looking at players over the past few months. Team selection for the recent tournaments were related to team selection for the WC (again, whether you agree or not).

So now, a new chair (and perhaps a new panel) may have to select the WC squad. Have they been watching and following cricket as closely as the current panel? Do they know the players as well as the current panel?

Well in my humble opinion, Browne has been improving. I think with the yoke of Cameron removed from his neck, he will continue to improve.

In reply to natty_forever

He was comprised by Cameron and hence should never be allowed to be a selector again

In reply to pariaman … I would not be that harsh, especially knowing DD style.

A selector who allows himself to be compromised cannot be trusted he will be removed

In reply to Walco

Walsh?

Robert Haynes is back as a selector and may well become Chief Selector.

I believe Simmons stated that Brown picked the team that he wanted regardless of input from the coaches. Does not seem right to me
He should be replaced just for that attitude

In reply to JOJO
I happen to share your concerns and I think they will be aired at length during the meeting today. I do not know if the entire panel will be replaced but I am hearing that Browne will be replaced by a Yardie. At least this proposal will be made to the board today. I would expect that the existing group of selectors already had a squad in mind.

In reply to grugru

Correction he picked the teams that Dave wanted.

He allowed things besides cricket to determine selection

He must go !

In reply to Walco

who is making the proposal to the board ?

In reply to grugru

In reply to Str8_Drive

Good question

In reply to grugru

is this a new practice?

In reply to camos

Walshie got other wuk man ...

Brung was never a popular guy, but of late he seems to be heading in the right direction, it is very disruptive at this time to change the panel.

In reply to Walco

"In fact, under Courtney Browne, team selection processed was changed whereby he made all the final decisions on the composition of the team and said that is how it was. It did not matter the captain or the coach ideas. The impression given was that this was a new directive from on top and the team was named by him and you had no choice,” stated Simmons


If this is correct he must be removed right away and must be confined to the dustbin of history!

This is truly appalling!

In reply to pariaman

I would not be surprised is such a statement in sum and substance was made somewhere along the line. Remember that the relationship between Simmons and CWI got really testy before his firing. So the context might be important also

In reply to camos

Brung is seen as Cameron's guy, so the general attitude of the mob is off with his head. Same for Tricky Dick Pybus

In reply to Walco

Good

Bravo wants to know who is the poison now?

We need fairness and transparency

I hope TERM limits are introduced

In reply to Walco

the brown (Browne) bus (Pybus) gone

Wait, people still ah say give Browne a chance? The man who kept on picking Bishoo & Nurse for every living ODI game despite averaging 88 & 60 with the ball respectively?

The same man who put Rovmon Powell, who hadn't even established himself in the team, to be captain over Shai Hope?

The same man who had Sunil Ambris, one of the regions better list A players, on the bench for 8 straight ODI games with 3-4 men in the XI constantly failing?

Browne was following Cameron's agenda, and any selector like that needs to go immediately.

The test series gone was a good idea of what can be achieved by picking the best team. Bishoo's spot in the team can be put down to trying to keep Guyana's vote. And guess what, it's said that Bishoo now no longer has a contract as his performance hasn't met any criteria for it. That's the same guy brung was picking none stop. Go figure.

In reply to Narper

Human beings are human I guess ... but I hope Bravo takes the high road. I am not one to dance on people's graves. Not even Dave and Pybus ...

In reply to jen

and that long run Powell had?

Too much too soon. This ship seems headed for self destruction.

Although I don't have much time for either of them, who in their right mind will change both coach and chief selector at this crucial time?

The new folks abhor politics, or so they claim, yet this decision seems to have nothing to do with cricket.

In reply to jen

Ok jen. First you chastise people who say give Browne a chance, then you give examples of Browne's "poor" selection decisions, and then you give him credit for picking the best team for the recent test series thereby lending support to those saying give Browne a chance

In reply to Kay

If left unchanged Cameron will claim the CWC trophy as his legacy.


So Skerrit want to win without he.

In reply to Walco

Partner, Browne well know who can be the better squad but he has proven to be bias and driven by agenda. Such persons cannot be left to operate.

Get rid of corrupt men!!

In reply to jen



Harshest I've seen you to date.

In reply to jen

That's a serious accusation that I don't think you really mean. At least not in the true sense of the word ....

In reply to camos

Lol I have some serious allegations with this one that i'm not putting online lol. Ravmon is a good kid, just some people putting him in a bad spot.

Anyhow, Ravmon did have a few good series, but his issue is he's poor against spin. He shouldn't have played all those 8 games in asia. As it is now, Powell more than likely will miss out on the world cup because of those 8 straight failures. They've done more harm than good to Powell.

In reply to Walco

Corruption is not about money only....

Although i'm no fan of Pybus, I wouldn't be sad if he stayed. What is definite, is that Browne must goooooo!!!

The man didn't want the world boss & universe boss inna he side. The same man that help we to tie an ODI series against the top rank team. The same man who now making Pybus look like he work a stroke of magic to transform an otherwise poor ODI team.

In reply to jen

OK, you are trying too hard now ......

In reply to jen

I hope you have some provable facts to back it up because lawyers in the Caribbean love suing people for defamation

In reply to Walco

Fellas are taking a lot of liberties.

For Jen's sake I hope you are not Browne's lawyer. If by chance you are give him a break.

In reply to jen

was asking about baseball Powell, why did Brung keep him so long?

In reply to jen

Ok I will try one more time. You seem to believe that Browne was the final arbiter on team selection matters. If it is true that Browne did not want Gayle on the CWI team, how did Gayle end up on the team? There is nothing wrong with you criticizing Browne and calling for his removal, but you seem a bit unhinged here. And you were heretofore one of the more level-headed posters on this board

In reply to tc1

No, no, no. Hands off Mr.Jimmy Adams.

Mr.Jimmy Adams had his hands tied. Please remember he is the one individual who advocated for selecting players on merit.

Mr.Jimmy Adams wanted to keep the politics and insularity out of West Indies cricket but was met with roadblocks left, right and centre.

Mr.Jimmy Adams stays and would be a perfect fit for the new President and Vice President.

In reply to Walco

Cameron era sure seemed to have sent many here mad

So Brung does not have a contract?

In reply to camos

He had a contract that was renewed last summer. Not sure if it was for one or two years

In reply to Courtesy

Jen is good peeps

In reply to Walco

again these changes could wait until the end of August.

In reply to camos

But immediate changes were promised for votes!

In reply to camos

Not even Cameron moved this fast to make changes after he became President ...

In reply to Walco

the guy needs to redirect his focus to the office and how things are done there.

Cameron era had a guideline regarding the way they treated the players..It started from Cameron and was mirrored by the selectors and coaching staff.. Anyone who deviated were sacked be it the coach or manager or Captain...

If the new leadership wants to change the way they treat the players, then they need to remove everyone who bought into the guideline of Cameron.

But the only question would be "WHEN" would you want to do that. With WC just around the corner do you want to mess with the coaching structure or leave it till the WC is over. I prefer the later but let us see how the whole game goes

In reply to Pacy

that is WICB culture, how many players were threatened and told they would not play for WI again?

In reply to Pacy

Interesting! Where is that guideline? You have a link or a copy?

In reply to jen … the Powell in this scenario is K. Powell.

In reply to Walco

Jen loses it each time Ambris is involved.
I was very excited at the prospect of Ambris playing ODI in India and Bangladesh, and given the chance of redemption ala Hope, Nurse, Hety. It made no sense to play him in test and then sit him for his stronger format. If he had played, he might well have been on the way to World cup

Fun and games when reality and fantasy collide. Skerrit on pace to out due his reputation and not in the right direction either.

In reply to Baje

The funny thing is that I remember a conversation with Browne during which he had nothing but positive things to say about Ambris. I think that injury set him back a bit and the emergence of Hety of course

In reply to Baje

Actually i've lost it the most with BIshoo, believe it or not. It's easier to look past Ravmon Powell playing all the games ahead of Ambris, cause he had a good period between the WC Qualifiers & Bangladesh in the Caribbean in 2018 I think. Powell was weak against spin so it didn't make sense to pencil him in all the game from a cricketing stand point. Had not one issue with him starting ahead of Ambris at all as he had a good recent record going into those games. Bishoo has been baddddddd for a long long time.

No way should a team be taking licks, you have 4 men struggling and a guy ride the bench for all 8 games.

In reply to Walco

Ambris cant play pace and browne is an idiot. I remember i was in an elevator at qpo a few years and he came in and said nothing to the other me or the other person in the lift. Swear the dude feel he is sumthing.......i really wanted to ask him how it felt to drop waugh in 95 or inzy ten years later at the same ground, both matches the wi lost

In reply to camos

That one too, ah have allegations ah not willing to post on here

I'll say this, Kieran Powell has to be the luckiest islander cricketer ever!!!!! For the life of me I can never understand how he was persisted with for so long. When you see VOR come out and talk against an Islander, then that alone speaks massive volume to how bad that continued selection was. That and Bishoo maybe the longest stream of mediocrity selection.

My views on Bishoo is for ODIs though, he isn't that bad in Tests. Could do better, but still does have the good games in between.

In reply to Jumpstart

Lol, me naw go vex for that. No one obligated to shout you in an elevator. It's the courteous thing to do but...

In reply to Walco

Dr Ralph will be my attorney in this matter

In reply to Walco

I probably need to stop watch Windies as much as I do .... the thing started to get to over bearing seeing all those selection blunders.

Ah probably need to cuss admin and get ban from here before ah get in trouble over CB.

In reply to jen

Then yuh safe man as long as the case is filed in St Vincent

Brown was calling people and telling them they time up for West Indies pick

In reply to Walco

Need Darren Bravo own too, how you so sure is me who post them stuff?

In reply to jen

Oh shite You just reminded me of the Darren Bravo defense. Good one

Both Pybus and Browne was in the back pocket of Cameron.

Now that he is gone to leave them there while they are carrying grudges is a recipe for disaster.

They must go immediately!

In reply to Pacy

This practice predated Cameron's autocracy.

It had its genesis in the unhappy H&H regime of which Cameron was also an integral part.

Do you remember how Beckles revealed the plan that was hatched at board level to "root Gayle & Samuels out of West Indies cricket", while promoting malleable puppets like Reifer & Sammy as the ideal West Indies player?

Or the way Sarwan, Taylor, Shiv, et al were victimized?

Or the way Gayle was sacked as the captain and ultimately kept out of the team for some 18 months for essentially non-cricketing reasons?

How soon we forget!!

In reply to jen

Browne is only one selector.

Browne and Lara are very close friends. Do you think that Browne would do such thing to Lara's cousin??

Come again

In reply to TheTrail

Well, Browne did call him "a cancer" in West Indies cricket and I suspect he was Lara's cousin even then!!

As Simmons revealed, Browne had both the casting vote and the ultimate decision on the make up of the squad without regard to the opinion of captain or coach.

In reply to jacksprat

I know you issa imposter. Deflecting everything away from Cameron to the administration before while claiming you doh support Dave.





yuh name suggest it

In reply to TheTrail

Darren Sammy said Browne & Gibson were good mates, and Browne said bad things about Gibson

In reply to jacksprat

Condi Riley, a Director of CWI went on the Mason and Guest show and stated over the air that Darren Bravo is a cancer and a disruptive force to the youngsters and should never be selected to play for West Indies again.

This was the kind of open interference coming from people in the hierarchy of West Indies cricket pushing Cameron's agenda. The plantation mentality from people who held the misguided belief that they were more important than the players.

Condi Riley was also against Chris Gayle coming back into the WI team.

In reply to Star
like I said before that is WICB culture, only different people acting out the parts at a given time.

If this World Cup doesn't end up with a favourable result in the WI Indies favour, with all the noise emanating from this new presidency," heads gonna roll."

It seems like some here needs instant gratification.

In reply to Jumpstart

Are you serious? Please tell me that your opinion of Browne is based on more than just that one encounter. I walk onto elevators all the time without making eye contact with the occupants or saying hello to the occupants.

In reply to jen

Was Browne around when Otis was coach.

In reply to tc1

Yes, but don't think as Chairman of selectors.

In reply to Star

I remember the utterances of that Conde Riley fellow very well.

If it were up to him every West Indies team would comprise 11 "well behaved" Barbadians.

I am surprised that the usually loquacious Pybus is not speaking publicly and burning bridges. Perhaps he is begging for ...

In reply to Walco

Too much pride ???

In reply to tc1

Yes but as Jen said he wasn't Chairman then
I've met Browne a few times here in SK. We've spoken seemed rather cool person
In fact I've met both him and Walsh as selectors was in the booth with them watching the game.

I don't know if working with Cameron he was just forced to carry out the man's agenda or his agenda changed.
But such is life.

In reply to Positveeg

Agreed 100%, we all suck up to the boss, if you do not endorse the boss plan, he will get rid of you , it's that simple.

In reply to jacksprat

u knocking everyone with the exception of Jamaican Dave, you that transparent.

In reply to tc1 I guess he isn't "transparent", cause you nuh get it. He saying nothing had changed from HH to DD. Now lets see how SS performs.

In reply to natty_forever

Great translator Natty, Beckles n Conde were not presidents as far I am aware of.

In reply to Walco

Who says?

In reply to Walco

Robert Haynes

In reply to Yamfoot

Yes Haynes is new COS

There you have it folks Link Text

Pybus replaced by Reifer and Browne replaced by Haynes. The entire selection panel has been replaced

Reifer to coach until after the World Cup. I expect Simmons to be WI coach after the WC.

In reply to Walco

interesting!!!, i will wait and see how all this unfolds.

In reply to hawk

The new president is spending money like a drunken sailor. It’s a good thing India will be paying us a visit soon

In reply to Walco

Actually until after the India series this summer.

In reply to positiveg

Well technically the India series is after the World Cup

In reply to Walco

if Simmo is the man, why not buy out his contract now and he will be the coach for the WC.

In reply to tc1

You want to spend money you don't have?
Skerritt was smart to keep Pybus around until his contract expires.
It is also good to see the people responsible for the cricket, are the ones selecting the team.

In reply to openning

the MOOD in the room is excellent.

Filled with hope


thats good...its when it meets the Structure that the dominant culture will win

In reply to tc1

Buying out his contract would require the cooperation of Afghanistan. Don't think they would be interested before the WC

In reply to openning

Did they say anything about the 4 former selectors? Were they reassigned or dismissed? I did not watch the press conference

In reply to openning

this will last until Sammy or Cornwall is selected.

In reply to Walco

Interesting

In what way? Can you share specifics?

In reply to imusic


the new people won't be paid?

CWI will have to pay him out - money theey do not have.

IOU?

In reply to imusic

Well CWI apparently is in the red. In the Caribbean you cannot just terminate people without paying them money. Pybus gone and selection panel gone. Seems like Pybus was reassigned, but I suspect his salary as head coach was more than his HPC salary.

In reply to Walco

No reference to the previous selectors.
BTW, all appointees are interim.

In reply to Walco

I am not surprise with the firing of CB, a number of people on this MB, and around the region, wanted him gone.
As for Pybus, I would had allowed him to coach until his contract expired in a few months.

In reply to openning

When was the last time we had a selection panel that did not get cussed left right and center? Having said that, Skerritt has the right to install his own people.

In reply to Walco

The New President is not being smart at all, in an effort to undo all the Dave Cameron did he will cost CWI some serious funds

i have seen so many "leaders" commit these elementary errors....

In reply to hawk

I am surprised at the haste with which he is making changes. But the money problem will be solved when India visits later this year. India tours have been our tickets to solvency for some time now.

In reply to Walco

Fired

In reply to Walco

Perhaps...but you don't get rich by careless spending and getting rid of people unnecessarily who still under contract is stupid

In reply to Walco

Not a single ball bowl yet. You just wait and see. You should bookmark this thread. Courtesy migt have beaten you to it anyway.

In reply to hawk

Skerritt obviously accumulated a substantial amount of debt during his campaign for the Presidency and he did not want repayment of that debt to become past due

In reply to Walco

Do they still owe India Mil of $ ?

India is coming because they want a cut of the gate millions they owe them.

In reply to TheTrail

I could be wrong but I think that was settled, isn't this like the second tour India making since?