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Reviewing the tape, he does not.

In reply to DirtyDan
As a matter of fact, he put a lot of pressure on our batsmen with his batting today.

Pooran looks like a player.

Hetmeyer, Pooran and Hope are our keys in this WC, but some tweaks required in the order.

The rest are hit or miss.

What a rubbish thread!

In reply to DirtyDan

If not for Hope WI would have capitulated for 200 all out.

In reply to gvenkat

Really???? How does the runout look?

In reply to runout

Huh? Shitmeyer ran like a headless chicken.

In reply to gvenkat

Wowzer. Nuff said.

Hety had no choice. His partner called and he responded.

In reply to gvenkat

Hahaha

In reply to runout
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Have you actually played this game?
You making it sound like Hetty has no say, when his partner call for a run

Hope played according to the situation. There was no need for a hurry. Windies is always going to win in that situation as they were almost going 5.8RPO.

Russell is the real culprit for this loss. He tried to attack Starc when it is not needed.

In reply to DirtyDan

Check the scorecard and see, with the fall of Hope wicket, CWI needed 99 runs from 90 balls with Russell and Holder at the wicket.

In reply to openning

Stop de assness

The run out was Hope’s fault

He called for the run.
He left his crease going for that run.
His partner responded as any batting partner would
Hope them stopped and retreated to his crease
Hety was stranded....too late to stop his momentum

As the Aussie commentator said.....Hope barbecued his mate.

Plain and simple.

It’s happened before in cricket. It will happen again.

Both players will get over it....they’ve likely already done so. Part of the game.

The only reason you defending him is because he is your countryman.

Again.....not unique.

In reply to DirtyDan

Hope seemed to be more free opening than at No.3. May be there can be a case to swap him and Evin Lewis.

When I see the WC line up I see "Hope" as the only batsman who can set a platform. I seriously wished Bravo was in form and Chase was there instead of Nurse so that there can be 3 batsmen in our line up who can set the platform for the ultra aggressive rest of the batting order.

In reply to imusic

I did not see the run out or any of the west indies inning
I followed it on cricinfo when I had time
Your summary of the runout is the first time hearing it

Certainly,#3 for Hope. He plays a pivotal role in the middle while everyone else is busy finding the boundaries. The runout was unfortunate but there are others to blame for the loss.

Pooran has a good range shots but then for me, he looks iffy as he plays a lot of risky shots. Perhaps, he'll mature with experience.

Hope was the only guy who held the innings together. The rest were too flashy to make any meaningful contribution to the chase

In reply to imusic

The ball was hit in front of Hope, it was hope’s call and he did make a couple steps down the pitch, So technically it is His fault, however, Hetty the non-striker should have been more aware, he could judge the pace of the stroke and the fact that it was going straight to the fielder, Hetty, could have said no or wait. It was never a run, if both of them had continued whichever end the ball was thrown someone would have been runout

In reply to Redstar

Boss, for Hetty to be more "aware", means he had to be ball-watching as the ball was intercepted behind him! Hetty is one of the more productive runners between stumps, one reason being his inclination to get out the blocks pronto. He trusted his partner's call - as he always does -, his partner made a poor call. Cricket is essentially a game of judgment; a cricketer is bound to get a few wrong. Hope got this one wrong. Simple.

In reply to Sangfroid

Mate I Concur, I already said It was never a run

In reply to Curtis

Exactly. Finally someone who speaks sense. Hope also has a habit of running his partners out. Once, i can understand but he does this often. He will also block and block and then leave the pressure cooker situations for the likes of Holder and Russell. Hope only cares about making his own milestones. It is a well known secret that he has an ego (perhaps it is justified to some degree) but cricket is a team sport, the last time i checked.

Hetmyer must respond to his partner's call but he must also be looking at what is happening,from where he was he could clearly see the ball going straight to hand,so shout no to Hope.Did someone say headless chicken?
Hope also lost the match with his blocking,he could at least have looked to up his tempo just a bit,Pooran with very little or no experience of international cricket tried,and maybe lost his wicket because of Hope's defensive start.

Redstar...sorry mate I didn't read your post,seems i wrote the same as you.

In reply to imusic

I agree and have been keeping the Bajans in check yesterday. However you have been guilty of such too right?

In reply to granite
I Disagree with you analysis on Hopes batting
Smith 73 off 103
Hope 68 off 105
Smith innings won the match for the Aussies.
Pooran played his natural game there was no need to try to rush things, bat 50 overs without losing too many you win the game.

In reply to Redstar and some would say Hope's lost it for us. What Hope needed was a NCN. Ours had a brain fart.

In reply to imusic

Watch the clip of the runout, then you will change your take of what happened.
I am so glad was able to watch it numerous times, seeing it was never a single, and the non striker should had waited until the ball beat the fielder.
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Hope should either open or come at 5. He will complement Gayle.

Hetty and Pooran are able to score freely. The same bowling that Hope was struggling to score off, the other two guys were easily taking singles off.

In reply to openning
Did you see the call????


Shai sold Hety down the Nile...full stop.

In reply to natty_forever

Hope's batting is fine. He is de spine of de batting. De longer he is at de crease, his strike rate picks up.

De team has lots of dashers. Oz' opening attack is very strong.


Well done Shai, except for de run out (which he is 75% at fault for).

In reply to Trinidave

Credit to Hety...he didn't react adversely to being runout.

In reply to Redstar

I see this also. most seems to forget Hope backed away to make the shot also. Getting to the other end would be a problem just from that. The shot alone called for the fielder misplaying the ball before a single could be attempted.

Early in the innings Hope was not timing the ball at all. But with him the longer he is at the crease his strike rate increases. Some seems to forget this is 50 overs and not 20/20. Everyone think they are CG. For almost a year now Hope have been the one constant in the lineup and have improved by leaps and bounds. That is where you best batsman bat to stabilize the innings. Hope allows everyone else to play their game because he will anchor things. For many a year we could not bat out 50 overs.

Hope has been so successful at opening and I would prefer him opening. However, what should we do with Lewis? Frankly we do not need 2 batsman blazing away at the start and maybe Lewis should switch places with Hope.

Hope also seem to be a poor judge sometimes in running singles and he has run out Bravo before. The experienced Gayle will keep him in check.

In reply to seaegg99

What did you see in the tape around the 2 second mark.

Hope slaps the ball, and took off...Hety saw that and committed himself. He didn't look at the ball...he looked at his partner, and his partner was running full throttle for 3 steps and then braked.

This is not Hety's fault. Fault him for the drop catch...but not this.

In reply to jelfew

Lots a folks commented on CG not taking Hope's singles. But he has an issue picking the gaps when facing the faster bowlers. It was quite contrasting seeing Pooran and him batting with Pooran finding the gaps steadily.

In reply to runout

Watched in slow motion to know he hit it too hard and was backing away while playing the shot to get to the other end. The ball was played too close to the fielder and with too much pace. Both have to be better at judging runs. Blame is on both because I am not just going to run blindly because I am called. Just too much pace on the ball for a single. Patience needed right there. That is one run be the able to say NO!

In reply to runout

Yes folks have commented on that but Gayle seem to have a better judgement when to take a single and his own capability to take quick singles. This is something Hope has still to learn, as we see from the run out of Hety.

In reply to jelfew

In yesterday's line up the ideal batting order should be if they play next match..

Gayle
Lewis
Pooran or Hety
Hope
Hety or Pooran
Holder
Russell
Brathwaite
Nurse
Thomas
Cottrell

Hope cannot bat with Gayle because he needs to knock it around a bit before he gets going. Gayle is not into singles but can easily make up but Lewis Pooran or Hety can all bash it so them with Gayle is not an issue.

Ideally there's a need for another Hope and Holder type batsman. Oh if Bravo could find for but that means Carlos or nurse is out. Who will finish Russell's overs. Maybe Fabian Allen is the man.


On the run out Hope took some exploratory steps and then decided it was not a run. He screamed and held up his hand but Hety was head down an full steam ahead. I believe he could have explored and then reject the run...but that's in hindsight. That was not a run and had they gone through either on would be run out.

Amen

PS batsmen have roles some to anchor and some to bash determined by their style of play.

Not everyone could or must bash or nor bat through.

In reply to Mowgli

Hope is the only player that can bat 100 balls, he has 2 rolls while batting, set up the game , and winthe game,the other players can only win the game if Hope set it up.

Where does Smith for Oz bats? That's where he should bat.

In reply to tc1 suh you saying we lose because Hope fail to set it up.

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy it wasnt a direct hit and with a dive who to tell

In reply to runout

Hety played enough cricket to know that it was not a single. If Hope ran he would have been run out. Hety should have said WAIT!

He saw the punch off the back foot hard & straight to extra cover. He should have yelled No or Wait!

Hope would have waited and Hety would have done well. He was in good knick.

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

End of...hety mussee tone deaf n cockeye

In reply to DirtyDan

he is

In reply to natty_forever

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Hope set up the game for you with Holder, score was 216 in 34 overs, rr 6.38, need 72 off of 16 , that is 4.50 an over.
the finishers failed Natty.

In reply to Curtis

Hope is a stroke player, they depend on timing and rhythm, while batting with Hety they put on 51 in 8 overs at rr of 6.38 of the 51 runs Hety made 21 , Hope made 27.they had the best rr of the WI innings.

In reply to tc1

Incorrect stat. In any partnership with Hetmeyer, he scored 75% of the runss

In reply to tc1 the difference was Couter-Nile suh you right.

I jus hope lesson learnt.

In reply to Curtis

check the score card

In reply to tc1

Don't study some of these guys. Last month and this week they were cussing Hope for batting too slow, and that he hasn't made runs against a strong team.

He just took on Aus top class bowlers this week and made a good contribution to the team.

Now, they will go after him for this run out of Hetmeyer for another six to 12 months.

Now a person wants him to bat at 5, or open with Gayle, you should know the reason why they want this to happen. It will never happen as long as Lewis is on the team.

Bookmark this for the future ref on their behaviour. Ninety nine percent of this Caribbean cricketing culture is warped.

In reply to TheTrail

Shai is the glue to the team, there are only 3 stroke makers on this team who can bat 100 balls :Shai, Darren and Jason

In reply to tc1

Nah,

Are you insinuating that the others are a bunch of T20 swipers?
Heymeyer is a very good player; he just has to play the ball under its merit and he will be fine.
Campbell and Ambris has an appetite for big scores and playing correct cricket.
Here are the batsmen who will be around when the WC is over.
Hope
Bravo
Ambris
Campbell
Holder
Chase
Dowrich
Hetmeyer,
providing he doesn't pick up the bad habits of the IPL guys.

Out of that group, who do you think will put WI cricket second?

In reply to TheTrail

Can't see Bravo getting back into the ODI lineup unless one of them other guys fail.

Lewis
Hope
Ambris
Pooran
Chase
Hetmyer
Russell
Holder
Cotterel
Aljo
Oshane

with Campbell, Paul, Allen, Big Bravo,Cornwall, Rovman and Pollard around..Lil B is good for tests...but dont look like he can hang wid de big boys in limited overs anymore

In reply to DIEHARD

Don't count him out just yet; he will be back in the ODI, sooner than you think.
I would place my bet on Bravo rather than with Lewis, Pooran and even Hetmeyer. It so happens he is going through a rough patch at the moment.

I predict he will be back in this WC lineup before its over. Like some here says: cream always has a way of settling to the top.

In reply to TheTrail

An inform Bravo is the best of these left handed batsmen. I think he will come good in the WC before completion.

In reply to DIEHARD

Take out Big Bravo and pollard, add Rutherford , Paul and a couple of spinners and we might have a future team

In reply to DirtyDan

Does the pope use miss palm and her five children?

In reply to tc1

I still think they can contribute, but yes I had Paul, and Rutherford should work on his bowling, he can then bat anywhere from 6 - 8

Warner - Gayle
Finch - Lewis
Khawaja - Pooran
Smith - Hope
Maxwell- Hety
Stonis - holder
Creary - Russell
Counter-Nile - Carlos
Cummings - Cottrell
Starc - Thomas
Zampa - Nurse

What is wrong with that picture. OZ followed our blue print of 4 prong and became number one. No shame in copying them this time around.