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This CWC2019 has taught us many things, no least:

1. Talent is necessary, but nothing beats teamwork, sweat and perspiration.

2. A team is as strong as the weakest link and cricket is now truly a 3 dimensional sport where matches are won and loss on fine margins

3. There has to be a clear idea of roles and responsibilities within the team construct and the sum of the parts must always be greater than the whole

4. There needs to be a strong leadership system that encourages flair and dynamism but also manages egos and player power within the dressing room for the benefit of the team

5. The fittest and strongest teams in modern sport are usually the best

6. A winning culture is something that can be taught by winners who know what is required to improve performance

7. Professional players do not require in-match coaching as much as they require a team environment that allows them to produce (the proper coaching is done away from the team on a one on one basis)

8. The best professionals are usually the smartest who continually seek self-improvement

9. Winning teams are usually a perfect mix of youthful exuberance and the know-how of experience (you never win with just kids)

10. The West Indies must believe that we can turn around our ODI fortunes in much the same way as England has in order to be relevant at CWC 2023.

In reply to mkcharles
Maybe they should hire one of those English architects and find out exactly how England turned it around in 4 years.

In reply to Baje
Skerritt against foreigners.

In reply to camos

Well this English team is one of diversity if only at the level of the players. An Irish Captain, a New Zealand MOM, a South African dasher, two Muslims of Asian origin and a black boy from BIM.

Surely we must review our player qualification policies and how we engage professionals and service providers.

The best position to effect change is from a position of success. We can have a no foreigners rule when we have a blueprint for producing consistently successful teams.

Which home grown can we identify as having a successful track record at the highest level? Surely we have to be objective and understand that we cannot ignore anyone at this period of history.

It's going to be even harder for West Indies to qualify for the next tournament, much less win it.

I'm not sure if mkcharles is advocating for the potential poaching of any talent from the ICC Americas ranks or elsewhere...

When it comes to coaching/methodologies, etc., it doesn't hurt to observe what your competition's been up to, though.

In reply to mkcharles

they should be thinking of putting a winning wt20 team together first. We have a title to defend next year and anything but a win would be disappointing

In reply to Jumpstart

We have a title to defend next year 

Really?

In reply to nitro

West Indies are the defending T20 champions, that much is true. "Remember the Name" and all of that

In reply to Tryangle

If you look at a basic talent base of Hope, Hetmyer, Pooran, J. Campbell, Lewis, Ambris, Chase, J. Holder, Paul, Alzarri, Thomas who will all be either in their prime cricket years or entering same, why would we not be competitive?

Is the answer to my question the same as why a Joffra Archer would develop immeasurably in the English system in two and a half years and would he have been that person that we saw taking 20 wickets in the tournament and bowling the super over if he was home grown and developed?

Four years ago were you, me or anyone saying that Jason Roy, Butler, Ginger Bairstow, Mark Wood, Plunkett, Woakes, Moen etc were anything other than "potential", "journey man", "basher", "trundler"? And yet with proper planning and know how, look at the end result.

Our problem is and has always been that we don not know how to DEVELOP talent. Talent if not honed and given a proper platform to operate is USELESS. Even when you consider the halcyon days of yore, all of our talent was birthed in the Caribbean but DEVELOPED through the help of others.

We either need to ask for help or figure out how to help ourselves but as of right now we are doing neither.

In reply to mkcharles

Yeah, West Indies has talent, as do many other cricketing nations.

So I agree with the crux of your penultimate paragraph:

Hire an Indian batting coach.

Skunt, your players are not good enough. It is the simple fact which you must embrace. They are not even competent against India - F no name bowlers.

In reply to mkcharles

can you put together what is not there?

In reply to doosra


So let's talk about Sri Lanka, New Zealand, Pakistan who struggle with limited resources, limited FC structure and civil unrest and parochial politics respectively. They each compete regardless to who they put on the field and regardless to the circumstances surrounding the team.

India, Australia and England rule because of the corrupt cricket system and they are hell bent on keeping that intact. So what do the others do, stop playing?

When someone can convince me that we get 100% out of whatever limitations we have and we still fail to compete only then will I be satisfied to accept that things cannot be made better.

In reply to mkcharles
You are kidding right, when you say corrupt cricket system?
Stop skunting around.
Have you even seen their U19, Ranji, Donestic ODI (don't know what they call it) trophy, A series planning and most of all the Legend Rahul Dravid mentoring their A teams and leading their NCA??
Something is wrong with carrib folks when you even refuse to acknowledge one of the best cricketing structures in the world.
What you have in WI is abysmal.
SA is not far off either.
Results do speak.

In reply to mkcharles

In reply to camos

These listed players all have international world class potential like Archer and the windies have acknowledged that we lack resources to develop these players fully. The key resources i believe that are lacking are 90% human capital. All of which can be sourced as needed. Environment comprise the remaining 10%. Caribbean environment is not condusive to world class development at the moment. Again here environmental relocation is a simple fix. Relocate training to a 3rd noncricketting nation w the right business like environment. I recommend Tibet.

In reply to Lungidi2017

Boss, the world is about he who has and he who does not, and that in fact, money run things. That doesn't require an argument. Whether you are India or you are Real Madrid in football you stay at the top of the pile because that's the nature of the world order.

Rather than tell me about India's domestic cricket as the guru you seem to be, maybe we should have a more meaningful conversation about proceeds from criminal activity, money laundering, bribery, match fixing etc.

So while they can invest in their cricket infrastructure and command the respect of one and a half billion of their own people and perhaps another half billion that is enthralled by it all, I quite understand the enormity of the problems facing the rest of the cricket world even if we West Indians do a good job at being our worse enemy.

In reply to mkcharles

Why does one team get 3 extra overs ?

In reply to mkcharles

In reply to openning

But that's just the point.

Even the English system with its resources does still produce a raw talent like Joffra Archer even if they provide the polish. Ask the contingent of Barbadians who were in England a few ago and witnessed a team of their 15 year olds play the equivalent of a England North West Combined Schools Team that played unbeaten during that summer. That English team was so roundly played off the park that their management and parents openly questioned the ages of their bajan counterparts.

The English county junior system itself is not the differentiator. We simply do not possess the deep talent that knows how to develop players. Whether you call it mentor, coach, manager, performance enhancer or bird of a different colour tell me who in the region has a demonstrated track record of knowing how to produce international class players. The greats of yore were never short of talent, but they learnt professionalism and production elsewhere. Right now we are not short of talent especially in the age groups.

Professionalism and production does not come from just having a "professional club/county/shield structure" even if we had all the finances in the world when the governance structure, management and operational know how are all still not to a first class level. History has shown that we just don't know how to get things done and the evidence is when you look at every country in CARICOM far lest CWI.

Does the English system have somebody like Cornwall?