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Very, very disappointed in the so-called future players of Windies cricket.

Something is wrong, and all the brains in the WI can’t seem to come together to fix it.

Corner?

No such thing seems to exist. In fact, Windies cricket appears to be on one long road, with the only destination, extinction.

In reply to Casper

But only 2 months ago it was looking very very bright after the english series at home and the rediscovery of the 5 PRONG

What happened now?

In reply to Casper

The problem has been that there has been too much parochialism in our cricket - locally and regionally. The best players are not fully represented in our cricket.

This is my suggestion to get there for Regional cricket.

Each territorial franchise squad of 15 should comprise the following components:

marquee players - seven (7) players local to that franchise
Under 19 players - three (3) WI U19 players (must have represented WI in last 3 yrs)
regional players - five (5) players non-local to that franchise

You may need a hold a big two week camp at UWI to test general and cricket fitness where the 30 regional players could be selected in a draft.

That is what happens when a politician gets involved in cricket.

I wonder where are Mitchell and Ralph today. Will they ever admit they made a mistake?

Folks, it all comes down to quid pro quo in this West Indian cricket.

The squads for the PCL were selected in April, that's 6+ months ahead of the tournament which is ridiculous.

Also, the draft is a joke, there was something like 6 players selected by a different territory.

Reduce the number of professional contracts handed out.

A minimum of 2 drafts must be from a different territory.

There should also be a mandatory requirement for 2 or 3 players to be under the age of 23 in each 15 man squad.

In reply to Fantom

Who are the best players, and how do you determine these players are the best?
Give us some kind of data, not rhetoric.

The Board need to have a plan. Jimmy Adams plan it seems is not working except for Gayle and Russell.
It looks like Haynes and Adams gets together and says how many Jamaicans can we put on this WI team without having a riot? Can we be the new Barbados who had over 5 players at a time ?

Look we need to blood the youngsters and let them lose series like the one against India A.
Losing against the likes of seasoned IPL stars is good for them.
However the best X1 must be picked regardless of which country you come from.
This is not about Jamaica, Guyana and Barbados vs Trinidad and the rest of islands.
If we are to keep the name West Indies THEN WE NEED TO REPRESENT all the islands equally by merit.
if Haynes and Jimmy cannot be unbiased in their thinking then step out.
Another battle will emerge with Phil and the selection of players if the status quo remains.

In reply to openning

Thank you responding to my post, openning. You are, among jen and anthonyp, one of the few posters that I follow for cricket analysis here.

I am not claiming to know who the best players are. I am am just providing a mechanism to get there. The three of you, whose opinions here I value, have suggested names of other players than those selected from time to time. It was a fairly simple deduction then that the best were not always selected.

This matter is only one of several that must be addressed to bring WI cricket into 21st century reality but I think it is among the most important.

WE ALL need to reflect on the main ingredients that enabled Our Players
in the Shortest version of the Game

TO WIN 2 CONSECUTIVE WORLD

CHAMPIONSHIPS IN THAT FORMAT OF THE

GAME .

I have no doubt that if what was done
is replicated in ALL FORMATS of the
Game . Our Players would be fully
Competitive in the International
Cricket Arena .

In my opinion unless this is done
WE will be akin to running very fast
yet finding Ourselves in the same
Freaking Place , which is at or near
the Bottom of International Cricket.

OUR PLAYERS IN ALL FORMATS OF THE

GAME ARE PLAYING LESS CRICKET THAN

THEIR OPPONENTS . THIS MUST BE

SERIOUSLY ADDRESSED ; IF WE WANT TO

BE FULLY COMPETITIVE IN THE

INTERNATIONAL CRICKET ARENA .

I have been stating the above continuously for many years in this
Forum . When I look at the stats of
Players on Teams WE are playing against , the disparity between the number matches Our Players have played , and the number of matches their Opponents have played informs
me that Our Players have an uphill
Task to win Matches or Series .

In reply to POINT
Are you still giving credit to a format, that our previous players have not been involve with, for more than 15-20 years?
Pooran, Hetmyer, Paul, Lewis and others, were babies when the Stanford tournament was played.
BTW, Hetmyer, Joseph and Paul are contracted by the IPL, these three guys are from the Championship U19 World Cup team, 2016.
Tell this board, which group of former players, are responsible for these youngsters T20, development.

In reply to Fantom
Batting takes lot of concentration, Michael Holding told us, during CWC19, that our players can hit the ball, but they cannot bat.
He went on to say, Gayle used to be able to bat for hours, what is happening, once he starts hitting he continues.
That is a result of playing T20 cricket.

In reply to Casper

More like a roundabout.

Here we are as usual quibbling about players with mediocre stats wondering why the region is not doing well.

There are simply no players up to standard. The very very few that come through at some point either end up not having the mental fortitude to make it at the top level or focus on making money in lick it cricket.

One solution: invest in cricket at the schoolboy/girl level with the hope of getting g more young people interested in the game from which there will be a larger pool to select from. Make sure there are competent coaches at that level. Not only Barbados should do this.

In reply to openning

At least they proved that they had
the ability to Harness & Hone the Talents of Our Players .

SADLY WHAT THEY DID ; YOU WOULD HAVE

TO AGREE ; HAS NOT BEEN REPLICATED .

PERHAPS BECAUSE DOING THAT WOULD

DEMONSTRATE THEIR STEWARDSHIP WAS &

IS BETTER THAN THE WICBC'S

METHODOLOGY , REGARDING PREPARING

OUR PLAYERS TO BE FULLY COMPETITIVE

IN THE INTERNATIONAL CRICKET ARENA .

I know that FACTS can be very stubborn to accept , especially when
they show up the Utter Stupidity of
those in the governance of Cricket
in the Region .

THE GREAT THING ABOUT FACTS IS THAT

THEY CAN NEVER EVER BE DISPUTED OR

REFUTED .

You and others who think like You need to fully understand this freaking Fact .

The Questions You & Others who think
like you & Others need to Truthfully
answer is this :

UNDER WHOSE STEWARDSHIP WAS IT THAT

OUR PLAYERS WON 2 CONSECUTIVE WORLD

CHAMPIONSHIPS IN THE SHORTEST FORMAT

OF THE GAME ??????


ONE THING IS CERTAIN ; IT SURE AS

HELL WAS NOT THE WORST INTERNATIONAL

CRICKET BOARD IN THE COMMONWEALTH

AKA THE WICBC .

CPL is right around the corner
we will be fine

In reply to POINT

I
I am yet to hear others, give credit to the Stanford board, for the CWI winning the last two T20 WC, I need some more dater from you, on the role the former players played, in getting the T20 stars to win, two World Cups.

In reply to openning

If the best players are playing in the regional competitions, the latter will be strong. A strong regional competition will lead to a strong West Indies team.

My two cents.

In reply to Fantom

Bro, the top athletes in the world have a team around them, that guide them.
A player like Darren Bravo may not need a coach, what he need is someone to assist him with his batting plan.
Someone to talk to.
Each individual flaw by players can be work on, the guys just need to put in the time.
Each of these guys/Women, should have a personal trainer.
CWI should have a nutrition on staff, to assist the players from the grass root level, about eating the right.
Cricket is a professional sport, we continue to treat it as an amateur sport.
Thats why we are at the bottom of the ladder.

In reply to openning

Thanks for regurgitating what I have stated in this Forum since 2003 ; in the last three lines You have written above .

However that alone aint about to make
Our Players Fully Competitive . Missing in West Indies Cricket is a
very important factor that Must be
addressed .

IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT THERE IS

HARMONY BETWEEN THOSE WHO REPRESENT

THE REGION IN THE INTERNATIONAL

CRICKET ARENAS & THOSE WHO GOVERN

WEST INDIES CRICKET .

Unless this is seriously addressed ,
WE aint going to be fully competitive in International Cricket.

In my opinion it is the task of ALL those in the governance Cricket in
the Region to make this happen . THEY are the people who have the
Power & the Ability to make this happen .

THE QUESTION THEN IS THIS ; DO THEY

POSSESS THE TESTICULAR FORTITUDE TO

MAKE HARMONY A REALITY . TIME WILL

TELL .


THE PROPENSITY TO HIRE PERSONNEL

FROM OUTSIDE THE REGION TO BE

COACHES ETC MUST IMMEDIATELY BE

ENDED .


PERSONNEL FROM OUTSIDE THE REGION

HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO AFFINITY WITH

OUR PLAYERS .

I have read in Newspapers that some of Our Former Great Players , have
freely given their Time & Knowledge
to Youngsters in the various Countries in the Region .

Despite this freaking Fact the Worst
International Cricket Board in the
Region , aka the WICBC persists in
hiring Foreigners .

WE ARE STILL AT OR NEAR THE BOTTOM

OF INTERNATIONAL CRICKET . THEREFORE

IT IS TIME TO MAKE A SERIOUS CHANGE

REGARDING COACHES .

In reply to POINT

You actually wrote that with a straight face, and continue to dissed Trump.
Anyone reading your post, would swear you are living in SVG.
Teaching /Coaching should not. be were you are from, especially having Walsh, Simmons and Gibson coaching at the International level, along with a number of Umpires.
What would you say, if one of your off-spring was qualified for a job and was turn down, because he/she was not from the region?

In reply to Narper

what happened ?you got rid of the batting and bowling coach after winning a test series where the west indies played better than they have in many years and replaced them by people who don't have a clue

i cannot imagine that a bowling coach who knew what he was doing would have allowed his bowlers to continue to bowl the way they did throughout the world cup

there is no plan on the field or off the field to take wi cricket forward

How long will it take a Drakes, Moti, Springer, Melius, to name a few, to develop if they have to be sitting on a bench year in year out only getting a play when their team mates are on international duty.

The PCL needs another team like a WI A to absorb some of these players

In reply to Maispwi

I am in total agreement with what You
have stated above . The fact is the
People in the governance of West Indies Cricket are to freaking Dumb to
understand & put into action what YOU
have stated .

This is precisely why in my opinion
West Indies Cricket needs to take an
Hiatus of 2 years , from ALL International Cricket .

During that time There must be a completely New governance Structure
in the Worst International Cricket
Board in the Commonwealth .

THE CURRENT STRUCTURE IS AT LEAST

100 YEARS OLD . ALL THE REGIONAL

CRICKET BOARDS MUST ALSO UNDERGO

SERIOUS STRUCTURAL REFORMS .

There exists a very serious GULF
between Those who govern & those who
represent the Region in the International Cricket Arena .

TO HEAL THIS GULF FORMER PLAYERS &

CURRENT PLAYERS MUST BE ON ALL

CRICKET BOARDS IN THE REGION SO THAT

THERE WILL BE HARMONY BETWEEN THOSE

WHO GOVERN & THOSE WHO REPRESENT THE

REGION IN DOMESTIC & INTERNATIONAL

CRICKET .