Like Guyana and other places, the waters that lap the shores of Barbados are NOT Caribbean Sea waters but rather from the Atlantic Ocean.
it's just been more romantic and cultural to say Barbados is a "Caribbean island".
Moot point? Maybe, and I'm sure most of you all are aware of this but surprisingly there are some folks who would refute this fact.
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Barbados technically not Caribbean
2019-07-28 19:46:48
2019-07-28 20:01:29
In reply to DukeStreet
Not did shoite again
2019-07-28 20:01:37
In reply to DukeStreet
what is the dividing line , where does the Caribbean stops and the Atlantic starts?
2019-07-28 20:03:53
In reply to DukeStreet
Eh? You have a map?
2019-07-28 20:15:19
The boundary nations of the Caribbean Sea are Antigua and Barbuda, Bahamas, Barbados, Belize, Colombia, Costa Rica, Cuba, Dominica, Dominican Republic, United States, Grenada, Guatemala, Guyana, Haiti, Honduras, Jamaica, Mexico, Nicaragua, Panama, St. Kitts and Nevis, St. Lucia, St. Vincent and the Grenadines, Suriname, Trinidad and Tobago, Venezuela and the overseas territories of France, the Netherlands and the United Kingdom.
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2019-07-28 20:16:07
In reply to Larr Pullo
Physical map of Barbados
One of many maps but they all say the same shoite..Atlantic Ocean bound.
2019-07-28 20:17:08
In reply to Barry
Boundary yes but not surrounded by.
Even Barbados.org echoes the sentiment.
2019-07-28 20:21:10
In reply to DukeStreet
Please check this map
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2019-07-28 20:23:00
Is this one better?
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From article on marine pollution by Asha Singh-Potential oil spill risk from shipping and the implications for management in the Caribbean Sea ....
2019-07-28 20:26:43
satellite image
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2019-07-28 20:27:34
In reply to Barry
Misconception, bro. The Barbados Travel industry folks confirmed what I telling you. I know, it's confusing but apparently what I am saying is true.
2019-07-28 20:29:29
Below the Sea ... Wikipedua but you can check scientifically
Along the geologically complex southern boundary,[5] the Caribbean Plate interacts with the South American Plate forming Barbados, Trinidad and Tobago (all on the Caribbean Plate), and islands off the coast of Venezuela (including the Leeward Antilles) and Colombia.
2019-07-28 20:30:38
In reply to DukeStreet
So the evidence I presented came from academic sources except Wikipedia, spaning Maritime law and plate geography . . . You on your own, brother
2019-07-28 20:33:49
Tricky Bajans
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2019-07-28 20:39:28
In reply to DukeStreet
Have you ever seen a map delineating the boundaries of the Caribbean Sea?
2019-07-28 20:45:10
Asha Singh wrote this in 2008
In the Caribbean Sea, 36 States4 have jurisdiction over its marine space, of which many of them have claimed5 by legislative decree the full extent of 200NM6 afforded under UNCLOS or by way of customary international law. Although, not all the States have delimited their boundaries at present, when these claims are asserted, the entire Caribbean Sea will be under the jurisdiction of one nation or another with no claims of high seas. In addition, with the claims of 200NM, many of the States will have a larger marine than land area. For example, Barbados will likely have approximately 10 times more marine area than terrestrial.
Never trust a Bajan . . . .
They think they will find oil or fish like Guyana . . .
2019-07-28 20:57:57
If one digs deeper, one will find that, as a matter of fact, there is nothing called the Caribbean. The acceptance of “Caribbean”, though, fits nicely into the narrative that underpins the political divide that confers superiority to certain nations of the North American Continent.
For example, Manifest Destiny not only gives legitimacy to American imperialism, it allows USA to view the Caribbean as exogenous to the North American Continent.
2019-07-28 21:05:16
In reply to Norm
This comes from a NASA site. Just about every site outside of Wiki has confirmed it.
Barbados in Atlantic Ocean
While Barbados is considered part of the Lesser Antilles, it is located within the western Atlantic Ocean rather than the Caribbean Sea.
The bigger question is why would major sites discount what was originally though of Barbados to go with a totally unorthodox explanation? Seems like there is more to it than just face explanation.
2019-07-28 21:06:33
In reply to Hanover
If one digs deeper, one will find that, as a matter of fact, there is nothing called the Caribbean. The acceptance of “Caribbean”, though, fits nicely into the narrative that underpins the political divide that confers superiority to certain nations of the North American Continent.
For example, Manifest Destiny not only gives legitimacy to American imperialism, it allows USA to view the Caribbean as exogenous to the North American Continent.
For example, Manifest Destiny not only gives legitimacy to American imperialism, it allows USA to view the Caribbean as exogenous to the North American Continent.
BINGO. As a matter of fact the "Caribbean Sea" is a basin that is actually an extension of the Atlantic Ocean. Just saying.
2019-07-28 21:08:32
In reply to Hanover
The Caribbean Sea definitely and clearly exists, regardless of political narratives. A Caribbean culture also exists, though not as clearly as the Caribbean Sea.
"Caribbean" has geographical and cultural context, but not political.
2019-07-28 21:16:10
In reply to DukeStreet
The Caribbean Sea is a part of the Atlantic Ocean. So, showing Barbados or Bonaire as being in the Atlantic is correct.
Barbados does not need to be in the Caribbean Sea to be "Caribbean" culturally. Neither does Guyana.
The west coast of Barbados could be argued to be on the Caribbean Sea - geographically, because it displays the characteristics of a sea coast (as opposed to an ocean coast) by being sheltered from the winds and waves of the open ocean, etc.
2019-07-28 21:18:54
In reply to Norm
So based on what you are saying, is it more proper to define what we share overall as a collective regional people as "West Indian" rather than "Caribbean"?
The maps available online are unreliable, at best but when we look at who we are and how far we have come, the term "Caribbean" seems non-inclusive even though it extends to those who don't share in the geographical part of the definition.
2019-07-28 21:31:34
In reply to DukeStreet
"West Indian" has only limited historical context, based on territories under the British West India Company. This was a protected market and political entity recognized only by the British and Dutch.
Even today, most languages have no direct equivalent to "West Indies". In practice, the term "West Indies" refers only to the cricket team today. The term "West Indian" refers to descendants from (British and Dutch) West Indies (below). During the colonial period, it referred to the British and Dutch territories in the Caribbean, with the possible exception of Belize.
2019-07-28 21:38:17
One of the first things I made students of Politics of the Caribbean do was look at a Caribbean map and tell me who is actually in the Caribbean Sea.
Guyana and Barbados were politically but not geographically Caribbean. That's a simple fact. Even that is problematic because they really are politically English speaking West Indians.
Several Central American countries are geographically Caribbean unlike both Barbados and Guyana.
2019-07-28 21:41:41
In reply to Norm
So you call yourself "Guyanese", "South American", "Caribbean" or "all of the above" or whatever?
2019-07-28 21:42:21
In reply to Norm
Norm is essentially correct in his 2 posts ... the Caribbean Sea and the Atlantic Ocean has no real dividing borders .... over centuries the earth movements will have shifted any lines of demarcation that were drawn hundreds of times over those years.
So the differentiations between Atlantic and Caribbean is fluid ....
We - all these nations in this mix are Caribbean and West Indian at the same time. Either demarcation should/will pass.
Call yourselves whatever of the 2 - both describes to the ordinary folk our essential basic heritage and place.
2019-07-28 21:47:30
In reply to Chrissy
I can definitely see what you are saying, Christine. It eases down on the confusion but I think the geographical labeling does not completely capture who we are as a collective people. Heck, Cuba is geographically a Caribbean nation but they are also heavily Latin based. Belize is a Central American country but ask 100 Belizeans to define themselves and you will get 100 different answers. It is not as simple as it appears on paper.
2019-07-28 21:47:59
In reply to Chrissy
Many southern US states are also on the Caribbean Sea, if the Gulf of Mexico is considered a part of the Caribbean Sea.
The term "Caribbean Sea" has little political relevance, however, as compared to the South China Sea, for example. It has geographical and biological relevance, however, with some animal and plant species being unique to the Caribbean Sea.
2019-07-28 21:55:55
In reply to DukeStreet
I refer to myself as Guyanese. Most times I would have to explain that Guyana is in South America, and that is has a mostly Caribbean culture with a large Indian cultural content, and that it is part of the West Indies cricket team.
On rare occasions, I may even have to refer to Jim Jones. Schuups!
2019-07-29 00:02:03
In reply to DukeStreet
i have never disputed this if you talking GEOGRAPHY.
It is also said that Tobago and Barbados were one land mass until separated...should Bajans take up arms to go get it back?
But the Caribbean goes beyond the Physical boundaries...which begs the question...
what does this have to do with anything and what difference does it make?
2019-07-29 00:06:24
As a matter of interest are the Bahamas and Bermuda and Turks and caicos part of the Caribbean or not?
2019-07-29 00:07:09
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
Not dis shoite again
2019-07-29 00:19:08
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
There is the Caribbean sea and then the Caribbean area.
2019-07-29 01:01:25
So a professor speaks with no evidence. Let us examine closely the case of Trinidad and Tobago vs Barbados 2006
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How come Mottley never said what Dukestreet said? Having said that the smart Bajans had their way but never questioned the issue of the Caribbean sea and Atlantic Ocean-Why not . . . they are hungry for oil-less water . . .
Trinidad and Tobago maintains that to effect the delimitation in this dispute it is necessary to distinguish between two different geographical areas.The first is described as the “Caribbean sector” and the second as the “Atlantic sector”. The former lies between the islands of Barbados and Tobago and extends from the tri-point where the boundaries of the Parties meet with that of Saint Vincent and the Grenadines to Point A, which serves in Trinidad and Tobago’s claim as the appropriate turning point of the equidistance line. The “Atlantic sector” is that facing the broad Atlantic Ocean.
THE PROFESSOR IS WRONG-SEE MAP
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2019-07-29 16:06:32
In reply to Barry
this convo has no ulterior motives atall BUT the map you posted (LOL) was very interesting. I love how the Caribbean Sea border just magically jumps out and engulfs Barbados on that map instead of following the line of the plate, which would have had it to the west of the island.
But hey, it's all good. As Norm and powen seh, it doesn't matter one bit.
2019-07-29 17:59:07
In reply to DukeStreet
A Guyanese and Jamaican speaking on Bajan matters?
2019-07-29 18:20:20
In reply to nick2020
thought maritime borders were international issues?
2019-07-29 18:50:12
In reply to DukeStreet
Venezuelan maps clearly show the maritime border between Venezuela and Suriname.
2019-07-29 18:55:32
In reply to camos
As Norm and powen seh, it doesn't matter one bit.
2019-07-29 19:03:17
These guys just jealous Barbados has the most popular Caribbean born person on the planet.
2019-07-29 19:08:03
In reply to nitro
Hey, Powen is not that popular!
2019-07-29 19:25:30
In reply to culpepperboy
I heard Culpepper Island is part of T&T too ...!
2019-07-29 20:04:29
In reply to powen001
should Bajans take up arms to go get it back?
Arms? Barbados? LMAO!!!!
2019-07-29 20:20:28
In reply to nick2020
A Guyanese and Jamaican speaking on Bajan matters?
So who is de Guyanese and who de Jamaican?
2019-07-29 20:47:38
In reply to DukeStreet
Magic is in brother
2019-07-29 21:11:40
In reply to nick2020
As Norm and powen seh, it doesn't matter one bit.
they said that before you made that silly comment!
2019-07-29 22:10:11
In reply to camos
Well, as most people know, I am not on here like I used to be so if they said that before, good for them. I wasn't here to hear it, bruh.
2019-07-30 02:31:44
In reply to Barry
No you know why Caribbean educated people can use their Ph.D. ie pool hall diploma to make a kite
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