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Have the majority always supported India when they have come to town?

In reply to Banner

Yes, always but they never had Indian flags to wave.
At least not during my residency there.

In reply to Banner

people are free to support their home boys if they want, ent?

In reply to sudden

I didn’t say they couldn’t. Was out of interest.

In reply to sudden

I have no issue, I have friends from Guyana who are diehard Oz supporters

In reply to Banner

Some of those guys waving Indian flags were not Indian.

In reply to mikesiva

I thought I saw Jala..

In reply to mikesiva

Must be looking for an IPL wuk

Can imagine the local indos going crazy for RBK and kalli back in the day.

In reply to Banner

Shiv too

In reply to Banner

or for lloyd, fredericks or sobers? must have been a great spectacle

In reply to sudden

yes, it was great back in the day

I saw lots of Indian race people like you have African race people all over supporting whosoever.

The flag weaving ones I saw look and sound like Indian nationals (hindi language and twang) who nowadays fly all over to support their number one.

Since the corruption and incompetence I do not have anyone in"Windies" team who I can faithfully support especially the only One is on pre retirement schedule and many trying to eliminate him prematurely (as usual with WICB Jacks and disciples).

Ghana people follow cricket?

In reply to goofballs

Stop your bs, you know the majority of people of Indian decent from titsland and and the muddies always support India , I was informed of this on this Mb.

In reply to sudden
Those were the days my friend!
That's why you have some (maybe one) geriatrics stuck in that period.
We loved cricket for cricket and nothing else.
It was not politics or race warfare as the pre Prumpian era turned out to be.
We cheered and supported good cricket all around even when the opposing side played a good shot or bowled or fielded well.
Confession: I loved Gavaskar, Vishwanath, Cowdrey, Graveney, Bradman, Doug Peters and many along with every single member of the true West Indies team in those days.
There were just faint, brief inaudible rumblings when a particular regional player was not selected because of someone from another region of almost equivalent qualifications, but nobody made a big deal out of it. (I felt sorry for Maurice Foster whenyouths Rowe and Kalli ascended).

I supported West Indies, but wanted to see the greats from all over at Bourda...and cheered for some of them

In reply to tc1

Watch it deh, you Animal!
I too depend solely on this illustrious publication for the true breaking news. Yeah right!
Have a life, don't depend on likes opf Jalasses Larwars and Emirs.
What's your source, some racist anti Indian?

What if the support the Indian team anyhow, if your source is impeccable based on scientific survey and Dukes like statistics?
Yuh cyaat bunning?
All CCC blacks support South Africa. I cannot say that without the statistics but reading this illustrious publication one can draw their own conclusions. I don't have any issues either way.


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What is Bullshit about this factual observation of mine?
They had a call out for jackasses in another thread.
Maybe your finger missed on the keyboard.
When last you had some?

P.S. Get a life rather than constantly coming here with negativity and sour puss that just stinks up the place.

In reply to goofballs

I was in Lauderhill for the first match and spoke to the guys of the Indian Army, they are from Mumbai. A group of about 40 are following the Indian team in the Caribbean.

They are well versed on Cricket in The Caribbean and West Indies History. They wanted to meet Kanhai and thought he lived in Guyana. Next on their agenda was to have pictures taken with Kanhai, Sobers , Hall and Griffith.

They want to visit Lara at his home. They heard he has a swimming pool shaped as a bat.

In reply to tc1

Limestone tc1

Don't believe some stuff you hear on this mb.

My grandfathers may have supported Indian cricket teams.
Today, the younger generation gats very little navel string
connection or appreciation of such traditions.

They are Trini's to the bone and support the CWI team.

Now when it comes to the Trinidad Red Force, we are family and support dem to the bone over anybady.

In reply to tc1

Those of Indian descent that are Muslims support Pakistan not india

In reply to doosra

In reply to sgtdjones

Perhaps both?

What I noticed, from when I left the colony after decades of suppression/oppression and lack of self esteem, some were not appreciating their culture of origin or were made to feel ashamed, inferior, abused about being idol worshippers, having to change their names and get baptized to get jobs, etc. "The superior west" was the one and only God, religion, culture/music, way of life, etc.
I guess the "town men" acquiesced more quickly .
The country men and school kids were laughed at and bullied, also especially in the great Queen's College. Same as to how they make fun of Berbicians here because they don't comply with the One god and culture and become one of the cults disciples and forget their rich heritage.

In reply to sudden

Yes, but the Bajan's have never so openly supported mother England.

In reply to goofballs

In Guyana, everything of one culture was suppressed/fading away with little exposure whereas in Trinidad and Suriname the music, culture and some residual language remained leading to evolution of hybrid soca, etc.
People identified with their heritage/race yet were and are die hard patriots of their countries of residence (edited)because they were comfortable in their own skins.

In Guyana, after some decades, seems like people suddenly awoke and become more aware and proud of their heritage, started wearing saris, Indian music was being played on the radios again in spite of Jalasses treatise on it.
So sometime in the ?90s these folks were more in touch with their rich culture and heritage and were no longer made to, or felt ashamed of who they were by the propaganda du jour before then..

Maybe I saw the stark difference after being away from it all.
So people might indeed be more enthusiastic and demonstrative about anything East Asian (India/Pakistan).

In reply to Drapsey

Politics may have a say in it, it is a deeply ethnically divided country. Sadly, the politicians on both sides use to maximize whole.

[b]In reply to sgtdjones[/[ Goofy,
Tell me the race relations between Indians and blacks have improved, but don’t tell how good it is , be honest and have the discussion which may lead to better relationship.
Brothers, I lived in NY for many years and have heard stories about this . I prefer Runs approach to the subject matter.
I am finish on this topic.

In reply to sgtdjones

After being amongst them for a while, I can say all (Indians/Pakistanis) except one poster here who got converted, are in awe of, and worship, WI cricketers from the past and are more angry at the destruction of the WI system than of Pakistan stumblings.

A good West Indian team is the most entertaining of them all.

In reply to tc1

i can tell you in many ways race relations have improved in Guyana...we still have issues esp along political lines

but we do not see races murdering and hating each other here like they do in places like the USA where you live

In reply to doosra

Really? I beg to differ buddy.
Lusignan? Fineman gang? Blackie?
Who were they killing?
It is still bad in Guyana do not sugarcoat it.
The media are divided along ethnic lines, social media are filled with trolls on both sides pushing the envelope.

Putting into context I would say it is very bad. in the US there is a proliferation of guns which are used to commit these acts. In Guyana criminals target based on ethnicity.
Crime is very high based on population size.

In reply to Runs

i live here, you live in the USA

you cannot pick a damn single period of time and conclude with that

in fact, 400+ black men were killed during that period...who killed them?>

In reply to tc1

Where am I saying any of the above, Bhai?
I don't know.
I postulated and gave an opinion which might suggest/explain why more attention is focused on anything Indian (including cricket team) by the Indian race in Guyana.

Look, we have had some previous decent interactions on this MB and I hope it continues that way.

In reply to Runs

i teach 100s every year, i visit many communities...i travel the country on projects...i can tell you it is not what i read about in the 60s and 70s and 80s

i see mixed marriages all over...

In reply to doosra

I visit often and am privy to reports, I know what I speak about. After the jailbreak criminals were out in society creating mayhem.
Everyday you hear about sensational crimes, just don’t take my word, news is at everyone’s fingertips today, all are well aware. Do not push it under the rug.

In reply to Runs

and that is exactly my point

why would u want to judge the whole society based on what a few criminal elements did?

overall is what matters...not criminal elements

and btw, that criminal element has context...

In reply to Runs

can you list them and say if they are about bad race relations?

crime is all over

i do not hear about 250+ mass shootings on one group of people by another

In reply to doosra

Guy, crime continues to this day, jailbreaks, prison riotings, it is even livecast on social media. The Minister responsible was even asked to step down. Go check the recent crime stats.
Who are committing them? I will agree in Berbice we see an increase on indo vs indo crimes.
Carry on, instead of debating it, project with whataboutism.
You say you do what again?

In reply to Runs

tell me more about jailbreaks, crimes and riots first...

and tell me about how they are related to race

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In reply to doosra

I will say this again, and not because of some wild guess, Guyana would have been much more integrated with a hybrid race long time now if wasn't for the staged inciting of racial riots and killings/burnings etc. suppression.
We would have had more douglas than Bravos and all of T$T.

In reply to Runs

i asked for facts from above and tell me how it is related to race

if u want debate put an argument

In reply to doosra

I already did, go check my first post.

In reply to Runs

that is your first post

that is an argument?

In reply to doosra

Directed at you brightboy
Now run along damn idiot.

In reply to Runs

stating that there is crime and concluding from that that it is about race is hardly an argument

In reply to Runs

when people call allyuh out allyuh get vex eh

In reply to doosra

I spoke about the ethnic divide and how politics and crime have played a part. Banas get lost eh.
Nope when you meet others who are up or above your level ya’all does get yer panties twisted. I know the types well.
Those Lusignan murders have set back race relations for decades.

In reply to Runs

you still trying to craft an argument?

In reply to Runs

How did you arrive at that conclusion? Steeups!!

In reply to Kay

My brother in law was slaughtered by someone from a different race leaving 2 young kids orphans. Trust me I know personally you damn clown.

That Doosra is similar to you in mentality, damn hungry belly lowlifes

In reply to Banner

Many Indian Guyanese love and support individual players from the sub-continent, but a smaller number support those countries.

For some strange reason, Indian support for sub-continent cricket draws angry and irrational criticism from others. Meanwhile, many Guyanese of various backgrounds support Black sportsmen from other countries, for no other reason than their race, and draw no criticism whatsoever for that.

Guyanese, and Caribbean, "fairness" at work!

In reply to Norm

No, you have it all wrong. Guyanese of South Asian decent who consider themselves as "Indo" Guyanese support India and a lesser number support Pak, when these two team play against WI. I consider this as form of treason.

Meanwhile, Guyanese of South Asian ancestry who do not subscribe to the racist "Indo" label support WI and are fully assimilated in to mainstream Guyanese society.



Either your racism or your ignorance is showing here.

The issue is very specific- supporting India when playing against your own country- in this case WI, and if you cannot differentiate this, then you need help.

In reply to Emir

[i]"No, you have it all wrong. Guyanese of South Asian decent who consider themselves as "Indo" Guyanese support India and a lesser number support Pak, when these two team play against WI. I consider this as form of treason.

Meanwhile, Guyanese of South Asian ancestry who do not subscribe to the racist "Indo" label support WI and are fully assimilated in to mainstream Guyanese society."[/i]


Where is the data for that?


"I consider this as form of treason."

Well, whoop dee doo! Lolol. Good thing your 'consideration' ain't worth squat. Are all those African organizations that name start with African this and African that and whose members consider themselves African Guyanese be guilty of treason?

In reply to Emir

Wait a minute ... where do you live, and do you support that country?

Anyway, the ability to cheer for ANYONE in sports is called "democracy".

In reply to Banner

Guyana is a very fractured society. Even sport is viewed as a political act

I agree with doosra...he lives and works there, and is in a better position to comment

We overseas tend to sensationalize individual incidents and blow things out of proportion

Not saying there are not problems, but Guyana is not unique where problems are concerned

In reply to Jumpstart

It's not...maybe politically, but so are the Repubs and Dems in the US

In reply to ray

Guyana is the only Caribbean country that has fought a war solely based on race. Their race relations( or lack thereof) have been the source of countless university studies. If it's a politically fractured country and the basis of that country's politics is race, the it is a fractious country. Trinidad and suriname for example have divisions by race.........but nothing like Guyana and Fiji

In reply to Jumpstart

School them brother

Indo Guyanese, like every other Guyanese, should feel free to support whomever they want. If they choose to support Team India, big deal. Allyuh learn to live with that.

Really? This is a regurgitated statistic that is wholly untrue. There were a number of criminals and victims included in the count. This lie should be put to rest.


Again, not true. There was no race war fought in Guyana. There was racial strife, and rioting.

In reply to Emir

Sheer Bull Crap.
It is so stupid that it is laughable but sad at the pig headed ignorance.

Bhai Jaan, I will have to remove the Jaan and soon the Bhai if you keep on coming with this crap, all your own creation of the nomenclature in your concrete, fixed, inflexible thought process

In reply to goofballs

Bro..this man has an anti-Indo Guyanese agenda parading daily. Sad to see such a maligned psyche at this stage in his life.

In reply to Jumpstart

Fiji solved theirs to a lesser extent by legislating that no further land can be sold. it will be leased. that fear was that the indian population brought in by the english would buyout all the land of the native population thru trickery or by offering lots of money and then the natives would find themselves landless in their own country.

i did a land case study on Fiji

In reply to sudden

Fiji is a different situation though. The native population is Fiji was not exterminated and the native people had very legitimate cause.

The Guyana problem is one of racism by a section of the immigrant from India who consider align their identity as Indo and their racism is directed against Afro Guyanese.

Note, not all Guyanese of South Asian ancestry are Indo.

The word Indo is not an abbreviation for “Guyanese of Indian decent, it is made up racist identity full of hate and backwardness.

In reply to Emir

Stupid is as stupid does!

Apart from being an obsessed mad man about certain issues related to propagation of Islam and anti any other of Indian race,
you missed the bigger picture.
If you want to talk about treason,
Being of Indian race was considered treason by many during the 60s, 70s, probably 80s

and actions by Indian hating regime and followers like Jalass and old Larwa (aka Burnhamites) have been according.

I said recently "Jalass was better than Burnham" as a satirical response because whereas Burnham (he taught Trump) and the CIA did what they had to do to seize power after destabilization,

the insemination of hate in some prevail whereby they breathe, smell, exude hate from every pore in their bodies.
Forget the bullying and crimes that I have elaborated on in my debut here

that the Burnhamites were quick to defend by calling the reporter of that part of history as delusional.

Here is the problem with that infamous 400 list.

In reply to Jumpstart

Bro...this assassination attempt on Jagan that you speak of...can you elaborate? This is news to me.

Why would anyone want to kill a passive, non-threatening opposition leader? Jagan was toothless, and the Burnhamites knew it.

Now with Rodney, the Burnhamites saw the threat and they eliminated him.

In reply to runout

Watch the Jaganites come after you now!

But wait? Shouldn't this be in the backroom?

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

Yes, moderators lapsing

I swear some of the Arguments here are from the 70s to the 90s. Clearly from my name you can tell I'm an Indian.
I'm in my 30s and if the Indian team lost 5 series in a Row it will not bother me one bit. but it does when WI lose even thou they are expected to lose. In School I went to Uitvlugt where Majority of the people were blacks in the village, Untop of that we used to play a lot of Cricket in vergenoegen too with blacks without any racial elements. I had black friends that defended me when needed and I still keep in contact here and there. There was nothing racial going on in school like what this board make it seems. Of course there are people who are going to be racial, It's all over the world and that will not stop. The perception from the Indian community is that, To be in WI team you need to be twice as good compared to a black and that's primarily why they support India or Pakistan. I get called Coolie bai alot as a nick name and I would call them Blacka without any trouble.

In reply to vsingh

yeah...dem bais on here are old time hard back old men

In reply to doosra
I have been a Pak supporter since I first saw them, I had never seen so many talented players in one team.Isaw umpires cheat them left right and centre, it the 80s.Windies is my team forever no matter even if I cuss them.

In reply to ray

Seem suh

I'll bet if Nigeria send a football team to play Jamaica or Trinidad tc1 will be supporting Nigeria.

In reply to vsingh

Can you please reference the arguments that you can identify from the 70' & 80's?

This thread was about the Guyanese support for Team India.

In reply to ray

Darn fella, don't knock yourself so hard.

In reply to runout

I am going to answer you question with a question since you "runout" of ideas. Burnham and Jagan was discussed on this thread, now remind me when were they in power again???

In reply to vsingh

If you were to read the thread, the reference to Jagan incepted when a poster misrepresented the facts stating that there was an assassination attempt on Jagan. Nothing more!

Do Guyanese Indians support India at the Olympics, the Commonwealth Games or any world meet other than cricket?

In reply to B16JP587S

My grandfather was Indian and he told us we were West Indians we need to support them.
I know they support Bollywood movies and music

In reply to Runs

Yep but doubtless some others did support India over the WI. However, I don't think Guyanese Indians make it a point to support India in any other sport/competition. So while race may play a little part in their support for the Indian cricket team in the 70s and 80s there must be another component or reason(s) to the support. And that support in the 70s and 80s is nowhere as strong nowadays, I would believe. Different times, different people.

In reply to B16JP587S

I maintain it has or had political implications also, during the 70’s and 80’s even 2000’s when Shiv was let go from the one day side, the then president Jagdeo was seen protesting. Remember Sarwan pulling out from the Indian Commemoration game due to the backlash, I can’t remember the exact details. A disenfranchised hopeless segment of the Indian population turned to and supported India and identified as such, the muslims Pakistan. Viv noticed it and made comments, it was common knowledge that WI did not get much support in Guyana, a famous one day was won by India in Berbice in the 80’s, Kapil Dev was the hero, Indians were supported overwhelmingly in that game.
I know Indos who will never support WI, I am ridiculed by some for supporting WI, they claim they have ethnically biased selections.
A lot of Indo Guyanese are still pro India in all aspects. they support the govt etc like him or hate him and I agree Emir does go overboard at times but he has identified that segment.

It may have changed, I will say I was surprised to see that many Indians waving India’s flag, that is new. India had a lot of support in that T20, I will look keenly tomorrow to see if it was an anomaly as some are saying, times have changed.
I will agree they are free to support, many are only a couple of generations removed from India, they practice the same culture are ethnically related etc so likes hang and support likes, human nature I suppose, we are predisposed to ethnic bias.

A few of my friends were at the Marriott hanging with the Indian players.

Sheer bullcrap (my keyword) yahso.
We were all loyal supporters of the West Indies team even though there was one regular player of East Indian descent in the 60s. Rohan Kanhai.
Why? It was the best team based on merit, and they were good.........darn good!!

India toured WI once a decade in those days.
1952-53
1961-62
1970-71

I don't know about the 50s. They were weak.
In the 1960's, mediocre and the racial riots didn't start then, methinks.

1971 came a previously non entity team (except for an occasional individual performers over the decades).
They did very well. A black guy(non Guyanese, of course) wrote a calypso about the little Master who beat them like step chile.
India was a resurgent side and it was a joy for any real (not Jalassed) cricket fan to see the underdog slap up Sobers and Co, the Englishmen and all that.
So many Indian cricketers especially Gavaskar became heroes to people of all nationalities and race (except certain Guyanese).

Historically, this was coming after massive riots, burning down of houses, killings, rapes and being chased away from whole villages.
It was, to use Emir's word, treason to be of Indian race, to eat Indian (hence the banning of food items), to be part of an Indian culture.
The ruling party inseminated followers (Prumpites, I mean Burnhamites, not necessarily all blacks) ridiculed, bullied and tried to degrade Indian people and everything Indian not by just calling them idol worshippers, not geting gov't jobs, etc. These things tend to do a number on self esteem and people were suppressed.
So, when an Indian team actually came and did fairly well, especially Gavaskar clapping up Sobers backside, oh, that square cut, it did something for the psyche of the ridiculed race.
So there was some pride there.
Switching loyalties?
Not that I was aware of, not in my circles.

I could never understand either the Guyanese Indian, or Black, that blindly support Indian cricketers or Black sportsmen.

Many Indians look down on the descendants of Indians who left India as indentured workers. Similarly, many Black Africans look down on the descendants of Black slaves. So, why praise those who would treat you with contempt?

In reply to Norm

Norm, when they migrate to North America they realise this, by the way the Indian nationals treat them, refusing to assimilate or accept.
The reverse can then be observed, Indo Guyanese proudly displaying Guyana’s flag in their cars and wearing t-shirts etc. It never became one big family reunion, we are happy to rejoin again as one big happy Indian family, come my long lost brothers.

I observed this in college, at work etc and I proudly say I am West Indian and they accept that.

In reply to goofballs


Did I say that at time all things Indian were suppressed by Prump's godfather?
Food, culture, etc.
Maybe the other race got jealous in the backdrop of racial tensions, and made a case for treason because the Indian race felt happy at individual performances of the Indian players and thus accuse them of selling out.

In the meantime, as Indian culture was suppressed from all around, and people encouraged to become one people (integrate and forget Indian habits) Africans at the same time were quickly learning about their history and rich heritage.
They went all the way back to Africa and suddenly the whole country was wearing Dashiki and converting to African names...Eusi and stuff like that

whilst Prumpites were ridiculing the Indians.

Prump learnt from Burnham, but was a dunce student.
All the backroom and this young Sing guy should learn from their own history.

In reply to vsingh

Yeah right, Kiddo!

Try 60s and 70s.

I am glad there is peaceful coexistence.

My folks said they all got along well until the orchestrated riots suddenly erupted.

America looked wonderful and peaceful (on the surface) until the hate crimes erupted.

So, it goes back to the manipulation of people, fanning the flames.

In reply to Runs

The need for identity and social gathering is natural. That's why this constant search for reasons to divide, especially among the common folk, always baffles me. We have ethnicity, skin color, religion, economic status, gender, etc, to readily divide us, but rarely do we strive to find reasons to unite.

Younger Guyanese living in Guyana are of the opinion that the racial divide is narrowing, but the older Guyanese emigrants doubt that. Is it because acceptance would imply that the younger Guyanese are solving a problem that the older ones could not?

Anyway, Guyana is a democratic country. Guyanese could support who the f*** they want to. Skunts who think that it is a problem when Indians support Indian cricketers could kerry their big old skunts wherever they want to!!!!

In reply to Norm

I was so hopeful when a young hip Jagdeo took the helm. The promise was that he would bridge the divide, the youths were tired and wanted togetherness. Sadly that never happened.
I grew up in GT among all the races, we were young, innocent had no care for racial divide. As we grew older we retreated into our ethnic comfort zones sadly refusing to truly assimilate, we hang with same etc. Am I optimistic? History is not a good indicator, Guyana needs one heck of a leader to unite her, I have not seen such an individual but I pray, hope and wish.

In reply to Norm



Of course, it needs not be said, but when you are dealing with primitive tribal mentality (this is mine, that is not yours, etc) if they hear it from an esteemed peer like you, they might give it a thought.......that it is ok to eat roti or like Bradman Smith, Kohli or Dumminy or Serena.

I like Rohit. Who vex, vex.

Disclosure: I do not blindly support this current "Windies" team, just selectively.
When they kick out youthful Gayle, I might not watch them play.

When Indians came to the Caribbean they were very small in numbers, and they were not exactly welcomed by the recently freed Black population. Nor were they treated kindly by the Europeans, to whom they were essentially "Slaves Ver. 2.0".

For complex reasons, no strong bond developed between the Blacks and Indians - and the Europeans certainly did not mind. Indians struggled to unite among themselves first, and then to develop an identity as an ethnic group in the Caribbean. That identity included keeping parts of the culture they brought from India. See a bit about this here.

Thus, it should surprise no reasonable person that Caribbean Indians would continue to associate with India in some ways, and that some would happily support Indian cricketers.

In reply to goofballs

Rohit is a baad man! And there is a whole army of young baadman Indian cricketers on the way too!

The India A team currently in the Caribbean, for example, might be a better match for the WI senior team than the India senior team.

[Singing] "Ah love mi kabanca - curry kabanca! Dhall and roti, beta!" or something like that!

How about "Roll up de tassa, Bissessah!"



Skunts need to learn to appreciate and embrace the culture of others!!!!

In reply to Norm

Shubman Gill is my future superstar batsman. I look for the finest players despite team and follow, I have my stars from all the teams.
If you truly like cricket you will admire the best.
As a youth I wanted to bat like Amarnath and hit everything out of the ground. Tried the straight side on stance but no luck.

In reply to Runs

Shubman is a very talented and capable batsman. He seems to let his emotions get the better of him tho. His complaints after not being selected for the India senior team recently, for example, show that his progress could be hindered by non-cricketing factors.

Hotstar shows some youth and India state level cricket competitions. The quality of play far exceeds similar levels of competition in the Caribbean. The quality of the coverage too is as good as anything, including Test and ODI coverage, in the Caribbean. Every match has a speed gun, for example. No wonder Indian cricket is top class now, and is still improving.

In reply to Norm

Yep a bit hot headed

In reply to Runs


I can't recall a Pakistani team visiting West Indies under my tenure there

and I was right!

Wiki says

They came before I had sense
1957-58 the first Little Master, Hanif Mohammed and his 337

then after I left the colony
1976-77.

So Runs dem had to choice but watch, perchance "support" the Indian team but they had Abid Ali, Salim Durani to relate to but before then the one eyed tiger,Nawab of Pataudi, Mansoor Ali Khan.
However, as I was trying to school some, we didn't have that divide between Muslims and Hindus in Guyana as the India and Pakistan's.

Then again, I am sure in 1973 or 74 time, I do remember going to Skeldon and watch a Pakistani team with Intikabh Alam and co playing a limited over match there.
Had fun watching those guys.

In reply to goofballs

1977 was my first visit to a test match at Bourda, Pakistan vs WI. Majid, Zaheer, Mushtaq and a young Imran. Bourda was soldout, those days had guys up in the huge Samaan trees around the ground watching.
Electrifying atmosphere, never to return. Beautiful Bourda is now a sorry sight.
I saw a small transistor radio recently and bought it, my wife asked me what that was for? I replied sentimental reasons, I slept with one to my ear as a teen listening to Jim Maxwell and Tony Cozier Down Under, as WI toured.

In reply to goofballs

Yeah, I don't remember a Pakistan senior team visit while we were in school. I remember the tour of the Pakistan International Airlines team to Guyana tho, under the auspices of the Berbice Cricket Board. That was the first time we saw Sikhander Bakt. Intikhab Alam was already well-known from English county cricket.

Wait a minute. Didn't Croft and Garner make their Test debuts against Pakistan in the West Indies during that time?

In the late 80's (if I remember correctly), the Pakistan senior under Imran Khan, team toured the Caribbean and played at Bourda, during a very long dry spell of weather. Despite the Bourda wicket being even more dead than usual, Imran still managed to create havoc among the WI batsmen. It was one of the few times that Keith Arthurton justified his senior team spot.

Anyway, cricket fans of ALL backgrounds enjoyed the Pakistan visit, except for a few grumbles from the more politically inclined when some Indians cheered for Pakistan on-field successes.

In reply to Runs

That was a classic group of cricketers in those days. Maybe Javed Miandad and Wasim Raja came on board later on.

I listened to radio commentary all the way where I was.

This Skeldon match is bothering me. It is not listed as a tour. But I know it happened.

Remember Black Jack clapped a straight drive from Intikabh's leg spin and ball disappeared. It was hit so hard couldn't see it till Intikabh threw it up in the air, caught and bowled.

In reply to goofballs

Wasim Bari and Raja may have been in the side along with Sarfraz Nawaz.

In reply to goofballs

Probably part of the PIA tour.

In reply to Norm

Ok, you have better preserved memory than me.
I think we had just finished O levels but other schools/classes like in Line Path secondary were open.

In reply to goofballs

I think PIA played 2 matches in Berbice, one in Skeldon and the other at Albion.

Bollywood star Anushka Sharma and hubby Virat are the stars of GT. Happy to see them out and about enjoying the Garden City.

The Pakistan International Airlines tour of Guyana was in 1975.

In reply to Norm

Thanks!
I remember when they were being driven back in their "motorcade" they were blowing horns and the villagers were out cheering and waving at them.

In reply to goofballs

Who is Doug Peters?

In reply to Casper

Goofy's getting old now. He probably meant Doug Walters.

In reply to Norm

let me ask this as a matter of understanding. i mean no disrespect here.

if indo guyanese do not feel comfortable living among blacks why do they go to other black caribbean islands? why not go back to India?

In reply to sudden

Trump of the Caribbean..

This is a funny thread. If you put 11 Bajans or 11 Trinis on a West Indian team, how much support would they get from their fellow West Indians?

If 11 Indo West Indians represented the West Indies in a series against a South African side that had a handful of black cricketers, who would West Indians support?

This is a site where the only time Golf or car racing is discussed is when it has to do with Tiger Woods and Lewis Hamilton.

Anyway, in a few years time Indian culture will all but disappear from Guyana and Trinidad. Hindi movies and music will no longer be ingrained in the coming generations of Indo West Indian youths.

During Obama's two terms as president, was there ever a day that went by where there wasn't an active thread about him in the backroom?

If Indo Guyanese and Indo West Indians want to support India against whomever, that is their business, and they shouldn't be criticized or ridiculed over it.

In reply to Devin

glad to have you here. perhaps you can answer my question above.

altho i can agree with some of what you said above regarding people having the right to support whomever they want, let me say this-

indo caribbean is largely TT and Guyana. overwhelmingly the rest of the caribbean is black or a mixture thereof, so it is highly likely that the WI team will be mostly if not all black. equally i dont get your point re black support for car racing and golf black stars. that will happen as indo guyanese supporting indo players or whomever they want. so yuh talking bare shoite there.

In reply to sudden

Just because Indo West Indians feel unsafe living amongst Guyanese blacks, it doesn't necessarily mean that they will feel the same way living amongst Bajan blacks or black people from other parts of the Caribbean.

You do understand that their is a lot of bad blood and history between the two in Guyana, don't you? You do understand that when certain types of crimes are/were committed in Guyana, historically speaking, it was being done so by black people.

In reply to sudden

People look at racism and interpret as an ugly thing. Supporting someone only because they are the same race as you, is also racist, as far as I'm concerned. Black people will support everything that is black, to the point that they will celebrate a murderer being freed or condemn other black people for speaking out about R. Kelly and Bill Cosby.

We live in a racial world and 95-99% of the world's population is racist. Deal with it.

In reply to Devin

thanks for answering my question mate. at least you had the guts to do so. understood. cool

In reply to Devin

not true re R Kelly but it is unsafe to use the USA black situation to project how all blacks will respond. the white black dynamic in the US is comparable to the indo afro dynamic in Guyana. Blacks have been historically marginalised and wrongfully imprisoned and lynched by whites in the US just like you said Indo were targeted by Blacks in Guayna but 100% worse.

In reply to sudden

Agreed. As I see it, the situation in America regarding blacks and whites is irreparable.

In reply to Devin

re Indo in Bim. largely Blacks and Indos only mix at schools and perhaps in the workplace. but each leave the other alone to live how best they will. altho i see some mixing taking place. do you think that is a tenable situation?

In reply to sudden

Well, you can’t fault them for mistaking the West Indies as part of India.

In reply to sudden

Taking your "no disrespect" at face value, in the case of Guyana, the non-Blacks believe that Guyana is just as much their home as it is for Blacks. (Blacks never claimed they had more rights to Guyana either.) There is no "going back" to anywhere for Guyanese of any race. Very few of the Guyanese descendants of Caribbean immigrants ever returned to the Caribbean islands.

There was a period under Burnham when Black violence, against both Blacks and non-Blacks, was a very significant factor in the large number of people leaving the country. That was way beyond merely "not feeling comfortable living among Blacks".

Just like Black West Indians who leave their countries but never go back to Africa, Guyanese Indians rarely choose to migrate to India. They have no automatic right to Indian citizenship, and in some cases, the homelands of their ancestors disappeared in the Indian partition.

In reply to Norm

thanks for answering after my man Devin had the guts to do so

In reply to StumpCam

fucking europeans always fucking up but coming out on top whilst the rest fight

In reply to sudden

Devin, what size pants do you wear, bhai?

In reply to sudden

I do think it's tenable, especially in these culturally and racially sensitive times. While racism, or at least racist thoughts may never disappear, we are all learning to be more accepting, understanding and tolerant of other cultures, races, and beliefs.

In reply to Norm

33/34.

In reply to Devin

i was in Bim one year and got lost somewhere in Kensington New Rd so i knocked at a house and an indian gave me direction in the rawest bajan i ever heard without even batting an eye. i laughed and he asked why i laughing at that as his directions are impeccable.

then at Browns Beach which is the local bajans beach indo bajans come in their beach attire- men in trunks and woman in full gear and no one is bothered. they go and buy snow cones and enjoy themselves like any other bajan. the same goes for whites and other races if there are any.

somehow we have come up with a social arrangement that seemingly works on the surface. but i fear it will not last for long.

In reply to StumpCam

lol... That was one of the funniest lines I've read on this board... Subtle yet funny... Good on ya Stumpy..

I support Pakistan over India

In reply to ray

Me too and it shows

In reply to sudden

It can work because West Indians are generally laid back and Indians, for the most part, are passive and peaceful.

Now if the Indian presence increased to the point that they accounted for 30-40% of Barbados' population, then you may have some issues.

In reply to Norm
Norm my brother you’re killing me over here man. what a response!! You always had a way with words even back in Saiyus days
PS on this discussion I believe people have a right to support any team they wish or any player they wish. It’s no different than West Indians who are citizens in England support the West Indies when they play England And that is their Democratic right.

In reply to CricSham

According to one person here that is treasonous. You can't have children of West Indians who were born in England supporting the West Indies. Off with their heads!

In reply to B16JP587S

In reply to Devin
Devin I like you bwoi but I’m closer to 34 than 33. What can I say I just like meh dhall and roti.

In reply to sudden

You becoming soft.

In reply to sudden

Huh...Do you expect Indos to behave like aliens???

In reply to runout

a lot of indos in Bim are straight from India and are Muslims and maintain many religious traditions. when i said full gear (if that is what you mean) i was referring to muslim women at the beach in beach attire and the only thing you could see was their eyes whilst the men were in trunks.

the guyanese indos are a different story. Devin knew exactly what i was talking about.

In reply to tc1

hahaha i know right

In reply to sudden

You know my friend Mood? Has a rental think on the end, Inch Marlowe, also into agro processing?

In reply to Runs

on Browne's Beach?

In reply to sudden


Surfer's Point, Inch Marlowe, Christ Church

In reply to Runs

nah. i havent been up Inch Marlowe in years man. is that where they do the kite surfing?

In reply to sudden

Yep, good fishing up there, one day god willing I shall retire there

In reply to Runs

fish off the rocks or on a boat?


why would you retire in Bim?

In reply to sudden

Off the rocks, why not? Good healthcare system, pretty safe island, great people, and fishing. I don’t ask for much. plus cricket, and out of hurricanes path.
Any better suggestions?

In reply to Runs

healthcare not so good unless you have insurance. Govt system backlogged and dont carish. i didnt know you catch good fish off the rocks up there. must try that one day

In reply to sudden

Ok then I fly up to Miami for major issues. Yea mon variety of fishes, barracuda etc Lotsa guys fish there, you can park right off the rocks.

In reply to Runs

yeah i checked into the insurance thing recently. without any preexisting illnesses and depending on age it was around $2500 bajan a year. but Powen can verify. that was at ICB and that was major medical covering everything including dental and private hospital stay and any outside that they fly you to Miami.

i found that v reasonable and inter alia it informed my decision to retire there completely in a couple years. i have a property not far from Inch Marlowe so if you do we can hook up

In reply to sudden

Cool, am aways from ret next time I come down will let you know. I should look into getting a property now, pm me a good realtor. Thanks bro.

In reply to Runs

i dont live there now but will be in a couple of years. i will PM you a real estate broker website but Powen is the man to contact.

In reply to sudden

Boy, you are a piece of


SOMETHING ELSE.

It is like asking the complaining American blacks why they don't go back to Africa, or Liberia.
Equally nasty and disrespectful.

Just as they consider America home, so the Indian race feels/felt about Guyana.

People are basically good human beings. But like little (primitive minds I say) children, if they are fed negativity, they will regress and let the beast come out and react violently.
Their actions are the problem.
Let a kid "realize" that he got the smaller half and see if you can rationalize with him.

So when the CIA/Burnham incited the Burnhamites on basis of race hate, all hell broke loose. One set is usually peaceful and their great leader kept on asking for restraint whilst another set was more, let's say athletic.
So, without regurgitating the horrific details, and relocation of people from almost half of villages due to the looting, assaults, rapes, murders, there was tension for decade(s) further propagated by the great leader of the country then aggravating the situation for spite.

I contend that Prump was his chela/godchild or disciple but Prump's head haaad! "Exact same thing" happening in 'Merica and people bawling foh murder.

The fact that Guyana survived all that and there was no major race conflict/war speaks a lot to the resilience of the people and their peaceful coexistence although they might mutter under their breath about the discrimination of whatever gov't is in power.

In reply to sudden

Thanks

In reply to sudden

I was in love for a long time with a Muslim girl who lived in Kensington. She, along with her sister, attended SMS as well. Shameela, ah yes, sweet shameela.

Years ago when West Indies were playing India at Kensington, the cameraman was focusing on her in the crowd. I fell in love again after seeing her that day.

In reply to goofballs

Oops!
Answer: it is not about being uncomfortable amongst blacks.
It is being around violence, hate crimes against other race, etc. just like you might move out of the inner city crime area.
Crime is not unique to any one race. Every country has crimes committed.
People live with or around it.
When you are targeted because of the color of your skin........

In reply to goofballs

Being race-conscious is not the same as being a racist.

In reply to runout

Tell de kid above.

It is a natural thing to have bias and something must be wrong with you if you don't relate to something that most look like you, talk like you, smell like you, etc.

In reply to Devin
are you in contact with her? how well do muslims and hindus interact in Bim?

In reply to Devin

Ok, Dev.
It is not being racist if you like or relate the most to something close to you, look like you or which you have commonalities with.
In fact it is a good thing to have an identity.

Haven't had my coffee yet but google.....
Just a quick look at the dictionary although each person has a different interpretation of what a racist is.

In reply to sudden

Not sure how they interact. Not in contact with her. She's married with a pickney.

In reply to Devin

Not your pickney, right????

In reply to Devin

wait she is the bajan chick that visited u in Canada sometime back that you were thinking of marrying?

Ooops! I am very sorry as it seems I killed this beautiful thread by responding to Prump's godson, Sudden, go back thread.

In reply to sudden

Shelly is the Bajan chick who visited me. Shameela is a Muslim Bajan girl who used to attend SMS with me.

In reply to Devin

so what happened there man? werent you contemplating marriage?

The girl heard he visited Patna and Guyana. So questioning his judgement she left .

People have the right to support whom they want “Freedom of Expression” as long as they keep it lawful.

However, Indians in the Caribbean over the years have felt racial tension by the negro community. It is a plague that has been routed from within that has manifested itself in the open. Unfortunately, the politicians actually added fluid to the flames instead.

This is very unfortunate for we ALL were created by ‘ONE GOD’ where all are equal, but due to the ignorance planted by our ancestors it has poisoned the minds of some.

As for me as my ancestors from India and my faith in The Almighty there is only ONE RACE that’s the human race and a Trini to d bone.

The dilemma right here.

When one Supremist dicktator tried to kill it, "wusser" the identity issue.

Never Indian enough or Caribbean enough to some

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In reply to Devin


Love watching cricket in Bim.

In reply to azadtnt

how yuh guh be trini to d bone and yuh believe in only one race, the human race? If is one race then is one world-without borders. no trini or mini or genie.

btw if I am trini to de nucleus does dat mean I am more trini dan you?

In reply to Devin

That is quite a general statement to paint with a broad brush.

Continue...

That is a terrible statement and should roundly be condemned! Depending on the situation some people (of any race) will support anything. But not an entire race of people. Sadly, the ones who support anything are the voices you hear most making it seem like it's the entire race.

[b]In reply to B16JP587S[/

It’s just a matter of your opinion. I’m not a politician (Greed/power/corruption).
It means you love your country (environment in which you live).

In reply to azadtnt

Really dumb statement when the topic is racism and not about mundane issues.



Nasty nasty statement and full of bigotry.



How dare you invoke the almighty in your hate.




Don't fool yourself cuase you ent foolin no one with that crap.

I suggest you put this sermon, link below, to proper practice as you cannot claim to be a believer and harbor the hate inherent in your statement. Educate yourself for tomorrow so you may attain taqwa.

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In reply to azadtnt

Brilliant counterattack..Muslims and black people want to remain connected with people of their faith and race worldwide. When it comes to Indos, they judge and pounce on the Indos' desire to remain connected with their culture by waving fake nationalism..

In reply to Khaga

Kohli and Anushka seems to like Guyana

In reply to Emir

Never miss any opportunity/excuse to propagate, eh?
Convert anyone lately?

I just hear seh Gavaskar had the same batting average as Bradman (99) in Trinidad.

So these self righteous, hypocritical farts expect people not to admire him and make make him a hero?
Everybody in the world did. What if he looks like us and we could identify with him.
But it is treason (tm Imam Emir) if an Indian race in the Caribbean dare express admiration.

The few Burnhamites continue with that mentality, from calling Indians racists for wanting to listen to Indian music or eating Indian food.

First mission is to eradicate the Burnhamites way of thinking. So much hate and discrimination there.

Jamaica says, out of many, One.

In reply to goofballs

de man is considered a trini boi!