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In WI cricket. It cannot be business as usual. A radical shift is needed otherwise we facing the same foolishness. We dont need any foreigners. The success of our regional athletes using local coaching is testament to that.

But it will take some bold leadership and a clear vision to make it happen. Has Skerrit outlined the vision for the WICB? What is their mission? Whats the plan?

When I see those then its a sign they serious and want to be taken seriously. Until then....

In reply to dale_staple

You do not have that kind of leadership in really important things in the Caribbean,but you want it in cricket???? How about Health and Education? What about Law Enforcement? None of these entities have Transformational Leadership ianywhere in the Caribbean!!!!

PHEW

transformational leadership is one of the BS terms that management consultants have thrown around recently.

all leadership should be transformational so this is nothing new. just before this it was performance management and thought management and next year when they want to sell a new management /leadership concept they will invent another BS term and dupes will pay for and run with.

the fact is that proper leadership has been the same as long as some person led and managed men.

In reply to sudden
All leadership should have transactional elements. Transformational adds value

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In reply to camos
Not current at all

In reply to Barry

it is more recent as a holistic management concept mate and not a mere subset of management/ leadership

In reply to Barry

but it is sort of new in the Caribbean ,replacing " stakeholders" as a buzz word.

In reply to Barry

and yes proper leadership/ management have all always had these elements as part of the overall package; some stressed more than others according to circumstances.

nowadays because leadership / management is sold as concepts to better develop / rule the workforce terms are invented and reinvented but essentially management/leadership remains the same

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In reply to sudden and camos
Transactional and transformational leadership are two different elements . . . OD consultants have used the concept for years . . . New in the Caribbean-well you see the problem, no?

In reply to Barry

How did we end up here? Lol. The point is that Skerrit rt al have yet to come out with a Vision or mission for the WICB and the cricket teams. In the past 15 years since the rot set in have we seen a startegic plan from any WICB board?

In reply to Barry


why you bring in Transactional?

The CWI Board could make a statement tonight by selecting a team with some different players just to wake up the present players, send a message that they have to work on their game, play smarter.

In reply to Barry

listen mate stop googling like STDjones. there is nothing new under the sun and least so when it comes to human interaction.

there are various subsets of management / leadership. every 3 years when management consultants want to sell a management / leadership system they come up some term or emphasise one of the subsets and peddle it as something new. use to be every 7 years then 5 now 3 and pretty soon it will be 1.

systems have to be sold, money must be made and people must be duped

In reply to dale_staple

In reply to dale_staple

have a vision and put in place the management to see it fulfilled bearing in mind human behaviour, the willingness to change and all the other factors that could have impact on your vision and its fulfillment

most of all pick the right people to see your vision thru or if you dont have them in house hire them.

it is as simple as that

In reply to Courtesy

Ok. Can u tell me the vision of the wicb? What are the objectives with supporting measures, targets and initiatives? Show me their map so as a stakeholder i can follow.

In reply to sudden
Well, I tried to give you evidence-most normal people in real countries (not sh!thole ones know about transformational/transactional leadership and the value of transformational leadership. I didn't expect you to understand the linking of charismatic and transformational leadership, which is a trend in the last decade . . . The fact is that there are no transformational leaders in these sh!tholes . . you don't inspire, intellectually stimulate, or have influence . . . Maybe Manley . . .

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In reply to dale_staple

You don't come up with a strategic plan 4 months after you have taken office. If his predecessor (Dave Cameron) had gotten it right Skerritt would have a working 2016 -2021 plan. He does not have an existing strat plan. After the 2011-2016 plan (Hilaire plan) expired there was no attempt at continuity neither was that plan evaluated.

I understand the new admin is in the process of putting a new strat plan together based primarily on the Skerritt/Shallow 10 point plan.

Not just a standard vision but motivating stakeholders and generating intense commitment is part of transformational leadership

In reply to Courtesy

Ok. So there was no 2016-20 plan? This explains a lot. But i hear u on the timing. I will wait for the plan. Good to know one is in the works. But is there anywhere i can see the Hillaire plan? Id like to take a look at it.

In reply to dale_staple

I have it on my filling system. I will search the net and if I can get a copy I will post the link. I have posted it here on numerous occasions.

In reply to Courtesy

Thanks. Once i see it we can have a meaningful discussion on what i see as a critical failing...lack of execution of plans.

The new leaders are not the problem. It is the choices we keep making. Too many wrong ones.

In reply to seko

game level choices or management choices?

In reply to camos

Both. But what happens on the field is the result of what happened off it. Its a systemic problem. No matter what anyone says...the consistently poor performance of the players is a systemic peoblem. We are producing poorer and poorer players as the years go by.

when i first managed my own firm i spoke to an old gent who said he would show me how to manage. he said leadership is a different concept; either you have it or you dont.

he further stated that management is a function of leadership or put another way the process to achieving a goal or a vision.

he said to think about it as though i was building a house.

you start with a vision of how you want that house to look

you get an architect to draw a plan following the codes in your area for the site so that the contractor can follow

you hire a contractor- manager or managers

then he hires other skilled people likes engineers, masons, electricians etc

then house is built and no house i know is built exactly to the plan. so along the way you would have changed some things, or even fire the contractor becos he was not building according to your vision / the plan and the contractor himself may have fired some of his workmen for whatever reason

the house is then finished and you have seen your vision completed.

however there is maintenance and every so often you may have to hire someone or a crew to do some touch ups or have an in house crew to maintain the upkeep of the house.

i have always used that to guide me

In reply to sudden

Generally, this is the right concept but managing large firms on the Stock Market requires a totally different approach and skill level. I bold (underline) the word skill...different play.

In reply to Courtesy

yes but those just add more layers and complexity to the system. it essentially remains the same

In reply to sudden

...not only in complexity. Are you familiar with the GAAP standards?

In reply to Courtesy

complexity here means a lot of different elements

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In reply to Courtesy

and another thing the old gent told me. humans complicate management/ leadership to confuse and shut out others by making it appear complex and sophisticated. he said to keep it basic.

and it has worked for me. mind u i dont run a wall street firm so ...

In reply to sudden

Trust me Wall Street and internet companies have changed the way we manage.

In reply to Courtesy

correct but all that is pursuant to a goal or a vision which is leadership, ent?

In reply to sudden

Yep attainment of goals. the whole planning cycle.

In reply to Courtesy

and the way we lose money and invent crises and then ways to solve them all the way making more money and complicating everything so that the public is dumbfounded etc

In reply to sudden

West Indies cricket needs bold new leadership, unfortunately the 3 year election cycle does not really encourages that, Wes Hall was a good manager Uncle Pat was a good leader, not much else has come our way.

In reply to Courtesy

the public / dupes lose not the wall street firms and even if they do, a bail out is there

yeah see yah mate

In reply to sudden

Try not to report loses. Your life as a manager of a Wall Street Company depends on reporting a profit by the end of every financial year. Work miracles, use your skills, do witchcraft, whatever it takes to report positive financials.

In reply to dale_staple

Dale, Deloitte (company which prepared the Strat plan) has taken it down and WICB has also taken it down. I know I have filed it on a drive somewhere. I don't have it in cloud. Will keep searching.

As consultants, we agree on the complexity of the Caribbean social systems and enterprises, but insist that transformational leadership is the key to influencing others despite the many emergent factors.

Marion, R., & Uhl-Bien, M. (2001 ). Leadership in complex organizations. The Leadership Quarterly, 12(4), 389-418.
Wanasika, I., & Krahnke, K. (2018 ). Reexamining Transformational Leadership in Complex Systems. In Engaged Leadership (pp. 199-210). Springer, Cham.

In reply to Courtesy

Now this dusturbs me. Why would the WICB take it down? Thats not a good sign.

In reply to dale_staple

I'll excuse them (WICB). They developed a brand new website and perhaps did not see the need to pin up an outdated document.

Deloitte, it goes without saying...end of contractual obligation.

In reply to Courtesy

Which is why i made no comment about Deloitte. Dont hurt ur head any further. I will just look out for the one to come. I am glad to know that one is to come.