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Has allowed King to leapfrog Ambris.

This is some bullshite.

He must be looking rock solid in the nets and Ambris keep shitting himself

In reply to DIEHARD

President XI game.

In reply to DIEHARD

It's the quota system.

2 Yardies, 1 Dottie.

Oops, make that 2 Dotties.

In reply to Yadi

Guess it's like I said in the nets.

Poor Ambris

In reply to DIEHARD

Ambris is getting a raw deal. This can not be good for his confidence. Poor chap.

Ambris needs to make a fifty next time he get the opportunity to play, that has been his problem so far, he never makes runs at the right time.

In reply to dayne

True... but by any measure, King even if he made more runs in the President's XI it should not have carried more wait than Anbris' last 3 or so years of heavy List A scoring, and an ODI century

When last King stepped back on wicket

Ambris should really be given a run

In reply to DIEHARD

Ambris got a raw deal here....looks like they don't have long term plans for him....looks like he is only in the squad as a supply player....in case someone gets injured...

In May last year he made a ton against Ireland

S W Ambris c sub b Rankin 148 ( 126
Scorecard

Ambris has to grab any opportunity he gets....similar to what Shamar Brooks did in the test opportunity he got

Brandon King tore up the season last year! He deserves his chance! Remember Ambris is afraid of short bowling or at least gets his helmet knocks TF off. King stays until he performs or fails so badly, Adrian Griffith looks a better prospect! After that, Bravo still leapfrog him.

In reply to Mr-Anguilla

CPL?
dem playing ODI now





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In reply to dayne

How can you average 60 after 8/9 games without making runs at the right time? Compare Hope, Pooran, Hetmyer after 9 games and Ambris already have more runs than they did. Don't get me wrong, not saying Ambris will ever be better than those guys cause it's a small amount of games to judge but how much more could he have done really?? They want the man to average 100 to be able to play??

In reply to Mr-Anguilla

I don't know which Cricket you been watching, but Ambris 50 overs record is twice as good as Brandon King!

In reply to DIEHARD

While Ambris has made some good scores, technically, I feel King is lot better. Ambris plays too much through the leg side and he would only be the emergency player at best.

In reply to jen

Ambris better than Hety- he making hundred?

In reply to DIEHARD & jen

Despite the early, sporadic success, it is apparent that the consensus of the decision makers is that Ambris, like Devon Smith, is not much of a batsman.

And while we are on the matter of "fairness" and logical reasoning, maybe we should just ask Nikita Miller's opinion on "fairness" in West Indies cricket.

In reply to Pacy

Yes, King is more compact but that's irrelevant. Hope, Bravo, Chase etc all more compact than Gayle but Gayle averaged 42 in test cricket.... Had he not been cut down in his prime, that might have soared pass 45.

What playing through the leg side have to do with anything? Bowl straight to any indian and is through the leg side you going. Because a guy gets a few lbw playing through the leg side, he must stop it? Kohli use to get LBW quite a bit in the earlier parts of his ODI career and he was already so good off his legs.

Brandon King averages 23 in List A cricket and doesn't have a 50.

A guy averages 40+ in same format, already have an international century and half century after 9 games. Exclude Ireland from his stats, after 7 innings he still averages 40 in international cricket.

In reply to Narper

Form, not format, is the new selection mantra.

In reply to Barry

How much times people have to tell yo the man have a hundred at the international level.

Disclaimer: I never said he's better than Hety or anyone else for that matter. Man just deserve his chance cause his numbers merit it. When the man get's a run and doesn't cut it, then we can conclude he not good enough.

In reply to jacksprat

Nikita Miller had 50 ODI games still - wasn't his strongest format regionally but at least he was playing.

In reply to jen

If these numbers are correct, I can't see how anyone can argue, with a clear conscience, that the treatment meted out to Ambris is not a travesty of the highest order.

Ambris definitely deserves a better run. That shouldn't be up for debate at all.

In reply to Sangfroid

His scores excluding Ireland are:

38* vs England
38 vs Bangladesh
23 vs Bangladesh
69* vs Bangladesh
31 vs India
5 vs Sri Lanka
9 vs India

The 31 against India, where people even criticized him, he top scored in that game (Gayle, Hope, Pooran, Hetmyer all played). Him not getting to play is more to do with people's preconceived notion and have very little to do with his production.

That 69* not out against Bangladesh could have easily been century #2 hadn't rain shorten the game.

Look at the allround game equipped to deal with international cricket. King's game fits more than Ambris.

In reply to jen

SAY IT AGAIN LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK

In reply to jen

I'm convinced, there is no intelligent or reasonable argument that can be made for his exclusion in preference to King...barring injury, of course.

In reply to Raggs

I'mma go out on a limb and call u out for defending the yaadman.

Ganga was also more equipped to deal with international cricket than Gayle..how did that pan out.

Batsmen should make runs, runs is all that matters, tehcnique is secondary if you making runs

In reply to natty_forever

When differences in statistical categories are negligible, sure!!

This is not one such case.

Ambris has been bossing List A for yeaaars!!

King has one purple patch in CPL...and has usurped him?

In reply to DIEHARD


Ambris is certainly talented, he scores heavily in warm-up games but let’s face the facts, he has not taken advantage of opportunities offered to him by establishing his place in the team with strong actual match performances, outside of warm up games. So his place on the team is vulnerable and others are competing with him for the position of which he should he really should have established himself.

In reply to Slipfeeler


U are another unapologetic yaadie defender, i believe u were promoting Blackwood over Hetmyer for ODIS



Your contributions to this argument CANNOT be taken seriously

The entire problem with this is

1. "His" place on the team..he already lost "his" place.

2 He already averages 60 in ODIS...how many times has he failed, to warrant him losing "his" place

3. The incumbent has NOT exactly set the place on fire in the opportunities he has been given either, but yet, he replaces Ambris..how come??

In reply to jen

I agree but if you remember how Ganga was preferred over Gayle at various stages of his career. Over time cream will come up by using the chances. Just like Gayle, Ambris might come up but I can understand the reason King comes above Ambris.

With regard to him falling over the leg side, I see him having a huge issue there. So even I have apprehensions about his career. If he proves me wrong I would not glad

I guess this is “progress”

Instead of constantly bawling about West Indies losses and abject performances in team matches, peeps recently need to find something to satisfy their “bawl-o-meter” craving, by focusing on perceived “injustices” against individual players.

Looking out for a “justice for Imran Khan” thread soon

King arrives on cue as timing is important in sports. Under a new regime. Ambris was under the other when he made his debut. The new rulers want new blood, their own scars to 'pick' and bleed. Hence King in front of Ambris. That could be considered another theory.

In reply to Sangfroid
Drop Ambris

In reply to imusic
Imran Khan deserves a rul before Walsh . . . look at his 4 day record

In reply to DIEHARD

You are just like Trumpy with your fake news or alternate facts. Please show me from the archives where I have ever promoted Blackwood over Hetty for ODI. I know you are trying very hard to add credibility to your fake news but I am certain that will not be able to ascertain your ridiculous claims.
Face the facts your boy had enough opportunities to establish himself on the team, do not deflect from the original argument.

Come on Yardies, U guys know it the passport,King passport is valued more than Ambris ,
II fact King has. Value of $10,000 Ja , While Ambris only $1000 Ja.
Come in Che.

In reply to Slipfeeler

y

Facts?Ambris got 9 opportunities...made two not outs, one 50, one century and an overall SR > 100...yet King > Ambris?

I thought with those stats Ambris did what was asked of him


I admit to being facetious with accusing u of pushing Blackwood over Hetmyer in ODIS,. but u definitely been pushing for his inclusion in Tests over the entire middle order, but tbh..thats not as laughable...and doesnt make u seem as ridiculous

There can only be 11 persons on a team. I hope that Ambris gets called up in the last match as he does deserve a chance and we need reserves to be in form as well. What is concerning is that we do not appear to have bowling reserves as we do batting with Ambris, Bravo and the two Powells in the wings.

In reply to tc1

passport like how Carlos was still playing when he was failing?

In reply to imusic

After you do a Andrew Richardson justice thread.

*cough* Andrew Richardson

*cough*

*cough*

too bad 'passport' didn't help he.

In reply to JahJah

Talk to Wavell and Gayle bout dat

BTW....Take vix fuh dat cough eh

In reply to JahJah

We speaking about passport,the yardy weighs more than a Dottie. poor dotties they paying for Sammy

In reply to Slipfeeler

The man average 60 currently in ODI cricket. How can you get those numbers if you didn't capitalise? Who else had those numbers after 9 games that currently in the squad?

Bumper

In reply to Discourse

Well..according to some Ambris did not capitalize.

I watch to see how the rest of this series goes selection wise

In reply to DIEHARD

Watching intently myself.

They gonna play Ambris in the next match.. if he performs or not they gonna drop him for the next ODI series..

Back to his water boy duties

In reply to anthonyp

I suspect he wont even get a chance this series.

But I really hope this curry favour shit stops

In reply to DIEHARD

No comments on Ambris performance today, just hoping that the young man will get his head in the game for he is very talented and to make use of the few opportunities made available to him.

Well he did got his chance. What now?

In reply to Kay

The bat and ball are all in Ambris hands, its all up to him and his career.

In reply to Kay



Was a very interesting read just now...


so now that we are here today ....


where are all the commentators on Ambris?

Ambris not ready for the big leagues


Yet

In reply to Slipfeeler

I started i thread for u, cos i knew u would do this.

Why didn't you report there.

Has Ambris ever played an entire ODI series for WI like King had the comfort of doing without scoring a 40?

It's obvious Ambris does not have the backing of the management.

He has performed the other times he has been given a shot and it counted for naught, so..

They both played today.

Dat is all

In reply to Chrissy

Did Sammy 2.0 play?

In reply to Chrissy

Are you serious?

One in his first game of the series with a target on his back lol

The other in his 3rd having had two chances prior to this to brush off rust and nerves

In reply to DIEHARD

Ambris needs to shit BIG when he gets these

Chances.

What about Campbell scoring 178 in an ODI and then never getting picked again?

In reply to davidcameron

Yes but what had he done in List A, prior to, and subsequent to that?

Now answer the same question about Ambris.

Its a simple principle, it shouldnt be so hard to understand

In reply to DIEHARD

T20 form chumps ODI form.

Ambris stepping back on his wicket is his only fault! That said, he deserves a run!

In reply to XDFIX

In my view Ambris was done dirt when he was not included in the World Cup party last year.His prior record merited
his place and they ended up without a specilist middle order right hander who could rotate strike.It was a glaring error.
I pointed that out then but there was no outcry as there is now. I wonder why .

Remember too that both Simmons and Samuuels were not on the selectors radar,right fully in the case of the latter.
Ambris deserved his run and still does.

He is not the first or only and won't be the last to meet ill treatment.This is Waste Indies cricket and it is
filled with players who have suffered from selectors' whims and fancies.The list is too long for
me to get into as most on this MB know them..but many do not agitate for those who are not their own countrymen.
And that is the pitiful part.

In reply to DIEHARD

I ignored that post for contrary to your opinion I am not an Ambris naysayer, check the archives and you will see that I have on many occasions supported the Vincy player, obviously not in all instances. I am not a Diehard insular fan like some posters on this board who will remain nameless.

In reply to Slipfeeler

U, not insular?

Name a time you have supported any player over a Jamaican

I'll wait

When you supported Ambris, was Blackwood injured?

In reply to Yadi

Assume you meant Ambris...

Take a look, was the Ireland Tri-series a big enough shit for you?


He scored 148, and a 69* in the finals.

Since then, two WC games as a replacement player .

And one game a series vs India, and now Ireland

Compare to King

And please bear in mind as well their respective List A stats, if you do not know what they are, I'll enlighten you

Ambris 43 matches at an average of 40.73, 1 century 10 half centuries, average been trending up btw

Brandon King 25 matches, HS 48, average of 22.54.

Methinks y'all are not being objective and have been carried away by King's rich CPL form...and what can be described as the relatively unattractive batting of Ambris, but..batsmen should make runs, that's their job, in the 50 over format, Ambris is one of the best in the region at doing so

In reply to DIEHARD

You blind(deaf) T20 form chumps ODI form. We building a Whitehall squad. Keep your emotions to yourself.

If you are gonna invest in long term plans to gain great results of the two you would put money on King over Ambris. He's proved he can totally dominate a tournament and bully bowlers.
A trick that the likes of Viv and Chris Gayle have.

Ambris failed again ...

In reply to DIEHARD

My brother again check the archives for that’s my only proof and you might be mildly surprised. My daughter is half Vincy, and from years ago I saw how the youths there applied themselves to their cricket, so I knew I was only time before we see some results.

In reply to hubert

In reply to Slipfeeler

Btw, can a Jamaican arguing for a Vincentian over a Jamaican be considered insular?

Asking for a friend

In reply to DIEHARD

I always believe only the best players should represent WI teams, regardless of nationality, origin, age or experience. So there might be instances when I would argue for a Vincy over a Yardie, if that’s the best player available, again insularity is part of the reason for WI cricket demise, especially under the previous administrations.

As long as the Windward Islands Cricket Board get their salaries , they do not give a Damn about their Players ; or standing up for their
Players who merit selection .

It aint yesterday that the Windward Islands have been doing this .The Windwards Cricket Board simply do not give a Damn .

I firmly believe that if Sunil Ambris was from Jamaica ; Barbados; Trinidad & Tobago ; Guyana ; or the Leeward Islands HE would be selected

Ambris do not be discouraged , You may have to do like Kenroy Peters and
go abroad to be recognized ; I am very serious ; check with Kenroy if
You can , and see if he can help .

HE was not helped by anyone in the
Region , yet he succeeded , You can also do the same .

In reply to hubert

Amen!

Insularity been around as long as West Indies cricket. Takes strong leadership on and off the field to get it done.

Interestingly , the Vice President of
the Worst International Cricket Board in the Commonwealth , aka the WICBC , I understand is from SVG .

In reply to natty_forever

i dont know about that. Most people didn't care about how many antiguans or jamaicans or whatever were on the team once they were winning. The only territory that made a noise between 80-95 was barbados in 92 with anderson cummings