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Brutal Sunday (Feb 9) : Seven murdered in T&T

 
Narper 2020-02-10 03:54:02 

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Po­lice be­lieve the at­tempt­ed as­sas­si­na­tion of a Rachael Sukhdeo, the wid­ow of slain Ch­agua­nas busi­ness­man Sheron Sukhdeo, led to the mur­ders of a US cit­i­zen and woman in Princes Town yes­ter­day.

The dou­ble mur­der yes­ter­day brought the num­ber of peo­ple killed be­tween Sat­ur­day night to Sun­day af­ter­noon to sev­en.

 
maj 2020-02-10 03:59:57 

Two questions:

Is God still a Trini?

Why is Rachel Sukhdeo still living in TNT?

 
Narper 2020-02-10 15:40:14 

THE FUNNY thing is (and I don’t mean ha-ha) that we like to paint ourselves as happy-go-lucky, fun-loving people. We have even convinced ourselves that Carnival brings out the joy in us. We dance and prance and wine and grind and chip and pretend that this is true happiness.

Meanwhile the newspaper headlines tell a different story. A seething anger surfaces every day in this country, and it doesn’t take a break for Carnival. Unspeakable violence has defined at least three of my recent Carnivals.

I have stopped pretending that these are happy times and just try to barricade myself in my house and hide from the vibe until Carnival passes. But the anger and the violence just keep rolling through the streets like one of those big trucks blaring inane musical commands at Carnival.

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Emir 2020-02-11 00:11:40 

In reply to Narper

Well it sure seems like criminals killing other or trying to kill each other or the police after them.


Most Trinis are unperturbed and unafraid of this so called murder spree. What you have is a very unique situation and these crimes are not random and the average person in the street don't see these crimes.

 
BeatDball 2020-02-11 00:26:41 

In reply to Emir Yep; we are numbed to it as we cannot comprehend order - we are detached, phlegmatic, apathetic, etc; ah suh we stay - dysfunction, disorder, disorganized, etc!

evil

 
sgtdjones 2020-02-11 00:31:27 

In reply to Narper

Governments are to provide a safe haven for its citizens, not behind barb wire and bars in their windows. When such occurs its a failed government.

This idiot Imam doesn't live in T&T ..he lives in the USA.

He gotta be senile.

twisted

 
doosra 2020-02-11 00:33:35 

In reply to Emir

Most Trinis are unperturbed and unafraid of this so called murder spree.


that might be so statistically but from my experience visiting since 2003...

all the ppl dem i lime wid just fraid fraid fraid...u cant rock outside in the hammock after 6 etc

and these are average folk....not with plenty stuff for kidnappers to take

sgt, is that a close to fair assessment?

 
sgtdjones 2020-02-11 00:35:26 

In reply to doosra

Yes , Arima a town shuts down after 6pm

 
doosra 2020-02-11 00:37:28 

In reply to sgtdjones

one afternoon i was so tired i lie down in the hammock outside and slept away...

night falls and the family dem come outside with one big panic...

that was a wake up call

 
Emir 2020-02-11 00:47:29 

In reply to doosra

If you go now, you will see people all over partying, kids playing cricket under flood-light in neighborhood parks, couples- young and old alike walking the savannah at night, beachgoers taking dip at night and the list goes on.

 
sgtdjones 2020-02-11 00:51:17 

In reply to doosra

After 6pm, you go inside.

This senile Imam living in some world that doesn't exist.

twisted

 
sgtdjones 2020-02-11 00:56:25 

In reply to doosra

THE FUNNY thing is (and I don’t mean ha-ha) that we like to paint ourselves as happy-go-lucky, fun-loving people. We have even convinced ourselves that Carnival brings out the joy in us. We dance and prance and wine and grind and chip and pretend that this is true happiness.

Meanwhile the newspaper headlines tell a different story. A seething anger surfaces every day in this country, and it doesn’t take a break for Carnival. Unspeakable violence has defined at least three of my recent Carnivals.

I have stopped pretending that these are happy times and just try to barricade myself in my house and hide from the vibe until Carnival passes. But the anger and the violence just keep rolling through the streets like one of those big trucks blaring inane musical commands at Carnival.


Our own worst enemy

 
doosra 2020-02-11 01:04:46 

In reply to Emir

If you go now, you will see people all over partying, kids playing cricket under flood-light in neighborhood parks, couples- young and old alike walking the savannah at night, beachgoers taking dip at night and the list goes on.


partay then...not me big grin

 
Narper 2020-02-11 03:17:32 

In reply to Emir

Most Trinis are unperturbed and unafraid of this so called murder spree

When last you spoke to someone in T&T?
and the average person in the street don't see these crimes.

The average person is dying

What has gone wrong with you....a few years ago you used to post exactly what I posted....after Bravos attacked you a few times....you became a chicken and stopped calling it as it is

I visited Trinidad 4 times last year....it is bad

 
Narper 2020-02-11 03:19:43 

In reply to sgtdjones

Debbie Jacob is a respected journalist

I read her regularly when I lived in T&T

She has been volunteering in the jails to teach literacy these days

 
Narper 2020-02-11 03:56:42 

Teachers beg Garcia for help say Barataria/San Juan school like a war zone


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It’s like work­ing in a pen­i­ten­tiary. Armed guards pa­trol the com­pound dai­ly and staff have been told to use gloves when sep­a­rat­ing war­ring com­bat­ants to pro­tect against HIV/AIDS and oth­er in­fec­tious dis­eases.

This is the re­al­i­ty for teach­ers at a trou­bled sec­ondary school in the Barataria/San Juan area who claim they are forced to op­er­ate in a war zone.

The teach­ers spoke on con­di­tion of anonymi­ty and asked that the school not be iden­ti­fied, not out of fear of pos­si­ble con­se­quences from the Min­istry of Ed­u­ca­tion but vi­o­lent re­ac­tions from their stu­dents.

One teacher said she was as­sault­ed by a male stu­dent on the com­pound af­ter she dis­ci­plined him for a mi­nor in­frac­tion. She was so trau­ma­tised by the ex­pe­ri­ence that she had to re­ceive coun­selling and was even­tu­al­ly trans­ferred out of the school.

In an0ther dis­turb­ing in­ci­dent, a Form Three stu­dent was raped in a se­clud­ed area at the back of the school.

 
doosra 2020-02-11 09:51:36 

In reply to Narper

So it's not only the adults...Well if the adults are that murderous we don't expect the kids to be different...

This school violence thing is in gt schools but very low rate of activity...

Trinidad is in a bad state but emir is blinded by politics and fear of bravos

Bravos don't post anymore? We used to have a year thread round kahnaval

 
Emir 2020-02-11 11:29:02 

In reply to doosra

You are smarter than dat marn, the crime situation in Trinidad is a planned commercial venture by certain elements who are very very powerful.

It takes a brave PM to not get flustered and what you see happening now is the destruction of that criminal enterprise system.

You and Narps can keep pasting "newspaper" articles which usually are poorly written with little or no context and most often grossly inaccurate.

 
doosra 2020-02-11 13:02:08 

In reply to Emir

dude

i am not talking about trivialities here

blood flowing on the streets of that island and that is a fact, whether poorly or well-written

come on man...the numbers don't like

 
StumpCam 2020-02-11 13:09:02 

In reply to doosra

I don’t think the Emir know the difference between “stats” and “polls ” razz

 
sgtdjones 2020-02-11 18:27:19 

In reply to StumpCam

razz razz razz razz

 
sgtdjones 2020-02-11 18:28:50 

In reply to doosra

You and Narps can keep pasting "newspaper" articles which usually are poorly written with little or no context and most often grossly inaccurate.


Almost 60 murders and over a dozen-plus missing and its classified as grossly inaccurate...

rolleyes

 
doosra 2020-02-11 18:28:56 

In reply to StumpCam

we gotta get nick and black in here then? big grin

 
sgtdjones 2020-02-11 18:30:54 

2 cops arrested for trafficking Venezuelan women

Two police officers have been arrested in connection with trafficking in persons and other gang-related activities.

It happened during an anti-crime exercise conducted in the Central Division overnight.

 
sgtdjones 2020-02-11 18:32:20 

Child killer was out on bail...for rape

Michael Maynard, the man who killed his eight-year-old daughter then died by suicide was also an accused rapist out on bail.

This was disclosed in a statement issued today by Police Commissioner Gary Griffith in response to reports that his officers had not acted on reports that the murdered child Makisha Thomas, and her brother were being abused.

Griffith reminded citizens that when they see something, they must say something, and not wait until someone is killed.

 
Narper 2020-02-11 18:53:44 

In reply to Emir

You and Narps can keep pasting "newspaper" articles which usually are poorly written with little or no context and most often grossly inaccurate.

I quote from three T&T internet newspapers...Express, Guardian and Newsday.

I personally talk to people living in T&T on a regular basis
You believe I enjoy posting about crime in T&T????

You prefer facebook???....go check facebook...you may then believe....my wifey stopped checking facebook because she can't handle it anymore....her mother and other relatives live there...they all lock up and stay indoors as soon as it gets dark....and that is around 6.00 pm.

 
Narper 2020-02-11 18:58:10 

In reply to doosra

Trinidad is in a bad state but emir is blinded by politics and fear of bravos

That is correct

BTW I never believed Emir is trini...he is probably muddie who lived in T&T for some time..

he is far more interested in indo-muddies and mudland politics

 
Narper 2020-02-11 19:06:14 


As the heavily armed hardcore criminals consolidate their murderous stranglehold on our country, striking with seeming impunity anytime, anywhere they choose to, the powers-that-be go into the panic mode and respond with fusillades of “gobar” rather than superior strategy and firepower.

Gunmen wielding weapons as deadly as the AR-15 launched yet another brazen attack in downtown Port of Spain mid-afternoon last Tuesday leaving two dead, scores who were nearby soiling their under-garments, and thousands more frightened to walk the city streets. What does Minister of National Security Stuart Young say? He speaks of some vague conspiracy between the criminals and “certain people” who want to promote fear and panic among the population. Why would anyone want to do that? Hey, a general election is due by year-end, so you guess who would want to create instability, to gain political power.

I say the minister is talking tripe. Because if there is an iota of truth in his hint of a conspiracy between key players in the opposition United National Congress and gunmen across the country—and let us be blunt about whom he is pointing fingers at—he would have better served the police investigations into such a grave crime by keeping his trap shut, allowing the conspirators to continue with their plot, and stinging them when they least expect it.

By Raffique Shah January 21, 2020


Shah does not support the UNC...in fact he favours the PNM.

 
Emir 2020-02-11 23:40:20 

In reply to Narper

Shah does not support the UNC...in fact he favours the PNM.


Yes, Shah has it correct, he is saying the same thing I am arguing, what you paste doesn't give the full opinion of Raff.

There is a criminal enterprise system and most of the murders are not innocent bystanders.


If you read what Shah wrote, he asked the question:

"So if it takes big operation to bring in illegal stuff, meaning you have to bribe many top people in different areas, tell me who is doing it, not the "little black boy."

And that is what Shah argues.

Tell me why the Express Newspaper keeps referring to the dead drug dealer as a business man.

What about lawyers?

It is too damn easy and convenient for people to post murder numbers and poorly written articles with no context, no investigation, no follow up, and no context.

I know better and won't be fool

On a daily basis, I talk to people in the ground and yes I know people who were robbed at gun point. Truth is this type of crime can happen anywhere.

Last December, I met with Panday and others and I can tell you, few are afraid and they know the real score.

Trinidad situation is different and stats can be misleading. We have a crime problem, but the context of this situation must be fully understood.

Right now people are partying and going about their merry way and they are more afraid of being stop by the police for drunk diving than they are about being killed by a criminal

 
Narper 2020-02-12 00:17:07 

Overkill in Rancho Quemado: 3 men riddled with bullets


Three men were shot and killed in a vehicle at Rancho Quemado Village on Trinidad’s south coast on Tuesday afternoon.

A fourth man was shot and taken to hospital suffering life threatening injuries.

The shooting happened in the yard of a house located near the Rancho Quemado Primary School.



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Narper 2020-02-12 00:22:24 

2 cops arrested for trafficking Venezuelan women

Two police officers have been arrested in connection with trafficking in persons and other gang-related activities.

It happened during an anti-crime exercise conducted in the Central Division overnight.

The officers, who are attached to the Central Division and live in the district, were held along with a Venezuelan national, after their homes and lockers at the station were searched.


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Emir 2020-02-12 00:27:40 

In reply to Narper

Just stop for a brief moment and think about the garbage articles you copy and paste.

Just think about please.

 
Narper 2020-02-12 00:40:47 

In reply to Emir

Question....you still fraid Bravos? big grin big grin big grin big grin

 
Narper 2020-02-12 00:53:19 

IF one ever believed the PNM Government could solve the present crime epidemic in the country, one had better think again.

Dr Keith Rowley has reduced our crime problem to a breakdown of family life among Afro-Trinbagonians, a micro-unit in our social fabric. He argues: ‘Some of the factors fuelling crime include the breakdown of the family unit, particularly in Afro-Trinidadian homes, the lure of easy money and family members turning a blind eye to criminal activities of other people in their homes’ (Express, January 22).

The Prime Minister declares that the level of violence taking place in our community is a spasmodic thing. He says that T&T is a violent society and that the ‘level of violence flares up every so often, and this is one of those periods.’ (Is he serious?) He continues: ‘What we are experiencing now is an inability to restrain that violence at every level, among our schoolchildren, at the homes between spouses, in the streets between persons who are actually strangers.’

By Dr Selwyn R. Cudjoe January 27, 2020

 
Narper 2020-02-12 01:00:19 

As we battle against the crime-plague that is devastating the country, and we in the media add our two-cents’ input to what should be considered a national discussion on the issue, I was jolted by an intervention from well-respected commentator Ira Mathur that turned up in my email inbox last weekend. Ira wrote that a “bomb” landed in her smart-phone in the form of a report on gang violence in Trinidad and Tobago by a researcher named Janina Pawelz of the Institute for Peace, Research and Security Policy at the University of Hamburg, Germany.

“Machine guns everywhere. I’m afraid to go to church,” whispered a receptionist.

“Gangsters are booking their own funerals with expensive coffins. They know they will die young and a fancy funeral is all they ask of life…They don’t fear killing or being killed,” said a businesswoman.

What shocked me most, though, were the columnist’s conclusions: “We are losing this battle against the 30,000-strong gang army. For every man you arrest, 100 youngsters are waiting to take his place.


Robbing Hoods

 
BeatDball 2020-02-12 01:01:47 

These people are just incompetent! That's all. sad evil

I keep telling alyuh that socihitists have no clue on law enforcement. The stuff that comes out of their mouths is just depressing. Rationalizing everything thereby emboldening criminals & those sitting on the fences! Just enforce the laws on the books! Fact!

 
Emir 2020-02-12 01:21:08 

In reply to Narper


But all dem article you copying and paste actually supports what I am arguing and none of the articles see the situation as you are seeing it.


IF one ever believed the PNM Government could solve the present crime epidemic in the country, one had better think again.


Exactly, the situation cannot be a government only project, again Cudjoe is seeing it for what it is

As we battle against the crime-plague that is devastating the country, and we in the media add our two-cents’ input to what should be considered a national discussion on the issue,


big grin big grin big grin big grin

Trinis blame the media.