Economic systems that ignore the people and our democracy will continue to be just empty arguments.
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Absent Democracy, arguing economic systems make no sense....
2020-03-20 16:18:52
2020-03-20 19:06:49
In reply to Ewart
Sure! China, Iran, Niger, Myanmar, etc, all make no sense.
It also makes no sense for Blacks to be allowed the chance of holding power in some southern US states, according to many Whites in those states. One guy right here even pushes the idea that it makes no sense for Indos to rule "near indigenous" Black people in Guyana.
2020-03-20 19:43:51
In reply to Ewart
Freedom and socialism are incompatible...eventually, one will have to give way to the other.
2020-03-20 19:45:56
In reply to Sangfroid
Maybe if we keep the discussion to the topic of democracy we will begin to see the light that has been missing.
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2020-03-20 19:49:24
In reply to Ewart
Maybe if you were to see that at the heart of economic systems is the notion of freedom or the absence of it...Not sure how you can separate the two. Maybe you can shed some light here...
2020-03-20 19:52:02
In reply to Sangfroid
You keep trying to move the goalposts. Do you know what democracy is?
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2020-03-20 19:56:53
In reply to Ewart
You keep trying to move the goalposts.
Watch him try yo move these goal posts too! Of course he does not, in his view.
Some ground rules: economic system = system to produce and distribute goods and services.
My OWN words. Feel free to modify.
For Heaven's sake, DO NOT post links. Read the f**king link yourself, understand, simplify and post. Discussions are about people sharing their own views, even if those are based on other views - not sharing links. We can all search the internet and find as many links as we want.
2020-03-20 20:00:52
You keep trying to move the goalposts. Do you know what democracy is?
Democracy: Noun, a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.
Economic systems that ignore the people and our democracy will continue to be just empty arguments.
Again: Freedom and socialism are incompatible...eventually, one will have to give way to the other. Translation: Democratic countries are more likely to adopt free markets, so one begets the other. In this regard, your proposition - economic systems that ignore the people and our democracy will continue to be just empty arguments - is not at odds with my position...
2020-03-20 20:01:26
In reply to Norm
Care to say something intelligent, for once?
2020-03-20 20:01:30
Some ground rules: economic system = system to produce and distribute goods and services.
My OWN words. Feel free to modify.
For Heaven's sake, DO NOT post links. Read the f**king link yourself, understand, simplify and post. Discussions are about people sharing their own views, even if those are based on other views - not sharing links. We can all search the internet and find as many links as we want.
I will respond to nothing dumb. I don't have time to waste.
2020-03-20 20:02:50
In reply to Norm
See above. Indeed, reading is a gift; understanding, a blessing.
2020-03-20 20:04:04
In reply to Sangfroid
Care to say something intelligent, for once?
Don't be a jackass, for once.
2020-03-20 20:05:37
In reply to Norm
Boring holes in one's cherished beliefs doesn't quite count as being a "jackass", at least where I'm from...
2020-03-20 20:05:41
In reply to Sangfroid
a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.
Fair enough. We are making progress.
(See? This is how progress is made. No ad hominem, goal-post moving, etc.)
2020-03-20 20:07:23
In reply to Norm
And the context just flew past you...no surprise here.
2020-03-20 20:07:29
I see your brain stalled.
2020-03-20 20:08:06
In reply to Norm
Ad hominem, do you know what that means?
2020-03-20 20:09:20
In reply to Norm
I see your brain stalled.
A stalled brain is understandable. These things do happen. Having no brain, on the other hand....well.
2020-03-20 20:10:14
Let me help you.
Are socialist countries governed "by the whole population of all eligible members of the state, through elected representatives"?
2020-03-20 20:12:28
In reply to Norm
First things first. What is a "socialist" country?
2020-03-20 20:12:51
I gone. Can't wait anymore. It is a waste of time trying to reason with the brain dead.
Ah, there you are!
"Socialist country" typically means one in which the economy is based on Marxist economic principles - public ownership of the means of production and distribution of wealth.
2020-03-20 20:13:36
In reply to Norm
Perfect. Get back to your echo chamber.
2020-03-20 20:17:29
In reply to Norm
I gone. Can't wait anymore. It is a waste of time trying to reason with the brain dead.
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2020-03-20 20:18:16
Second time (goalposts moved first time) - Are socialist countries governed "by the whole population of all eligible members of the state, through elected representatives"?
2020-03-20 20:18:24
For Heaven's sake, DO NOT post links. Read the f**king link yourself, understand, simplify and post. Discussions are about people sharing their own views, even if those are based on other views - not sharing links. We can all search the internet and find as many links as we want.
Links are shared not for their own sake, but to provide evidence for my conclusions. You're way too comfortable chanting out your ass without proof or support for what you say.
2020-03-20 20:19:40
In reply to Ewart
Ah tryin', with yet another internet genius! 
The man crippled without links!!! Hahahahahahahaha!
A good lesson in thinking for all the internet geniuses on this site.
2020-03-20 20:20:40
In reply to Norm
Second time (goalposts moved first time) - Are socialist countries governed "by the whole population of all eligible members of the state, through elected representatives"?
First things first. What is a "socialist" country?
2020-03-20 20:28:21
I don't have much time, so here's my thoughts on the matter of democracy and socialist countries. I stick to the facts because I am interested in the truth, and not in "winning" stupid arguments.
Socialist countries have failed at western-style democracy. Communist parties have invariably refused to hand power over to the working class, or other political parties.
The above does not tie democracy to economics, but connections (probably weak) could be made.
Have to go.
2020-03-20 20:30:23
In reply to Sangfroid
After all the arguments over the last few days you asking,"What is a "socialist" country"? Is there no working understanding on this?
2020-03-20 20:32:38
In reply to camos
After all the arguments over the last few days you asking,"What is a "socialist" country"?
Worse yet, I answered that question already a few posts before. Does his guy even bother to read the thread, or is he too busy showing us that he could post links and quotes?
2020-03-20 20:40:53
In reply to Norm
I don't have much time, so here's my thoughts on the matter of democracy and socialist countries. I stick to the facts because I am interested in the truth, and not in "winning" stupid arguments.
Not sure how "winning" an argument is incompatible with pursuing the truth...Do you think before you type?
Have to go.
Have to go, or have to run?
Socialist countries have failed at western-style democracy. Communist parties have invariably refused to hand power over to the working class, or other political parties.
The above does not tie democracy to economics, but connections (probably weak) could be made.
The above does not tie democracy to economics, but connections (probably weak) could be made.
Socialist/communist countries have "failed" in the area of democracy because they are inherently collectivist and undemocratic. Decision-making is concentrated in the hands of a few. But more than this, these countries have featured murderous regimes, and account for the deaths of more than 100 million people. Socialists have a lot of blood on their hands.
2020-03-20 20:43:52
In reply to camos
After all the arguments over the last few days you asking,"What is a "socialist" country"? Is there no working understanding on this?
If you were paying attention, not everyone seems to agree. So, it is reasonable for me to ask before an engagement what is one's understanding of the term. No?
2020-03-20 20:45:17
In reply to Norm
Worse yet, I answered that question already a few posts before. Does his guy even bother to read the thread, or is he too busy showing us that he could post links and quotes?
Good. Then you should have no issue reminding me.
2020-03-20 22:30:19
In reply to Sangfroid
You moved the goalposts again - resorting to ad hominem attacks. Anything to avoid a proper discussion. I hope folks here see what a fraud you are.
Anyway, anytime you wish to get back to proper discussion, put your cards on the table, like I did, if you dare. I will engage any attempt to generate something useful here.
2020-03-20 22:37:14
Both of you, go to your respective corner until further notice,
New to find out who move the goal post
2020-03-20 22:39:22
In reply to Norm
ad hominem attacks
Evidence,please.
2020-03-21 00:08:48
In reply to Sangfroid
Socialists have a lot of blood on their hands.
And capitalism doesn't? tell me yuh joking!
2020-03-21 00:11:05
In reply to XDFIX
Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin....collectively killed more than 100 million people. Name me a capitalist equivalent...
2020-03-21 00:28:45
In reply to Sangfroid
Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin....collectively killed more than 100 million people. Name me a capitalist equivalent...
Wall Street bankers and HSBC, Lloyd's of London.
2020-03-21 00:30:56
In reply to Sangfroid
Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin....collectively killed more than 100 million people. Name me a capitalist equivalent...
Hitler! how many got killed in Iraq? we don't know but we count 100 million elsewhere.
2020-03-21 00:37:37
In reply to Priapus
Wall Street bankers and HSBC, Lloyd's of London.
Waiting for the stats and circumstances...
2020-03-21 00:38:40
In reply to camos
Hitler! how many got killed in Iraq? we don't know but we count 100 million elsewhere.
Didn't realise Hitler was capitalist, or Saddam....
2020-03-21 00:42:03
In reply to Sangfroid
I am not talking about Saddam,they know how many Saddam killed but not the death toll from allies activities.
2020-03-21 00:43:33
In reply to Sangfroid
So if socialism killed 100 million and capitalism killed, say, 4 million. Capitalism wins, right?
2020-03-21 00:47:48
In reply to camos
So you counting war deaths as "capitalist"? How many do you attribute to Disney or At@T? 
2020-03-21 00:48:44
In reply to Priapus
So if socialism killed 100 million and capitalism killed, say, 4 million. Capitalism wins, right?
It means one has a tendency to produce more bad results than the other.
2020-03-21 00:49:21
This place got nuff kicks
2020-03-21 00:52:24
In reply to Sangfroid
So you counting war deaths as "capitalist"
No! I am showing you as selectively parroting western propaganda. People who were on the ground can't tell how many die in Iraq but they know the death toll in places that they were not allowed?
2020-03-21 00:56:11
In reply to camos
No! I am showing you as selectively parroting western propaganda. People who were on the ground can't tell how many die in Iraq but they know the death toll in places that they were not allowed?
I'm not sure what you're getting at,star.
2020-03-21 01:09:37
In reply to Sangfroid
Ahhhhhh....I get it now.....the lesser of two evils. Hmmmm. I don't know how anyone "wins" when faced with such a choice.
2020-03-21 01:17:34
In reply to Priapus
"wins"
Your argument, not mine.
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