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are they any out and out tear away fast bowlers outside of gabriel and oshane thomas maybe harding ,

Hola...quick and fast dont work....accuracy and rhythm..brings out the best of a fast medium bowler...get that right and then speed will come automatically..
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In reply to velo

Oshane has put on weight and lost pace.. the only very quick bowler in the Caribbean in my opinion is Gabriel... the youngster from Trini who impressed in the U19 WC could (I stress could) become very quick in 2 or 3 years.

In reply to robbo

Where do u get this stuff? Prior to COVID 19 Oshane played the T20s against SL in which he bowled from 87-92 miles per hour with an 80mph slower ball. He took 5 wickets in the first T20 and the slowest wicket taking delivery was 87mph. The second T20, he bowled the opener at 92mph.

He was down on pace LAST YEAR. Do keep up.

In reply to michaelmax

Well you may have the advantage on me...I don’t watch T20 ... all I can say is that last time I saw him he looked overweight & slower than previously...if he can bowl at 92 in the first 2 overs of a T20 then good but in terms of a future test pacer he leaves a lot to be desired.

In reply to robbo

He was put on a fitness regime by Simmons and while he is still big but has lost some weight. And his weight was always that. He did well for JA in the 2019 ODIs. He had a car accident earlier this year and then went to SL. Jamaica needs to play him regularly in FC cricket but Ja's selection policy has been a mess for years going by some of the recent captaincy and other decisions.


There's a reason he was in the reserves-as cover for Shannon Gabriel.He has noted in the press the need to improve on his fitness which he says will make him bowl faster for longer. When he heard about Andy Roberts positive take on him, said it makes him want to work even harder. Stated he wants to play test cricket and not to just be a good bowler. Let's see if he gets the opportunity to walk the walk.

In reply to michaelmax

Good to hear that he has lost weight... I thought the extra weight affected his run up... he appeared to be struggling to ‘attack’ the crease & have no rhythm..in turn a general drop in pace.... do not get me wrong ... I like Thomas & think he has the tools to become a very hostile, consistent 150 k bowler...put it this way.... I really hope that he does.

If I said that Keemo Paul has bowled deliveries in the 140's kph, how many people would say I am talking nonsense?

In reply to Dukes

I have seen this myself also. I've seen him get up to 141kph.

I actually think he would have been really effective in England with his full length and control of seam and swing, was a big shame he didn't tour.

In reply to Dukes

No.... he has ... in fact I remember watching him bowl against England A in a ‘test match’ a couple or so years ago and he bowled with real hostility and not a little pace. Of course his main asset is that he can swing the ball both ways although I’m not sure if he can consistently do that at the moment. he is another one that has looked good but so far not really pushed on for a variety of reasons not all of course his own fault.

i've seem him bowl rather quickly at regional level on occasions although there was no speed gun i can certainly tell it was quick i don't know why he bowls medium pace in test cricket

what about this guy from trinidad anderson phillip?

In reply to velo

Well I can only call it as I see it.... Phillip looks to me decent but certainly mid 80’s at best ... bearing in mind you are talking about ‘quick’ fast bowlers.... my definition of being someone that can bowl regular (not just once in a blue moon) spells of 88-93mph.

In reply to velo

I rate him quite highly. He gets the ball to swing into the right handers and sometimes hold it's line. All at around 85 - 90 mph. I was pleasantly surprised by his development last year.

In reply to robbo


Not true, how much have you seen of him? He has been timed at 91mph in CPL.

In reply to velo

The young Trini pacer Seales who played one the U19 WC recently looks promising....regularly getting it up to 87/88 and very occasionally touching 90mph .... tall & generates bounce and seams it..... one to watch.

[b]In reply to Beamer

Who ?..... Phillip ?...... if that’s true then I am pleasantly surprised.

In reply to robbo

Yeah. He is an 85-91mph type bowler. Not out and out quick like a Gabriel or a Thomas (when he's fresh), but I'd say a he's similar to Alzarri, possibly a bit quicker.

In reply to Beamer

As I say i rarely watch T20....I know he can move it and looks decent.

Harding can bowl quickly (over 145) but to be honest he hasn’t corrected his problem of falling away in delivery and so spearing it down leg side.

Chemar Holder looks interesting to me .... I would liked to have seen a speed gun on him during one or two of those spells against India A last year. Very impressive... bounce, seam movement and pretty fast as well.

I have noticed though that a number of the younger quickish/quick bowlers seem to ‘amble’ to the wicket.. certainly during the Regional 50 over tournament I noticed this a lot. I know in limited over cricket bowlers vary their pace and certainly don’t steam in all the time but some of them looked innocuous and I know that Ian Bishop when commentating mentioned this very thing. He was a bit perplexed about it all and a number of the bowlers were bowling a lot slower than they are capable of.

In reply to robbo

Chemar I reckon is high 80's but with so much skill, aggression and persistence to go with it.

Harding is a wildcard, on a couple of occasions I have seen him bowl ridiculously quickly (no speed gun but I remember Devon Smith describing it as the quickest bowling he has faced in regional cricket). But then when he has been on TV he has only really been around the 140kph mark and as you say, spears it down legside.

Still, they must have learned a lot being on this tour, hopefully we will see the results of that in the next year or so.

In reply to Beamer

Agree re Chemar & Harding (who I did see clock 147kph on a televised game).... hopefully Broad will have passed on some good tips to him during that meeting on the field the other day.

At the moment Chemar looks the most likely to me but I refuse to make predictions.... so many fences & hurdles await but going back to those 2 or 3 spells ( other spells were poor & innocuous) I was really impressed.... a very strong Indian A side & a flat wicket... he continuously beat the bat and could have easily doubled his wickets without being flattered.

In reply to velo

You bowl to what the wicket is offering.

I have watched tapes in test matches where Malcolm Marshall bowls medium pace and Spin because the wicket wasn't conducive to all-out fast bowling.

I was told, "Keemo Paul, Joseph and Chemar Holder has the goods to be a part of the WI test team for years to come."

My retort, they are the class of 2016, and I concur.

In reply to Dukes


Why would anyone think that? Though he is seen as a Jadon Holder type bowler he is not medium pacer.

In the last super50 Harding was bowling around 135-140kph.

Thomas could give you a quick 3-4 overs spell.. but will his pace be the same when he returns for a 3rd of 4th spell in a long day of test cricket?

Alzarri average speed in the England series was around 85-90mph.. that's not fast enough?

Seales from T&T clocked around 90mph in the U19 WC.

Chemar clocked around 80-85mph when he played in the U19 WC.. probably gain some pace since then.

Pace alone can't work in international cricket.. just look at Tino

In reply to anthonyp

In T20 cricket only.

that kid from Trinidad look the best bet as an out and out fast bowler but you dont have to be 90 mph to take wickets i think 85mph is fine but roach and holder was struggling to get up to 80mph

In reply to anthonyp

I don’t think anyone thinks pace alone works... not even in first class cricket let alone test cricket. It is possible though to be both very accurate, swing the ball, seam the ball, create bounce and generally be very accurate in line and length and be very quick. It happened in the past and surely it can and will happen again. Some of those West Indies bowlers of yesteryear were both very fast and Supremely skilful so it is fair to hope and expect that this may happen again. The cricket world is full of pacy fast medium bowlers that are good and successful but what I will say is give me a 95 mile an hour bowler that swings it, seams it etc and I will take that every single time over a quickish medium pacer or fast medium bowler.

The original question Re-this thread was relating to ‘quick’ fast bowlers which I took to mean very fast bowlers and are there any around and on the horizon.

In reply to robbo

Here's Anderson Phillip in action this year against Barbados. Decent pace, excellent movement. Got Braithwaite, Brooks and Dowrich out lbw or bowled.

Separately, look at how they're stuck on the crease there, just like in England. Just so bad.

In reply to Beamer

Thanks.... interesting clip.... very straight nipping the ball back into the pads....a lot of movement...you do have to wonder ....on those English wickets just played on he could have been useful if he could have reproduced that movement.

Don’t get me started on those batting techniques

In reply to robbo

I hadn't really rated him or paid any attention to Anderson Phillip before this season but he is actually very impressive. His figures in the intra squad game were also very good and economical, especially when compared to Keon Harding, for example.

Those dismissals could have been a replay of Stuart Broad bowling the nip backer. Stuck on the crease, no clue. 3 supposedly test match batsmen. Shocking.

In reply to robbo

Here's his 10 wickets versus the Windwards. Devon Smith and Sunil Ambris lbw and bowled.

In reply to Beamer

Again.... a lot of wickets lbw or bowled... testament to straight bowling & the off cutter....now if he can bowl the outswingers then he could be interesting.