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the press/media claiming he not bending he back to generate serious pace and his response to that is the pitch is not that sort of wicket to put in that level of effort.
Now a 17 yrs old Pakistan bowler is getting those rapid 90 m/h deliveries and sky cricket coms are asking why so...

17 my [beep].

In reply to natty_forever

nah mon..dem get test now..

In reply to Raggs

17 in what currency?

In reply to Raggs

Archer and Broad took three wickets each. And yet Archer is the one being targeted.

That's England for you.

That's why Moeen took a break from the England Test team. Tired of taking the blame for England losing.

How's Bess the all rounder doing BTW?

In reply to mikesiva

Jofra is the x factor. Just like when we had the four prong and Michael Holding was the one whose job was to shake them up with ultra pace. He was meant to be quicker than the other three. So is expected of Mr Archer.

Jofra Archer now an innocent bystander in this test battle. Every bowling except he..

In reply to Raggs

Can’t allow Jofra to take the credit for bowling Pak out!

Even injured Stokes has joined the party!

In reply to NineMiles

looks like mr root is sending him a message. after all he said that it was a pitch not worth bending his back for. the half fit mr stokes is doing such

In reply to Raggs

I saw earlier he was trying to get into the huddle of bowlers and was clearly excluded

It’s hard for him because if he was bowling like this for WI he’d be opening the bowling.
Here it’s third and fourth fiddle

In reply to Halliwell

if he don't rev it up soon consistently then I can't see him having a long career in England colours.

In reply to Raggs

for one the guy from Pakistan is really 27!

In reply to Halliwell

The criticism of Archer is being ramped up now.

England wants an all white Test cricket team.

In reply to mikesiva

Seems to be that they don’t actively oppose the idea

Look how du Plessis has to come out and say ‘he now realise‘ etc etc

But who you think is pushing this? Strauss from the top? Or the Jimmy/Root/Broad/GBH Stokes axis?

In reply to Halliwell

It's hard to say.

All of the above?

I've learnt from bitter experience to not trust most white English men until they prove themselves worthy of my trust.

Moeen and Archer are learning similar lessons.

With the conservatives, you know where you stand. But the liberals will pretend to be your friend, and then stab you in the back.

In reply to mikesiva

The Dorbell feller from CRICINFO seems to be the protagonist. He called him a fast medium while being interviewed by our own Alexis.

In reply to Emir

Why with us its always someone else's fault? Archer was the one who invited criticism by saying the pitch was not one to bend ur back on and spent most of the 1st innings bowling at mid eighties and below - fast medium stuff.

Archer was picked for his express pace and he didn seem inclined to do that. In his interview he shud probably said dat his rhythm was off.

Syokes den compounded matters by coming in and bending his back

In reply to Maispwi

Was that the first time Archer has been accused of that, and on the same pitch Stokes does Stokes. Pick them a pick pon the yute.

Hey N bend your back, do as you are told. You do not have the intelligence to think for yourself!

In reply to natty_forever
Awrite leh we say 20,the fact is another Asian bowler has popped up and looks a great prospect.We invented pace in the Caribbean and cannot find something close,something wrong.

In reply to granite

We not bending our backs. Fellas more want to look pretty than put in the hard work and build a mentality.

In reply to Emir

Lol. Bowl fast boy faster!! As archer gets whipped by his master 🤣🤣
I don’t feel sorry for he. He didn’t see how dem treat CJ and KP? Fool fool now that

In reply to jballer84

I will never criticize the man for playing for England; because that's the only offer he had!

In reply to camos

Not true. Johnny Grace flew to England and begged him to play for the west Indies. Jofra is very fickle. How can I b upset you were not selected for an under 19 World Cup so u take ur talents to England. England never selected him either until he became a t20 phenom and they jumped on the wagon. Jofra may not have been that good as a youth cricketer and improved dramatically. Some guys develop later and that’s ok. It’s also ok for selectors to not pick him if he wasn’t better than the others in 2014.

In reply to jballer84

but by then his mind was made up!

Its hilarious hearing West Indians living abroad castigating Archer for playing for England like is only dem shud seek dere fortunes outside de region

the 2nd test selected 11 will be interesting. Woakes can't be dropped and Anderson name is the Daddy and Mr Board right now is just that...board.
and rotation is the name of the eng game.

so you saying jofra the next devon malcolm ?

In reply to velo

Looking so. He say he won't bend back on certain pitches but that's why he in the team.
He want play the Anderson / Broad roles. That already taken up.
Bend back or get sack...simples.

In reply to Maispwi

In reply to Maispwi

All that plus the fact that he is a Barbadian......fuckers like the author of the post.

I think when he wants a rest the next test he bowls like this. That youngster don't make much bother him.

Crying that he Bajan? Bajans good nuh rass.

Now just imagine if di man was one of those dutty Myries...and mean Yardies.

[b]In reply to jballer84[/Not true. Johnny Grace flew to England and begged him to play for the west Indies. Jofra is very fickle. How can I b upset you were not selected for an under 19 World Cup so u take ur talents to England. England never selected him either until he became a t20 phenom and they jumped on the wagon. Jofra may not have been that good as a youth cricketer and improved dramatically. Some guys develop later and that’s ok. It’s also ok for selectors to not pick him if he wasn’t better than the others in 2014.




That post is full of errors and half truths..

First he had no job and little prospects when 20. His father is English, lives in Liverpool and Jofra has a British passport. Chris Jordan persuaded him that he had a much better chance of becoming a professional cricketer in England , where at least there is professional cricket. He took a chance and went...nothing to lose.He played club cricket, slept on floors and got a trial and picked up by Sussex....he even lived with the bowling coach Jon Lewis.

Jofra worked really hard , is humble and well liked ...He is not fickle at all. He has made a career from nothing and is a young man to be admired.

Ps Johnny Who? You really think he flew to England and met Archer...nope...Archer visits Barbados often enough.

https://newsday.co.tt/2018/12/02/cwi-ceo-hits-ecb-poaching-for-six/

Johnny Grave was just singing for his supper. There are only a limited number of places available on de West Indies team and if a player can seize an opportunity elsewhere all the better for him or her.

We doh tell de doctors, lawyers, engineers etc dat dey shud wait in line for an opportunity at home, why feel dat de cricketers shud do so?

Exactly ...but he is also talking total nonsense.

Shai hope went to Bedes school in Sussex which is a prime recruitment ground for Sussex...he wasn’t recruited because he is not eligible.

Jofra Archer has a distinctly different position...his father is English and he has a British passport and is able to play in England. Chris Jordan also had a British passport.

The idea that England are trying to recruit west Indians is laughable and ignores that you must be British to play for England...


Long time ago most West Indians played and learned their trade playing county cricket...Gordon green I’d get played for hampshire before West Indies. That has changed and is a major cause of the decline in West Indies cricket.

In reply to doublecentury

Then why did he (Archer) have to qualify to play for England?

In reply to Larr Pullo

Cause dere is a residency requirement if not born in England or Wales

Archer not helping himslef - first the quarantine break and second he has ghost written newspaper article in which he said its not a wicket to bend your back. I think he is unfortunate in that he is a rhythm bowler that makes it look very easy, so people expect him to turn it on at will.. but it presumably is not nearly as easy and effort free as he makes it look. Contrast with Wood, he is bowling much faster now than 2 years ago but has always looked like he was straining every last muscle to bowl. To some extent their styles are just optics.

But the idea that this is a racist conspiracy is just daft. It may fit a narrative some people like but it is not grounded in reality.. the Englsnd cricket team, and media, of 2020 is nothing like the fairly recent past.

...One final thought. KP was the last high profile English player to turn his back on his proper country due to a perceived selection slight. KP was brilliant but extremely high maintenance. Maybe jofra has some of those qualities too.

Jofra dropped for the 2nd Test....Sam Curran comes in.

In reply to NineMiles

OK.. Things are unfolding. He was told to provide pace to the attack but he thinks he can play Anderson and Broad's roles better than them...oh well.
Time to sit out and reflect

So Raggs opened his big mouth and there goes Archer.

No wonder I have no sympathy for him when cherri cuss him rass.

In reply to Drapsey

Now if only he would be kind enough to give me the winning numbers for the next lotto draw.

In reply to Drapsey

I hope Raggs madmouths Boris sometime soon

In reply to Drapsey

and ya think what cherri says about me matters? come on now..I have to remind myself to get upset after reading her replies. Cherri bajan spite
of volley abuse is no contest to a jamrock woman giving you a dressing down..
Ah Jamaica mi grow...

ah see Jofra taking out the drinks keeping the boys nice n cool..I'm sorry but when a black man provides that service in a English camp it just looks more fucked up..

In reply to Raggs

Just reminding you of your thread's title.

England telling Jofra it have better swing bowlers than he trying to be...

People telling yuh bend yuh back and you talking about pitch slow...look carry drinks yeh...

In reply to Larr Pullo

pronto...englsh sly way of dealing with the stubborn ones who they have given a chance to 'better themselves' ..camera have the big superstar with towel and drinks providing those who are busy at work...de man now looking like a hotel worker being a good chap and appleasing those who really matters, looking for tips

In reply to Raggs

cherri coming fi yuh!

... ok, that might not be a bad thing.

In reply to Drapsey

skipper ..a jamaican no matter who he his from, home or abroad would never side with Archer playing for England under his circumstances. that is the difference.
You can hear Michael Holding throwing words on him in a very cute way.

In reply to Raggs

Did he even think beyond the money they were throwing at him? Did he try talking to some of the older black English players? Every situation he has found himself in confirms that he's a very naive youth who doesn't spend any time reflecting.

In reply to Larr Pullo

Maybe he’s simply naive as you say. Malcolm Marshall said some tracks you cut your pace and concentrate on accuracy and movement.

They say he great. Wise words.

Jofra say is a pitch where bending yuh back doh make sense.

They say he feel he a superstar and he stubborn.

Both a dem essentially saying the same thing. Just different delivery.

In reply to imusic

Marshall as a WI bowler in the WI team has the space to say that. JA as a WI in the English setup doesn't. He has to be 100% aware of where he stands at all times.

You are selected for a certain role. You should be SEEN trying to play that role.
Not doing what you were not picked to do. You thing the captain Root throw him the ball and said "Jofra mi old son,do what YOU think what you like"
You don't see he threw the ball at a critical moment in that test match in the 2nd innings to a half fit Stoke instead and HE BENT HIS BACK AND MADE THE IMPACT.
You lot blind or what?

again wont fault the guy for taking the only offer he had, but be environmentally aware and don't make any long term plans.

Devon Malcom and Syd Lawerence and such used to bowl fast and spray it all over the place nuff times, he is more talented than both those guys, but they did what the cappo expected of them. And on their day made the difference. It better if Jofra bowl rapid and shake up some and bowl some all over the shop then Root and the media would have nothing to say and he would be playing today.

In reply to Raggs

You know for a fact Root never tell him to cut pace and concentrate instead on line and length?

In reply to imusic

come on mi mon..mek we be sensible here. Why would Root ask him to bowl line n length with Broad/Anderson and Woakes in that bowling attack?
why would he leave Jofra standing there like a lost poppy in the 2nd innings all day but then turn to a half fit Stokes to pelt it quick ?
let's not make nonsense out of common sense