HEADLINE: Michael Holding criticises England and Australia for not taking a knee

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link CaribbeanCricket.com Joined: Mar 5, 2003
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9/11/20, 8:49:10 AM 

Former West Indies fast bowler Michael Holding has criticised England and Australia for not taking a knee in support of the “Black Lives Matter” movement during their ongoing limited-overs series. England wore “Black Lives Matter” logos on their shirts during their Test series against West Indies and took the knee to protest against racism, but opted not to continue the practice in subsequent series against Pakistan and Australia.

“Now that the West Indies team has gone home, that doesn’t mean that you still shouldn’t be respecting the message and what it stands for,” Holding told Sky Sports.

“Yes, (racism) is more acute in the United States than in most other places but people around the entire world took on the mantle of spreading the word and getting this message out that it is time for equality and time for equal justice.

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link Ridge Joined: Jan 29, 2004
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9/11/20, 1:24:13 PM 
Why should they when BLM has turned out to be the opposite of
peaceful.

link rhatid Joined: Jun 19, 2013
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9/11/20, 1:33:02 PM 
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I have news for you, Holding. These people don't really care about the issue of racism. Occasionally you will see them join in a gesture, but this is not from their hearts, they only do it because it makes them look like decent human beings. If they weren't in the game of cricket, I have no doubt, a lot of them would be doing the same things you see racists out there doing to black people. Just look and listen to some of the backward, primitive "fans" you see and hear at some of the stadiums in their home countries. And, there is no doubt these goons represent the views of a lot of these players. The sooner we stop expecting better from these people, the better. We need to stop even thinking about them. They really are not worth it.

link rhatid Joined: Jun 19, 2013
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9/11/20, 1:46:17 PM 
In reply to Ridge
I guess your idea of an ideal citizen is a black person who is being submissive and allows himself/herself to be led like a lamb to the slaughter and be brutalized and murdered by racists, and just enjoys it. Keep on waiting for that "peaceful" citizen!

link InHindsight Joined: Feb 23, 2007
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9/11/20, 1:50:42 PM 
In reply to Ridge

Ok so you see things as I do.

I categorically do not support the BLM orgsmization and whzt it stands for.

I am black and proud to be.

All lives matter including the opportunist who seek to push their agenda on the civil liberties and plight of lowly black folk.

Mikey it may be that they are really aware that the movement as it os, is all a farce

link Dukes Joined: Dec 5, 2002
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9/11/20, 2:19:08 PM 
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Your post is most unfortunate.
You look on all those black people who ended up dead at the hands of the police and you think it can not happen to you but let me tell you what happened to me, almost 2 years ago.
At the time I was living in New Jersey in an upscale condominium.Apparently there was a young woman in her 20's who lived about 2 doors down from me who lived alone.She called the Suicide hot line telling them she wanted to commit suicide because her boyfriend left her.Apparently she hung up the phone but they traced the call to my complex but were not sure of the address. The police broke down my door and barged in to my condo.It was about 3AM and I was in a deep sleep and opened my eyes to hear noises downstairs.as I went to the stairs to see just what the hell was going on,2 white policemen appeared and started running up the stairs asking me where is she.I had absolutely no idea WTF they were talking about.They then asked me if there was a young female in my apartment and I told them absolutely not.They apologized and left.
Later that morning I found out that they did locate the girl and she had indeed taken some pills but she was rushed to the hospital and survived.
When Breonna Taylor was murdred by the police,I immediately thought to myself that it could have been me because If I had a gun and I had squeezed off some rounds at the home invaders I could have been killed by the police and YOU would still be spouting the same nonsense about BLM is a farce.

BTW the young girl was white and most of the people in that complex were also white.

link cherri Joined: Feb 15, 2004
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9/11/20, 2:20:24 PM 
Black lives matter to whom/who? Black people has to start treating each other better in every little aspect of life if they want others to treat them right......I remember years ago he ridiculed a fellow cricketer on the air for the world to hear.....he can't bat, he can't bowl he can't field......someone who represented the region, it may have been minor to some, but it was not right, if another had said that some may have been angry....some may say he did not kill anyone, maybe so......but this black lives matter movement is seeing one aspect of the treatment meted out to black people at the hands of whites, but we cause just as much damage ourselves, the treatment of blacks by blacks need to be addressed before we parade and talk about black lives matter.......black lives matter to who/whom?......its time to stop milking this cow....just sain.

link Ridge Joined: Jan 29, 2004
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9/11/20, 2:45:54 PM 
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I guess your idea of a ideal citizen is a black person who is being submissive and allows himself/herself to be led like a lamb to the slaughter and be brutalized and murdered by racists, and just enjoys it. Keep on waiting for that "peaceful" citizen!

You seem to be living in a different world. Can you tell me how many Black men has been murdered
by policemen this year. And when you find out find that out do some research on how many other black men have been murdered by their piers.
BLM started out with good intentions but unfortunately they have lost their mission.

link rhatid Joined: Jun 19, 2013
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9/11/20, 5:45:34 PM 
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The BLM demonstrations have been infiltrated by right-wing, white supremacist devils, whose intentions are to create violence and mayhem. Their sole aim is to convey the impression that the BLM demonstrators are violent. Needless to say, they have succeeded in getting their message across. Just listen to your berating and lambasting of the movement. Yes, you represent the people they aim to reach. They have done their devilish job.....So, Trump to the rescue!

link natty_forever Joined: Apr 27, 2003
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9/11/20, 6:02:10 PM 
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We have been programmed to do so. Reprogramming now required. One way, teach history before 1492.

link Maispwi Joined: Feb 3, 2003
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9/11/20, 6:09:43 PM 
Why are we trying to force people to do wat dey eh want to do? Isn't dat one of de reasons our fore fathers were slaves? We shud not insist on people taking a knee if dey doh believe in why dey doing it.

We are too easily appeased by symbolic gestures dat have no substance.

Forcing people to do tings against dere will has never turned out well.

Time for dis take a knee to stop and time for meaningful policy change

link Da-Vincy Joined: Sep 17, 2009
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9/11/20, 6:27:22 PM 
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In the context of BLM, what's the relevance of this example? That something "almost happened" to you because you were black? What explains why that possible something never ended up happening....the fact that it was you, and not some other black? And that if it was a white person and they had squeezed of some rounds at the intruders, that the cops won't have responded in kind?

link Norm Joined: Nov 27, 2002
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9/11/20, 6:54:04 PM 
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It would have been nice for every country to display overt support for BLM or other causes, but such display is voluntary. On the other hand, a display of support for any particular cause means nothing if it is not supported by appropriate action.

link Dukes Joined: Dec 5, 2002
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9/11/20, 7:02:54 PM 
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If you feel that the police have been treating black people in the United States the same way that they treat white people in the United States just say so and stop all the obfuscation.

link Norm Joined: Nov 27, 2002
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9/11/20, 7:19:32 PM 
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If you feel that the police have been treating black people in the United States the same way that they treat white people in the United States just say so and stop all the obfuscation.

I haven't seen you this direct in a long time! smile

Good way to put it. It goes beyond just "Black people", but an effort to address covert police oppression has to start somewhere.

In the case of American-born Blacks, neither they nor their ancestors chose to go to America. Therefore, that oppression is even worse for them. They cannot simply "go home" as recent immigrants could, in theory. They are already at "home".

This is an opportunity for those holding power to at least show goodwill, by examining the facts to determine the extent of the problem. Instead, we have gotten denial and partisan politicking.

link Da-Vincy Joined: Sep 17, 2009
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9/11/20, 8:05:16 PM 
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If you feel that the police have been treating black people in the United States the same way that they treat white people in the United States just say so and stop all the obfuscation.


That's irrelevant. My questions related to an irrelevant example that says nothing about the issue at hand,

link Dukes Joined: Dec 5, 2002
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9/11/20, 8:17:31 PM 
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More obfuscation. You do not even have the courage to state your views on what I asked you.

link FuzzyWuzzy Joined: May 31, 2005
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9/11/20, 8:22:15 PM 
Black on black crime is neither racism nor systemic. Further if blacks kill each other the perpetrators are caught and dealt with by the system.

The issue BLM is dealing with predominately is that the police can kill an unarmed black man and pay no price.

Btw racism is when one race can use its position of power to disadvantage the other.

Systemic is when everything is rigged against you because of your race.

No protest movement can remain peaceful in the face of severe provocation.

Lastly the oppressor does not give up power without a fight.

link NineMiles Joined: Apr 22, 2007
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9/12/20, 4:51:43 AM 
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And that is the crux of the matter. Very well said Fuzzy!

link Da-Vincy Joined: Sep 17, 2009
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9/12/20, 7:54:28 AM 
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Very well stated

link Wally-1 Joined: Jan 7, 2003
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9/12/20, 9:07:31 AM 
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Your post is most unfortunate.


There still exist the house kind brother, you cant change that.

link Wally-1 Joined: Jan 7, 2003
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9/12/20, 9:10:18 AM 
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Well said Fuzzy, and what BLM means is that all lives matter.

link birdseye Joined: Mar 23, 2004
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9/12/20, 10:13:56 AM 
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Whenever someone make comments like you I am reminded of the following United States Holocaust Memorial Museum quotes
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

link birdseye Joined: Mar 23, 2004
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9/12/20, 10:24:43 AM 
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The irony about that fuzzy is that according to FBI statics - white people kills more white people in the US each year than black people kill black people ---- but that is not played up, pilloried and denounce as white on white crime --- wonder why, maybe InHindsight
have the answer

link Dukes Joined: Dec 5, 2002
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9/12/20, 11:12:16 AM 
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Some of us think that our Ivy League education or our comfortable middle or even upper class upbringing would protect us from racist cops so that whenSH1T happens to us we are outraged and surprised.

BUT I AM A COLLEGE PROFESSOR,I SHOULD NOT BE RACIALLY PROFILED.

I DID NOT SEE A COLLEGE PROFESSOR THE ONLY THING ,I SAW WAS A NI^^#%

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