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Pooran must prove himself, says Ambrose
sgtdjones
2020-10-28 02:29:03
Pooran must prove himself, says Ambrose
West Indies legend Sir Curtly Ambrose says that Trinidadian Nicholas Pooran has to prove himself before he is selected to play Test cricket for the West Indies.The 57-year-old Ambrose who took 404 Test wickets for the West Indies said: "There is no doubt that Pooran is a special talent and has done well in T20 cricket. However, there is a process in place and he has to go through that process before he is selected to play Test cricket.
"Let him play First Class cricket and show us how good he is in the longer format before he is included in the Test team. He has done really well in T20 cricket but he needs to prove that he can get success in the longer format of the game."
Pooran has been selected for the West Indies team's tour of New Zealand and will take part in the three T20 matches which begins on November 28. He will also feature with the West Indies 'A' team in two four-day First Class matches as well. This will give him an opportunity to show what he can do in the longer format of the game.
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dayne
2020-10-28 11:05:46
In reply to sgtdjones
The WI batting is so below Test match standards most of the time that taking a chance on Pooran is worth the try.
Emir
2020-10-28 11:32:57
In reply to dayne
What Ambrose doesn't realize is this:
"Let him play First Class cricket and show us how good he is in the longer format before he is included in the Test team.
Pooran doesn't need test cricket to propel his career, his career is assured, it is WI test cricket that needs Pooran.
The problem with many former great test players from Antigua, and I don't know why, is they seems to have the most absurd way of thinking outside of the cricket field.
Richie once said WI should be sold to Sanford
Ambrose once said, he wants no part- not even watching the team play
Roberts, well he says things only he knows why he say it.
That other individual, if he was only 5% as good in management or policy making as he was with the bat, we would run and take it.
anthonyp
2020-10-28 12:14:14
If I had to choose between Campbell, Kraigg and unproven Pooran.. I'll choose Pooran.
Pooran is one of the best batsman in the region and work ethics is better than most in the region. Our batting suck,yet we making styles on a talent like Pooran.
StumpCam
2020-10-28 12:14:53
I agree with Ambrose, one of the greatest fast bowlers in the history of the game!
A lot of questions will be ask if Pooran by the opposition!
Can he survive 4 slips, a gully, silly point and forward short leg, none of which is present in T20!
Can he consolidate a test innings ?
Does he have the patience when runs are not coming quickly?
Test cricket is more than 6s and 4s!
We don’t even know where he can bat in the line up, 4,5 or 6! Is that the kind of risk a test team should undertake??
dayne
2020-10-28 12:41:39
In reply to StumpCam
Well at the moment the Selectors are persisting with Campbell and it is proven that he is not ready to represent the WI in any format of International cricket, so Ambrose arguments is weak. Pooran's talent is obvious, it is time the WI Selectors start thinking progressively
granite
2020-10-28 14:10:19
I remember seeing him at 17 playing in two 4 day matches, and you had to be blind or stupid not to know that he was special.Our cricket selectors have shown that they are capable of thinking,even "outside the box", because we have thrown some into test cricket without playing 4 day cricket.Why make it a special case for Pooran when we have so many failurs in our region,isn't it worth giving Pooran a run,if he fails then do the same shit you did to Barath,fling him rass out.
pooranian
2020-10-28 14:23:29
Amby has a point...Stalwarts like Hussey and Bevan havent done well in tests..But given the position WI cricket is in...It is very much worth a try than trying out lashers like Campbell..Fletcher..Pooran is a thorough batsman with a mature head..
pooranian
2020-10-28 14:25:38
What was I thinking...Hussey was pretty good..
Tests 79 137 16 6235 195 51.52 12436 50.13
natty_forever
2020-10-28 15:23:09
In reply to dayne
You plan on opening with Poo?
natty_forever
2020-10-28 15:23:55
In reply to pooranian
Then what bad could a few First Class matches do?
Star
2020-10-28 16:41:35
In reply to sgtdjones
there is a process in place and he has to go through that process before he is selected to play Test cricket.
Nicholas Pooran doesn't have to prove anything when it comes to his cricketing ability. Right now the WI test team needs a Nicholas Pooran, not the other way around.
One must learn to use common sense when dealing with certain issues instead of sticking to rigid policies when all it does is to defeat the purpose of making your team better.
Going by Sir Curtley's utterings, Fidel Edwards would never have been selected for the WI test team.
Once again, use some common sense at times Sir.
openning
2020-10-28 16:51:40
In reply to Emir
Pooran doesn't need test cricket to propel his career, his career is assured, it is WI test cricket that needs Pooran.
Pooran is already part of the CWI T20 team, it is up to him if he want to prepare test cricket
StumpCam
2020-10-28 17:00:04
In reply to Star
Going by Sir Curtley's utterings, Fidel Edwards would never have been selected for the WI test team.
So, you think it is the same for a batsman as it is for fast bowler with express pace!
openning
2020-10-28 17:39:19
In reply to Star
Ambrose and Walsh spoke about Fidel, Rose, Tino, Taylor and a few others, a number of weeks ago.
granite
2020-10-28 17:43:33
In reply to StumpCam
Express pace eh,what did his express pace do against our dung heap batsmen,wasn't he just a net bowler.I think it is just as good an idea to pick a batsman who has shown qualities that befits a longer version cricketer, just as it is to pick a net bowler to play tests.
StumpCam
2020-10-28 17:49:27
In reply to granite
You don’t know what you’re talking about!
First of all, a fast bowler only has to run and bowl to a batsman!
A batsman on the other hand has to face 11 fielders, 2 standing umpires and a 3rd umpire!
They are two contrasting skills!
openning
2020-10-28 18:06:58
In reply to granite
As a Bajan, I was against the selection of Fidel Edwards, Lara friendly picked, a better bowler was not given the nod, because of him.
This was written about, on this MB in real time.
Star
2020-10-28 18:14:36
In reply to granite
I think it is just as good an idea to pick a batsman who has shown qualities that befits a longer version cricketer, just as it is to pick a net bowler to play tests.
When rational thought, logic, and common sense are used in a discussion, a response such as the above stands out. I could not agree with you more.
In response to the above intelligent statement, a poster with the moniker 'StumpCam" replies with the stupid non-sensical statement:
You don’t know what you’re talking about!
First of all, a fast bowler only has to run and bowl to a batsman!
A batsman on the other hand has to face 11 fielders, 2 standing umpires and a 3rd umpire!
Utter nonsense from this poster.
It is a waste of time engaging posters with such limited intellect such as "StumpCam".
pooranian
2020-10-28 19:07:05
In reply to natty_forever
Waste of time.Time is ripe for rushing him in
b4u8me2
2020-10-29 12:33:24
Based on Ambrose analysis Sayles shud be no where near the test squad then. Why not pick Pooran as a reserve as well and invest in his development as a test cricketer just like they have done for Sayles. Pooran is obviously one of our precious talents. He makes runs in T20 and ODI by batting as a pure batsman. He doesn't slog. Making runs in our local 4day competition does not mean he will be successful at test level. Devon Smith is a prime example of that. Equally, you have some players doing better at test level than they do at local level. Pooran could not do any worse than Hope has done over the last two years. Why have this strict rule for Pooran instead of seeing how he goes. It's not like he would be robbing any deserving player of a place in the WI top six.
velo
2020-10-29 13:05:24
In reply to sgtdjonesambrose is a smart man unfortunately others aren't so smart
velo
2020-10-29 13:14:27
In reply to Star
then what are you arguing bout if he does not need test cricket it will go on with or with out him and fidel edwards is not the same thing i know for sure edwards played a full season of fc cricket before been selected let pooran do that
rillo
2020-10-30 13:25:07
In reply to StumpCam
Patience? How many times have a full WI team been bowled out for around 50 overs and lost in 3 days which is becoming the norm for this CWI squad?
Pooran would fit real nicely in at no5. By then your 4 slips and 2 gullies would have been dispersed so your assumption is flawed.
natty_forever
2020-10-30 13:30:28
In reply to pooranian
Well there will be first class matches on tour, can start there.
StumpCam
2020-10-30 13:57:14
In reply to rillo
I did not make assumptions, I posed questions that any chief selector and coach would ask of his charges! 
natty_forever
2020-10-30 16:29:03
In reply to pooranian
Who would you drop?
KB
JC
DB
JB
Chase
Dowrich
Holder
Roach
Cornwall
Joseph
Angel
imusic
2020-10-30 16:54:22
In reply to natty_forever
Not a single one of them is a better batsman than Pooran.
StumpCam
2020-10-30 17:00:45
In reply to natty_forever
So, DB leapfrog Hetmyer???
googley
2020-10-30 17:03:17
In reply to imusic
agree 100%
ponderiver
2020-10-30 17:07:18
In reply to imusic
Not a single one of them is a better batsman than Pooran.
I agree 100%.
If Poooran was from Bim he would have been captain already
Baje
2020-10-30 17:11:19
In reply to rillo
What do you mean by the norm? Give data
StumpCam
2020-10-30 17:13:15
In reply to googley
Brooks is WI best test batsman!
Pooran will have to show me what he can do in test before I label him better than everyone else!
googley
2020-10-30 17:16:25
In reply to StumpCam
Pooran will have to show me what he can do in test
how is that going to happen is he is not picked to play test?
StumpCam
2020-10-30 17:26:04
In reply to googley
I’m only a message board selector!
natty_forever
2020-10-31 09:20:14
In reply to imusic
Did I ask that?
natty_forever
2020-10-31 09:26:26
In reply to StumpCam
I denote ??? as a rhetorical question.
37plus vs 27plus
natty_forever
2020-10-31 09:31:32
In reply to imusic
Did I ask that?
BeatDball
2020-10-31 18:50:30
WI needs Nick...give de boi a chance at Test...what have WI to lose!
Bump a baje...nobloody gwine cry. Fool stop.
imusic
2020-10-31 23:56:14
In reply to BeatDball
Why you callin Fuzzy a nobloody? 
openning
2020-11-01 00:10:06
In reply to imusic
Would Usain Bolt run in a format that he did not trained for?
He is a runner thats what he does for a living.
tc1
2020-11-01 00:25:35
In reply to ponderiver
Accordingly to ICC , the captain from Bim is the top allrounder in the game, so Pooran would be in good company
Verstehen
2020-11-01 05:46:13
As I said in another thread Pooran is the most exciting WI batting prospect I've seen since Lara/ Chanderpaul were playing (I'm not saying he was a more exciting prospect than them, but using them to date back to a time). Can't recall another.
What I've seen the lad is a very very good bat, astonishing fielder and (very important) confident.
In my book he walks into the Indian T-20 team..
The Indian ODI team too he'd do well(I'd take him over many batsmen we have).
Selection to the Indian Test team would be more iffy at this stage, but he IMO would be given a go soonish.
The West Indies? He should be tried in all three formats right now.
openning
2020-11-01 14:15:49
In reply to Verstehen
Allyuh should stop pretending to be god.
We have not seen Pooran in a longer format since 2013, my advise to CWI selectors, pick players from format their excellence at, dont gamble.
Scar
2020-11-02 00:32:11
What does CWI have to lose giving Pooran a go a Tests? The guys they are playing due to 4 day stamina and less skill are not lasting half an hour at the crease so what does the 4 day experience show so far? Let them keep saying Pooran must play a full year of FC before getting a chance and before we know it Pooran will be 28 going on 30 years of age and only 3 or 4 years left to offer for Tests.
They have been making this excuse for 2 years now -guess what? Pooran is now 25 and in 2 months will be into his 26th year. Keep putting g it off CWI. He's getting younger each season.
