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In reply to culpepperboy

Lock her up!!

Ayenmol soon come and defend the woman's rights.

In reply to culpepperboy

All you want to stop the British Queen from leaving Barbados? What else is new?

Hahahahahahaha! I say all you should pull down Nelson statue and put this gal in he place!!!

In reply to Norm

Nelson gone already.

In reply to culpepperboy

Good. Put this British Queen right there before Nelson come back!

In reply to culpepperboy

In reply to culpepperboy
Is this offence the same as the Jamaican who went to get a Pop and sweets, or bigger?
She knew what she was doing

In reply to openning

Different offence. Yardie man went for a fanta. De Queen went for champagne.

In reply to Drapsey

So I saw your post....went back to read the article and saw this...

I was ready to agree that at the least, you can wait till the results are ready....that is a very reasonable request compared to getting a negative result and still insist someone has to quarantine for 14 days.

Then I saw this:

Did she leave the Hotel to break protocol? Or did she simply decide to return home?

Yes I realize leaving the Hotel to go to the Airport is leaving the Hotel...but if she is trying to LEAVE THE COUNTRY....Then why are you stopping her?

Is it not the same process of entering the country as leaving?

So you are permitted to enter....that's not risky....but not to leave?

Am I the only person on here with a brain?

There is nothing else to indicate she endangered people outside of retracing her steps and choosing not to stay on the Island....how is that an issue?

The fact that she decided to go without permission indicates they were unwilling to allow her to leave....why?

Also....when they visited 2 days later....did they have the results?

Was she positive?

If she was leaving after two days....could it be that there was an agreement in place that they would have the results by a particular time....they did not so she chose to go back to wherever?

Questions.

In reply to Ayenmol

It is difficult not to be sarcastic when you ask these kind of questions despite having plenty of time to think it through.

Whoaaaaaa.....bite your tongue, mollie, bite your tongue.

Ignore the MORON who says you should not ask questions.

In reply to nick2020

All you have some great lawyers in Barbados, even if overfed, to try to do some damage control. I can see the headlines in the British tabloids already:

"Barbados Stops Brit Trying To Leave",

"Brit Held Illegally in Barbados",

etc.

Really great for attracting tourists!

In reply to Ayenmol

In your world it is fine to break quarantine as long as your purpose is to retrace your steps and leave the country?

In reply to Headley

Really....that's what you get from that?

Is the purpose of the law to force people to quarantine?

Or to protect the Island and it's people from being infected?

Or is it that people like you realize that this quarantine is a manner of forcing people to spend money on your Island while acting like you care about a virus?

How can you allow someone in....but not out?

If you can protect someone from the airport to the Hotel....why can't you protect them from the Hotel to the Airport?

Why are you treating visitors like criminals?

Why are you forcing people to quarantine who want to leave?

Unless this article is incomplete and am missing something.... but this is what the poster used.

In reply to culpepperboy

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Obviously an exciting and adventurous girl. I say go easy on her.

In reply to Ayenmol

And what about the people who work at the Hotel?

Clean the rooms....deliver the food...are they in quarantine?

Or do they take steps to protect themselves.....

So if they can work yet protect themselves....why can't the people in quarantine who most likely DONT have the virus, forced to stay at a Hotel interminably?

It is a self serving short sighted stance that is applied with wanton abandon to hide the hypocrisy.

Is it ok to drive down a one-way road as long as you don't hit another car?

In reply to Ayenmol

Would you drink water that was most likely not contaminated?

In reply to culpepperboy

Thank you.....definitely right in that case....simple as that....very reasonable.

You can't allow them on a plane in that case.

In reply to culpepperboy

Do you test every glass of water before drinking?

If you knew that the water MAY be contaminated but you would die if you waited till you were sure....what would you do......is the more accurate analogy.

In reply to Ayenmol

I would test it if I was told that it was most likely not contaminated.

In reply to Ayenmol

By you asking a really stupid question.

In reply to culpepperboy

Most water are most likely not contaminated unless it came from a source that is known for it!s contamination....What percentage of the World's population is contaminated?

How many of these visitors have tested positive?

Or transmitted the disease while having tested negative....my point is not to allow people to spread the desease....bit to find a happy medium that works for both parties.

Not be rigid and treat visitors like criminals when they pose no threat....prosecuting non positive people is ludicrous over small issues.

No one else is doing that.

While you send the water to be tested you do not blow up the cistern.

In reply to Ayenmol

You do know that these visitors sign a legal document agreeing to the quarantine?

They have a choice in the matter. Abide by the law or be faced with the penalties.

Interestingly the MAJORITY (over 80%) of tourists who have tested positive have done so on their 2nd test.

You may have forgotten, but most Caribbean islands are very small. It only takes 1 infected person to slip through the cracks and the whole population could be affected. The consequences are being felt in Barbados right now with 211 cases in 2 days.

In reply to Headley

Hmmm. Looks like the queen might be real trouble then.

In reply to Norm

Nah she might be safe. The Yardie who went to buy the Fanta didn't have enough money to pay the fine, but Sudden fighting to get him released.

In reply to culpepperboy

First....I already said the action is fine based on the new info you posted.....what are you still on about?

Second....you keep making analogies that are diametrically opposed to the question at hand....

If you put me in a straight jacket, you better leave a poop hatch....

In reply to Ayenmol

The 1 way road analogy was posted before your response. Check the time of the post man!!

In reply to culpepperboy

Even so....it shows you do not understand the reason for my questions....

Thus 2 still stands.

In reply to culpepperboy

I understand the portion on the second test.....am not sure why that is the case....maybe it has to do with how soon after catching the virus they are tested initially....meaning they may be getting the virus at the airport plane or just prior.

But the quoted portion is your effort to excuse not addressing my point.

I.E....there have been many contamination in many Islands....none have resulted in all inhabitants infected.

In reply to Ayenmol

Ok. Since you want to go on, my analogy was made with reference to this statement:

The law is the law. It is not a small issue when lives are at risk.

In reply to Ayenmol

I said "affected" not "infected".

In reply to culpepperboy

I agree....but the reason you prosecute the person who goes down the one way street is that undoubtedly there is another street going the way they want to that they refuse to take....thus they have an option and willfully is breaking the law for the sake of it.

Someone wanting to leave....or being told they have to quarantine after testing negative are not necessarily opting to willfully do anything.

Btw...the penalty for going down a one-way street is not prison....or the same as actually causing an accident....in fact am certain most people who go down a one way street are simply given a warning.....unless they actually have an accident!

The hospital resources: (Ventilators, ICUs etc) on most islands is extremely limited. Additionally may suffer from NCDs which are high risk factors for the severest effects of COVID19.

A spike in cases would definitely result in a crisis in the availability of patient care, not only for those with COVID but those who require hospital care otherwise.

In reply to Ayenmol

It think that this is the point that you are missing. These people are trying to leave BEFORE the results of their 2nd test are back.

In reply to culpepperboy

Which people are attempting to leave before the second test?

Are you saying there are laws stating once visitors set foot on the Island they cannot leave until tested and verified healthy?

In reply to Ayenmol

Yes

In reply to culpepperboy

Why?

And if that is the case then they are forced to sign whatever you are claiming they signed....no?

In reply to culpepperboy

My condolence to that yardie.

In reply to culpepperboy

Quarantine is an institution to prevent or reduce the spread of infection. When people decide on their own to leave quarantine they leave a controlled environment and put people at risk in an uncontrolled environment.

Does that really need to be explained to a know it all?

See all of the regulations here.

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Note that visitors(from high and medium risk countries) have to agree to getting a 2nd test or they will be denied entry.
So yes, they have a choice.

Someone please tell the above moron that the question is not whether the quarantine is a good idea or not or whether penalty for breaking quarantine is appropriate but the manner in which the penalty is administered and how far the quarantine goes beyond sensibleness.

Such as letting people in but not letting them out....why are the Islands Policing other Countries citizens in LEAVING....until that person has reached the point where it is known they are infected? Would it not be appropriate to let someone go back to where they came from and quarantine there....since they just left there? Let that Country deal with their Citizen quarantine at their home where they just left?

In reply to Ayenmol



You questioned why she can't leave the same way she came.

It will be quite a spectacle to see you wiggle out of that.

In reply to nick2020

Yes....I questioned that....tell me....is there a greater risk leaving than entering?

In reply to Ayenmol

Let me help you out.

If you asked why a country cannot provide an avenue where someone can be afforded a quarantined way out of the country then that would be sensible.

Put them in a hazmat suit and return to sender kind of thing.

But you accepted they took it upon themselves. And you thought that should be fine.

In reply to Ayenmol

There is a risk allowing people to take it on themselves to leave the country as they please without knowing if they are infectious

In reply to nick2020

Why would you put them in a hazmat suit to leave...did they enter in a hazmat suit?

In reply to Ayenmol

You obviously are not trying to understand what has happened.
You have your opinion and you are entitled it, but an opinion is not necessarily a fact.

In reply to nick2020

Did I question them leaving or why they were not permitted to leave?


You are so quick to come challenge me you are not taking a second to contemplate what my position is.

Asking a question is not taking a position...it's asking for information.

Ok, guy?

In reply to culpepperboy

So once they agree to enter they can't change their mind?

So they are ok with sending them back and take the risk in transporting them to the hotel.

But they will spontaneous infect all and sundry if they spend a couple days but decide it's not worth it?

I'm not sure who the above moron is, however some people insult those who disagree with them by questioning character or motives instead of focusing on the facts.

In reply to culpepperboy

Not you....I like the discussion. I have no reason to disrespect you.

In reply to Ayenmol

Yes. They can change their mind, after they have fulfilled the terms of the agreement that they have signed.


Who is "they"? Please rephrase the question.



Please rephrase the question or is it a statement.

In reply to culpepperboy

Um....do I need to take back what I said above?

I already conceded that the action was valid...in fact I asked well before whether they had the results....so how can you claim the above.....I literally used the info you updated to agree...

Yet you stuck on that and have not moved on to the bigger issue am raising


Is like you all cant ever look at the bigger picture.

In reply to culpepperboy

They...are visitors.....the visitors that are being allowed in but then seemed to be forced to sign something then are seemingly not allowed to leave.....

Weren't you the same guy who brought up Hawaii in the Cayman post?

In reply to Star

Where did I disagree with that?
Where in the post I responded to was any of the info on the positive test provided?

In reply to Ayenmol

Again you are missing the point. The visitors AGREE to come. ALL of the restrictions and protocols are communicated to them, and they agree to abide by them BEFORE entry.

What is so hard to understand about this?

In reply to culpepperboy
Does Ayenmol aware a young med student from the states, was sentence to 4 months in the Caymans, for breaking protocol?
You enter the Island, you have to go through the protocol by isolating.
You cannot mix with the public.
She getting into a cab, is breaking the protocol.
My niece and her husband returned home in November, they both isolated in their own home, by them selves for 14 days.
They test that was received in Canada expired a few hours before arrival, they were test a few times, during the isolation.

Even with that said....unless the Airline objects or the person's country....why would it be unreasonable if the infected person wants to return home?

Unless that person is showing symptoms?

Are they more dangerous after the diagnosis?

These are real questions....and the reason they are having issues are that these real questions are not being sufficiently handled.

You think it is not because money is involved?

In reply to Ayenmol

I read the above, and could only shake my head.
How many people will he/she be in contact with, getting to the airport?

In reply to culpepperboy

Does openning know that we are talking about Tourist?

Not people returning home?

In fact is that not the point?

That people are more inclined to quarantine when returning home....than to do so when going on vacation?

If you allowing them to come ....allow them to leave....if you can transport them safely from the Airport to the quarantine spot.....then you can transfer them safely from the quarantine spot to the Airport.

In reply to Ayenmol

People positive for covid going home on a plane by themselves?

In reply to Ayenmol

Please think for a second. The issue is not about this woman returning home, the issue is about this woman breaking the law.

It is as simple as that. I think you are just fooling around so I better leave it there.

In reply to Norm

She went to court with her attorney. Chances are she will pay a fine and avoid prison.

The Yardie who got six months had three strikes against him.

1. Poor
2. Black/Regional
3. Yardie

I hope you took the time to look at the link and the evidence I posted.

In reply to Gun_Play

Um....did they come to the Island positive by themselves?
Does someone having covid mean automatically everyone around them will get it?

Do you have numbers showing that all people on an airplane get covid as a result of 1 traveler?

In reply to Headley

Yep. First thing I did!

Po' Yardie.

If it was a Muddie, dem would double the fine AND the jail time!!!

If it was a Trini, dem would ha' juss shoot 'e rass!!!

The oral queen in hot water ...

In reply to Gun_Play
He is showing the ignorance of some Americans.
The laws of a country has nothing to do with the minds of some Yankees.
I hope she get the maximum fine.

In reply to Star

You do understand that am challenging the law right?

The law is meant to protect the Islands/s.

You all are more interested in punitive than the reason for the law.

There are people in Hospitals with PPE who contract covid.

So if you care about the Island, you should be happy to get them OUT.

Sending people home who want to go home should be not only supported but encouraged....these laws are not working....and as this thing drags on and mutates further better laws and ways of dealing with it will need to be adopted....

Having covid is not a crime....either stop tourist from coming in ..... or make better laws that take their own humanity into consideration.

You people here arguing for laws.....since when?....you all don't share that opinion on other laws.....when Americans show little Humanity for those breaking border laws you go crazy.....but all of a sudden the shoe on the other foot all you all for law and punishment.

In reply to Ayenmol

If you want to challenge a country's law, do it in person, dont do it on a keyboard, thats not a challenge.

In reply to openning

Or you could understand that this is a Global issue and should not be used as a gotcha situation to hurt people who have the same concerns as you.

Funny you all get all hot and bothered over illegal Aliens being sent back or put in detention for long periods of time.....even though they are guilty.

But here you are wanting punitive action for people who are themselves at a disadvantage.

Even more funny....illegal aliens take.

These tourist are giving.

But you all won't ever get it.

In reply to Ayenmol
you live in your own world, with limited knowledge
I do not have to land at an airport in the USA to be on American soil, it is done at every international airport here in Canada, with an American office.
I have experience going intrinsic to Barbados, changing planes in New York, and not filling out Usa forms, even though I was leaving the airport.
I was interrogated for a number of hours, thankfully, I was able to get on my flight.
This was 1979
Earlier that year coming back from our honeymoon cruise, we saw how people where treated, getting back into the USA with not all of their documents.
Every country/Island has policies.

In reply to openning

I would think less people than they were in contact with getting to the airport in the prior Country and less than those they encountered on the way to the quarantine hotel.

If that is you have a contingency plan in place to send home those not willing to Quarantine.

Here's the thing that you all need to think about.....

The people who put the Island in danger, and who these laws are meant to stop, are themselves victims and are sick and needing help....they are scared, they are unsure.

Those who are not sick are not a threat....although you are forced to treat them as such while unsure.

This is a sickness. And the people who have it are no less people than those you are trying to protect.

In reply to Ayenmol
Man try going back to what ever Island you are from, and do what you feel like doing.
All your writing dont meet any protocol, thats all I am interested in.

From my little knowledge of the protocol in Barbados, I was able to explained to someone, why his aunt could not get off a plane, and isolate with her daughter.

In reply to openning

No idea what you just said or it's bearing on what am saying.....outside of the fact that the person you spoke to did not understand Barbados protocol.


Of course am not sure if that person was in Barbados, or the person on that plane planned to not get off.....so.

In reply to Ayenmol


That person was going to Barbados, like she have done for many years, and did not understood the protocol.
The woman I am referencing has a home in Bim, where her daughter lives, since someone is living there, she had to Isolate either in a government paid isolated place, or a pay for places that are deem to be Isolation hotels.
She did the latter, went thru all the testing, Isolate and is among the public.
Trinidadian had to isolate in Barbados, than on returning to Trinidad had to isolate again before mixing with the population.
Everyone entering New Zealand and Australia must Isolate for 14 days.
Why not follow the country's protocol, why should this be discussed, it shows arrogance.

In reply to openning

Ok....so what does that have to do with anything i said...other than damage the other argument....someone who travels there and has family there was still not aware of the protocol....the same protocol they claim is so clear.


Am guessing these people were never annoyed? And they could not wait to go out and see the Island for the first time.
Please be sure you understand the discussion before jumping in.

In reply to AyenmolDude I live in Canada, my best friend who is from Morgan City Louisiana , returned last May from his usual Christmas with his son, he and his wife had to Isolate for 14 days.
He keep bugging me of getting tested, they have both on their third testing, and want to be in line for the vaccine.
So we here in Alberta, knows about the 14 days Isolation.
The person I reference previously, assumed she could had gone to her home, with someone there and Isolate.

In reply to openning

Am sorry dude.... I think you are the one who aint getting it...you are claiming you knew, great... then saying someone who is from there and has family there did not know....but are choosing to use your example as the bench mark for tourist and not the other person's?

In reply to Ayenmol
I will end by saying this.
I will go on vacation, knowing my first 14 days is for isolation.
On returning to Alberta, I am aware the Alberta 14 days protocol.
I will not be that stupid as to go grocery shopping

In reply to openning

The road to hell and all that.

Dude, just because you can does not mean that everyone can.

How many people in this World can go on a month plus vacation of imprisonment?

Yes it is on the traveler....but the Island they are visiting should be the last place they are made to feel are marginalising them...

And I actually think Barbados is one of the better ones....safe for the not allowing people to leave or at least make it easy for them to do so....no one should be forced to quarantine 14 days if they decide to leave the Island instead.

At any point you should be able able to escort that person to the Airport and put them on a plane safely.

The decision on whether they can fly should be the Airline's.

In reply to openning

Get a wuk as an Alberta conservative government minister. Yuh could travel for vacation with no consequence.

In reply to imusic
Bro, I've been cussing the conservatives for years.
A remained mute many days at staff meeting, where it was about the Alberta Government.
My ex and I, have been cussing these people for years, she being from Van,have to be reminded the I never voted for a conservative.
Peter Lougheed was the only only one I respected
Jason is a real idiot.

In reply to Ayenmol
Dude, stay at home if you dont respect the protocol of a country.
I have plenty masks, do social distancing, and wash my hands, more than I've ever done.
My son was coming home this Christmas, we were going to visit the graves of his parents and grand-dad, he could not because of the policy of the Alberta government.
I leave home because I have to.

In reply to openning

I am staying home....I do respect the protocol of countries.

I hope you respect the decision of prospective travelers too when they exercise their right to spend their money elsewhere.

In reply to Ayenmol

Dude, I spend my money, why should I think of another person spending?
Even when I go to Barbados, I show my respect to the Island, the same way I show it to every country I visit.
I get on my knees, every time I land at the airport, and pray for the growth, people and leadership of the Island, but I have so much respect for Barbados, and the people, that I would not do anything stupid.
BTW, I worked in the hospitality business for decades, starting in Bim.
The most ignorance I've seen is from Americans, is my 3 months in St Johns VI, you seem to be in that group.

In reply to Ayenmol
I will share with you one experience with an Englishman.
I got a call one evening, about a guy with ripped jeans, needing a table, our four diamond restaurant, had a jacket policy.
Jeans was a no no, especially ripped jean, greeting the person, he was so polite, that listening to him, I had to get him a table.
My staff after setting a table in the far back of the room for him and two others, knew I did not know, they told me it was Sting, I never heard of him, in the next hours they were 25 people, he was having two concerts in Calgary.
That evening Sting and his group spent close to $30000 dollars, on leaving he asked for me and thank me.
I would not say how much I received that evening

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The policy of the Owl's Nest Changed after that, along with the business dress code on Friday in the Province.

only a small fine??

In reply to openning

Um....great share....that proves my point....when you are in the Service Industry your goal is to accommodate people.

Yes in this pandemic climate, safety comes first.....but punity is not safety.

In reply to VIX

Former British model Zara Holland was fined $12 000 in seven days or nine months for breaching quarantine.

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Commendable and principled effort by Bim to enforce their quarantine, I must say.